Air Asia laughing at SIA for recruiting loads of FTrashs...

[Windsor]

dude ...AA will never overtake japan local domestic market ...you are not japanese and dont know how japanese consumers feel ...japanese is not like singaporean or the rest of the world ...everything also want cheap ...they want good service and they are willing to pay for it ..by the way , its not easy to go into japan market , they have their own loyal customers . japanese only trust their own ppl when comes to services . im doing business in japan for nearly 10 years ..i know that . even o chang kee curry puff try to hit into japan market but fail . in order to do buisness with the japanese you have to think like them ...price is not everything to the japanese .

ps: if my wife and staffs are not japanese ...my business would not survived until now .

I did not want to start another argument with this guy because he tends to pluck some other irrelevant details and put that to support his response. For example, AA has got Japan, Thailand and Philippines as their hub. I did not check but I believe it is not entirely true as I know hubs are not allowed for foreign airlines. I will not delve into details here but the agreement to operate a hub is usually given to a local company, which means not AA but their Philippine partnership company, and likewise Japan too.

I don't know about Old Chang Kee, but they should enter the market run by their Japanese franchisee. If not, they surely will not be successful.

 

[Varuna]

You in heavy tech

I was about to ask Varuna myself

Not heavy tech but used to know people who were doing that job. Like Windsor, lost touch with it for quite sometime myself also.

 

[eatshitndie]

many of the good and capable folks in sia have retired and left the country. only morons and yesmen (yeswomen included) are left.

 

[drifter]

I did not want to start another argument with this guy because he tends to pluck some other irrelevant details and put that to support his response. For example, AA has got Japan, Thailand and Philippines as their hub. I did not check but I believe it is not entirely true as I know hubs are not allowed for foreign airlines. I will not delve into details here but the agreement to operate a hub is usually given to a local company, which means not AA but their Philippine partnership company, and likewise Japan too.

I don't know about Old Chang Kee, but they should enter the market run by their Japanese franchisee. If not, they surely will not be successful.

bro...haneda airport just launch ( last year 2010 oct ) new direct services to cities including London, Paris, New York, Los Angeles, Honolulu, Vancouver, Beijing, Shanghai, Singapore and Bangkok.Haneda will also provide slots for more low-cost carriers as it aims to muscle into the dominant role of Narita, which has been the country's main gateway since it opened in 70s . haneda also flies about 40 domestic routes, it will allow Japanese holiday-makers to more easily transfer to new international flights to take weekend trips to popular destinations such as Hawaii .

old chang kee should also study japanese culture before trying to hit into japan market ..for example , japanese do not walk and eat at the same time ..unless you are talking about tourist spot like the asakusa street or food street ..and they also forget that during winter time curry puff will become cold in less then 5mins ...cold curry puff taste like shit ...

ps : old chang kee are greedy ....they want the whole pie instead of sharing with the local ppl

 

[Windsor]

bro...haneda airport just launch ( last year 2010 oct ) new direct services to cities including London, Paris, New York, Los Angeles, Honolulu, Vancouver, Beijing, Shanghai, Singapore and Bangkok.Haneda will also provide slots for more low-cost carriers as it aims to muscle into the dominant role of Narita, which has been the country's main gateway since it opened in 70s . haneda also flies about 40 domestic routes, it will allow Japanese holiday-makers to more easily transfer to new international flights to take weekend trips to popular destinations such as Hawaii .

old chang kee should also study japanese culture before trying to hit into japan market ..for example , japanese do not walk and eat at the same time ..unless you are talking about tourist spot like the asakusa street or food street ..and they also forget that during winter time curry puff will become cold in less then 5mins ...cold curry puff taste like shit ...

ps : old chang kee are greedy ....they want the whole pie instead of sharing with the local ppl

Same thinking like the government
Old Chang Kee, operated like Chinese companies, hard to change old people's way of thinking like our Old Man "waiting for last leaf to fall."

 

[drifter]

Same thinking like the government
Old Chang Kee, operated like Chinese companies, hard to change old people's way of thinking like our Old Man "waiting for last leaf to fall."

old man tactics can only works in singapore ....he have not learn how to swim in the ocean.. only in backyard pond .

 

[Windsor]

old man tactics can only works in singapore ....he have not learn how to swim in the ocean.. only in backyard pond .

Like this thread, Singapore companies with scholars also cannot be successful. It takes entrepreneurial skills to know how to succeed.

 

[drifter]

Like this thread, Singapore companies with scholars also cannot be successful. It takes entrepreneurial skills to know how to succeed.

bro ..one need

1) connection
2) risk taker
3) hunger
4) luck
5) focus
6) timming
7) pr skills
8) street smart
9) honesty
10) never say die

to become successful overseas ..which singapore scholars are lack of ..

 

[Windsor]

bro ..one need

1) connection
2) risk taker
3) hunger
4) luck
5) focus
6) timming
7) pr skills
8) street smart
9) honesty
10) never say die

to become successful overseas ..which singapore scholars are lack of ..

You are right bro. That is why AA can succeed if run by Fernandez and not by some top Malay supported by UMNO. See what happened to MAS supported by Mahathir? They cheated the airline and it bled until now hard to recover. Similarly, look at SIA's ventures and ST Tecnologies other ventures, they think they know better. When China took over Hong Kong, they were wise not to interfere too much and allow Hong Kong to do business as usual. Many Hongkongers, who left Hong Kong to Singapore, for fear of the Chinese government, returned back to Honk Kong. Paul Yu, President of SASCO resigned and went back to HAECO and is still the Executive GM there.

 

[scroobal]

Some how I get the impression many of us realise at least on hindsight that Tony Fernandez is an exceptional entrepreneur. Even if he did not operate in Malaysia, he would have succeeded and it may not even be in the Airline Industry. He has repeatedly overcome structural as well as funding obstacles. Those in the know do realise that he has followed Branson style as he did Branson accounts in Virgin Records.

I am aware that till this day the Singapore aviation authorities as well as Temasek have regretted not acting on his overtures for collaboration and access to Changi.

What is certain is that even if Tony Fernandez was a Singaporean, and had the exact same entrepreneurial spirit, he would not have received the aviation licence. The Singapore govt does not tolerate failure and no civil servant is prepared to make such a decision of granting a licence.

It does explain why those from HK returned to HK

 

[red amoeba]

Some how I get the impression many of us realise at least on hindsight that Tony Fernandez is an exceptional entrepreneur. Even if he did not operate in Malaysia, he would have succeeded and it may not even be in the Airline Industry. He has repeatedly overcome structural as well as funding obstacles. Those in the know do realise that he has followed Branson style as he did Branson accounts in Virgin Records.

I am aware that till this day the Singapore aviation authorities as well as Temasek have regretted not acting on his overtures for collaboration and access to Changi.

What is certain is that even if Tony Fernandez was a Singaporean, and had the exact same entrepreneurial spirit, he would not have received the aviation licence. The Singapore govt does not tolerate failure and no civil servant is prepared to make such a decision of granting a licence.

It does explain why those from HK returned to HK

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GLCs are suffocating any entrepreneur spirits...if NTUC even extend their hands to undertaker business...u know anything profitable, they want a share.

 

[red amoeba]

I did not want to start another argument with this guy because he tends to pluck some other irrelevant details and put that to support his response. For example, AA has got Japan, Thailand and Philippines as their hub. I did not check but I believe it is not entirely true as I know hubs are not allowed for foreign airlines. I will not delve into details here but the agreement to operate a hub is usually given to a local company, which means not AA but their Philippine partnership company, and likewise Japan too.

I don't know about Old Chang Kee, but they should enter the market run by their Japanese franchisee. If not, they surely will not be successful.

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the airline industry is still very protected. For this JV between ANA and AA - ANA will be the majority shareholder - to render it a "jap airline" owned either by Japanese individual or person. that the rule of the airline industry - which is unlike other industries, you can outright buy over a foreign entity and operate it in their home country. In airlines, nope.

Landing rights are negotiated on a country to country level - and then allocated by the country - and this is split to 1st, 2nd...5th landing rights. 5th landing rights is effectively open-sky, and you can form a hub to do whatever you like in their country. So, for example Singapore has open skies with US. Technically speaking, both countries can mount unlimited flights btw one and another - subject to landing capacity of the target airports (ha - a catch). But as we know, SIN-US direct flight is not profitable - which is why Singapore is eyeing the Aust-US route that we have crave so long. We can fly to Aussie land - which, if i am not wrong, encompass 1st, 2nd and 3rd landing rights. But Aussie stubbornly refuse to grant 4th and 5th landing right.

So, these JVs that AA formed with Thai / Japan - will be fronted by Thai company and Jap company respectively. The rule is, the JV entity must be majority owned by that country's national - e: Thai and Japanese respectively.

So in this case of ANA-AA tie-up, to the Japanese consumers - it will be a Jap company. Yes, Japan is a long time luxury conscious country - they are willing to pay the top price for top quality. In SIA's case, this used to be a cash cow - but no longer so, given the state of the economy. And i believe AA spotted this trend.

Why AA is so successful is that the founder is able to circumvent red-tapes and stuff. At that time where AA was created, Singapore was apprehensive - and not very sure whether to have their own budget airline or switch Silkair to become a budget airline. As always the case when we do things, we make case studies, we create project teams,...whereas others will simply forge ahead.

 

[red amoeba]

You are right bro. That is why AA can succeed if run by Fernandez and not by some top Malay supported by UMNO. See what happened to MAS supported by Mahathir? They cheated the airline and it bled until now hard to recover. Similarly, look at SIA's ventures and ST Tecnologies other ventures, they think they know better. When China took over Hong Kong, they were wise not to interfere too much and allow Hong Kong to do business as usual. Many Hongkongers, who left Hong Kong to Singapore, for fear of the Chinese government, returned back to Honk Kong. Paul Yu, President of SASCO resigned and went back to HAECO and is still the Executive GM there.

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in short - too much meddling by our government. the mentality of senior lee that we must be told what to do from above. we are little children who cannot be left alone lest we make a mess of things.

 

[Char_Azn]

==

in short - too much meddling by our government. the mentality of senior lee that we must be told what to do from above. we are little children who cannot be left alone lest we make a mess of things.

The only time I recall our government meddling in SIA matters is the Airline pilot strike. What other times have they stepped in to do anything. Even at the height of the SARS and financial crisis when many major airlines were closing down or making losses, SIA was still making money. I don't think they are doing too badly

 

[red amoeba]

The only time I recall our government meddling in SIA matters is the Airline strike. What other times have they stepped in to do anything. Even at the height of the SARS and financial crisis when many major airlines were closing down or making losses, SIA was still making money. I don't think they are doing too badly

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bro....those are just what you read in the papers ok?

just ask urself who is the largest shareholder of SIA?

 

[Char_Azn]

==

bro....those are just what you read in the papers ok?

just ask urself who is the largest shareholder of SIA?

Can show some examples of how the government is meddling in SIA coz I can't find any

LKY have always stated he is taking a hands off approach on SIA. To him, Changi Airport is more important then SIA. I'm pretty sure they have more then once meddle in Changi Airport matters but I can't find too much news on SIA. In which case, even if they did, SIA's brand name, Stature as an Airline and profits more then justify whatever they are doing. At the very least if anything, SIA can be consider our biggest worldwide brand

 

[Unrepented]

They just want to

1) cover backside
2) hope to last as long as possible to earn the next pay check

bro ..one need

1) connection
2) risk taker
3) hunger
4) luck
5) focus
6) timming
7) pr skills
8) street smart
9) honesty
10) never say die

to become successful overseas ..which singapore scholars are lack of ..

 

[tonychat]

Some how I get the impression many of us realise at least on hindsight that Tony Fernandez is an exceptional entrepreneur. Even if he did not operate in Malaysia, he would have succeeded and it may not even be in the Airline Industry. He has repeatedly overcome structural as well as funding obstacles. Those in the know do realise that he has followed Branson style as he did Branson accounts in Virgin Records.

I am aware that till this day the Singapore aviation authorities as well as Temasek have regretted not acting on his overtures for collaboration and access to Changi.

What is certain is that even if Tony Fernandez was a Singaporean, and had the exact same entrepreneurial spirit, he would not have received the aviation licence. The Singapore govt does not tolerate failure and no civil servant is prepared to make such a decision of granting a licence.

It does explain why those from HK returned to HK

PLease lah.. you again quote and talk about what has already happened. Being a new reporter again and yet try to pass out as someone who knows a lot.

What a sinkie loser!!!

 

[talkincock]

ahh, i see so many ball-less sinkies here like myself :p

Can't disagree. That useless thai pimp loser tonychat now has to resort to licking PRC balls and is waiting for people to make sacrifices so that he can reap the benefits at the expense of others.

 

[red amoeba]

Can show some examples of how the government is meddling in SIA coz I can't find any

LKY have always stated he is taking a hands off approach on SIA. To him, Changi Airport is more important then SIA. I'm pretty sure they have more then once meddle in Changi Airport matters but I can't find too much news on SIA. In which case, even if they did, SIA's brand name, Stature as an Airline and profits more then justify whatever they are doing. At the very least if anything, SIA can be consider our biggest worldwide brand

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u seriously think he will carry out his threat to shut down SIA? Sack the entire lot of pilots? What message is this going to be sent to the rest of the world?

LKY laments in his book - when asked why SIA couldn't be privatised ... he said, there was no one he feels capable enough to take over n run the airline. What does this tell you?