Ah Chiam poach Tan Jiak Sai and Eric Tan to SPP????

[RonRon]

TJS: Last time I was also invited to be part of TKL's think-tank to help the latter formulate election strategy, but I only attended one meeting and disappeared. For Mr Chiam I promise I will attend at least 2

 

[Qantas]

Funny, most of them seemed to wearing WP blue uniform.

They know WP is strongest oppo party who can garner the most votes. Imitating WP is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

[Kid278]

Alamak, TJS is a very down to earth guy. Unlike Tony Tan and that useless prataman who are aloof and high.

TJS will make a good people's president.

You cant fault people with myopia, they cant see that far.

 

[leetahbah]

You still believe he qualify on his own merits? Someone just told me, MAS don't even bother to regulate companies that manages funds with less than $200m. So much for this job being equivalent to a CEO of a company with $100m assets.

You really think TJS qualify in the strictest sense? To me, the whole thing was a political plot. Andrew Kuan is more qualified, except that he was disqualified in 2005, no sense to qualify him now.

This is why Sinkie are still under PAP rule, why you lack the foresight to better yourself instead of finding petty issues with those who fight the PAP.

It is not what TJS has but what TJS is. Not everyone is what TJS is, that's why they can't get a certificate. If you can't understand that, then it is hard for you to show the man some respect for what he achieved and others couldn't.

 

[Perspective]

This is why Sinkie are still under PAP rule, why you lack the foresight to better yourself instead of finding petty issues with those who fight the PAP.

It is not what TJS has but what TJS is. Not everyone is what TJS is, that's why they can't get a certificate. If you can't understand that, then it is hard for you to show the man some respect for what he achieved and others couldn't.

Sure. You and TJS seem rather proud that he obtained a cert under the auspices of the PAP controlled PEC trio.

 

[Liquigas]

Sure. You and TJS seem rather proud that he obtained a cert under the auspices of the PAP controlled PEC trio.

Apparently a quarter of those voters who voted for opposition in the May GE voted for TCB in the Aug PE believing that he is truly independent. Otherwise the outcome would have been very different...

 

[Ramseth]

Apparently a quarter of those voters who voted for opposition in the May GE voted for TCB in the Aug PE believing that he is truly independent. Otherwise the outcome would have been very different...

Respect the intelligence and the choice of the electorate even if the result goes against you. That's the basis of democracy if you want to begin talking about democracy. There's no such thing as people voting differently from your choice are stupid or dogs. If you believe in that, then you believe autocracy, not democracy.

 

[leetahbah]

Sure. You and TJS seem rather proud that he obtained a cert under the auspices of the PAP controlled PEC trio.

You know who you are, suits me fine

 

[MightyMouse]

This is why Sinkie are still under PAP rule, why you lack the foresight to better yourself instead of finding petty issues with those who fight the PAP.

It is not what TJS has but what TJS is. Not everyone is what TJS is, that's why they can't get a certificate. If you can't understand that, then it is hard for you to show the man some respect for what he achieved and others couldn't.

Petty issues? It our constitution as it stands right now. In this instance, his job was very far off from being any where near eligible. Its not even in the grey area like Andrew Kuan.

And what did he achieve? He has shown himself to be more presentable and electable then TKL and won the votes from this vote bank. He not shown that he cannot get more of the swing voters to vote for him when faced with a credible opponent. So, what else has he shown in the PE? His arrogance to ask WP to think about the 0.5million votes he won when talking to him? Any more to add?

 

[leetahbah]

Petty issues? It our constitution as it stands right now. In this instance, his job was very far off from being any where near eligible. Its not even in the grey area like Andrew Kuan.

And what did he achieve? He has shown himself to be more presentable and electable then TKL and won the votes from this vote bank. He not shown that he cannot get more of the swing voters to vote for him when faced with a credible opponent. So, what else has he shown in the PE? His arrogance to ask WP to think about the 0.5million votes he won when talking to him? Any more to add?

The PE is not petty. Picking on a PE candidate and not respecting a PE candidate is petty

He probably has more achievements than you and any other idiots here combined.

- He was a principal private secretary to Goh Chok Tong, and you??
- He was a CEO of a company, and you??
- He was a PE candidate, and you??
- More achievements, but save you some face ok

None of you have these qualifications, not showing respect to your friends and adversaries speaks very much of how low you are.

The whole point is show some respect, no matter how much you not like him, more so if he is a presidential candidate

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

To put everything in perspective, this is what would have happened if TJS had not contested:

(a) TJS votes would have been split evenly between TCB and TKL.

(b) Tony tan would have lost, been humiliated, and the entire PAP thrown into disarray.

(c) TCB would have won, and he would have the chance to really kick some ass.

(d) TKL would not have lost his deposit.

Instead look what happened.

the result totally opposite to what 65% of the population wanted.

 

[Fook Seng]

The PE is not petty. Picking on a PE candidate and not respecting a PE candidate is petty

He probably has more achievements than you and any other idiots here combined.

- He was a principal private secretary to Goh Chok Tong, and you??
- He was a CEO of a company, and you??
- He was a PE candidate, and you??
- More achievements, but save you some face ok

None of you have these qualifications, not showing respect to your friends and adversaries speaks very much of how low you are.

The whole point is show some respect, no matter how much you not like him, more so if he is a presidential candidate

I am not involved in the discussion centering around the PE candidate. But anyone who put himself up as a PE candidate should recognize the kind of scrutiny that he will be subject to considering the rewards and status he will get if elected to the high office. And this also applies to TT. How can he be compared to a normal forummer? If your argument is valid, since this is the highest office in the land, only the other candidates can criticize him. Ridiculous isn't it? Someone with a thin skin should not be standing for election.

 

[MightyMouse]

The PE is not petty. Picking on a PE candidate and not respecting a PE candidate is petty

He probably has more achievements than you and any other idiots here combined.

- He was a principal private secretary to Goh Chok Tong, and you??
- He was a CEO of a company, and you??
- He was a PE candidate, and you??
- More achievements, but save you some face ok

None of you have these qualifications, not showing respect to your friends and adversaries speaks very much of how low you are.

The whole point is show some respect, no matter how much you not like him, more so if he is a presidential candidate

He would have earned my respect had he stopped short at nomination day. The fact that he was made used of by the govt to achieve the objective of putting their preferred candidate into the Istana is enough reason to lose all our respects for whatever achievements he had. Can you tell me how he has helped the cause of the common Singaporean by aiding with the enemy to put Dr Tony Tan in Istana?

So what if I'm better or worse than him in all his PAST achievements. It has no bearing on this discussion as I'm not the one running for the Presidency. And my point has always been, not withstanding that he has achieved those things which you have deemed so highly, he has not qualified for the Presidency as defined by the Constitution.

 

[Fook Seng]

He would have earned my respect had he stopped short at nomination day. The fact that he was made used of by the govt to achieve the objective of putting their preferred candidate into the Istana is enough reason to lose all our respects for whatever achievements he had. Can you tell me how he has helped the cause of the common Singaporean by aiding with the enemy to put Dr Tony Tan in Istana?

So what if I'm better or worse than him in all his PAST achievements. It has no bearing on this discussion as I'm not the one running for the Presidency. And my point has always been, not withstanding that he has achieved those things which you have deemed so highly, he has not qualified for the Presidency as defined by the Constitution.

Yes. Agreed. He single-handedly screwed up everybody.

 

[Checker]

Hindsight is 20/20. Anyone predicted TCB and TT margin is less than 1%? And made this prediction before nomination? And was sure of it?

Even if TJS didn't run, won't more of his votes go to TKL than evenly with TCB? If TCB is "middle", and more votes from the TJS "left" go to him, also possible those in TCB right-middle camp move to TT instead. And outcome still same narrow loss to TT. But who knows.

It is, however, clear that the elite machinery is way more powerful. Other camps need to gain more experience, attract more good people, talk to each other more, and work out strategy to fight another round instead of dwelling in what ifs of the past.

 

[SDPhopelessParty]

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[CakeLengKia]

chiam have definitely learn the chee lesson. that's why desmond lim was unable to out chiam from spp and have to crawl back to the empty shell SJP

but then both tjs and chiam prefers a united opposition while ltk prefers to operate on their own

 

[Fook Seng]

chiam have definitely learn the chee lesson. that's why desmond lim was unable to out chiam from spp and have to crawl back to the empty shell SJP

but then both tjs and chiam prefers a united opposition while ltk prefers to operate on their own

That is why the future of a unified opposition assuming that WP has to be part of it, is whether Chiam is willing to relinquish control of his party. He has exactly the same problem of the Old Man. A grand alliance in form of a confederation of parties won't work.

 

[Alamaking]

As for those who criticize him for GE > PE > GE, they don't seem to realize TJS is the only opposition candidate at that time qualified for PE. Your beloved CST, CSJ, LTK etc all don't qualify for PE. Show some respect for those who qualify

You based on the requirements set by PAP? hahaha...... then many president in other countries cant qualify also, LOL

 

[zhihau]

Hindsight is 20/20. Anyone predicted TCB and TT margin is less than 1%? And made this prediction before nomination? And was sure of it?

one village idiot did, albeit the prediction was made 24 hrs before polling began