A win for Iris koh

[Geneco]

Don't anyhow defame people. Just apologies and own up..I dun think Raymond will be hard on anyone after apologies.

well some people think he's lying only mah...

 

[sbfuncle]

Why there wasn't any update after the arrest of gazy 4 years ago and out on bail?

A search for latest update.
Handed charges on 7 Feb 2025

https://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/...-people-of-60k-from-vending-machines.7102992/

SINGAPORE – Raymond Ng Kai Hoe, who is the husband of anti-vaccine group Healing the Divide founder Iris Koh, was on Feb 7 handed 12 cheating charges involving nearly $61,000.

In 2019 and 2020, he allegedly committed multiple counts of cheating linked to a company called Vendshare that dealt with vending machines.

There were 12 alleged victims and around $60,800 was involved.


The amounts ranged between $1,000 and $13,900 per person.

Between Aug 25 and Dec 25, 2019, Ng, 51, who is a former director at the firm, allegedly cheated a man by duping him into believing the payments made to Vendshare were for the co-ownership of coffee vending machines.

According to court documents, Ng purportedly dishonestly induced him to make payments totalling $2,500 to Vendshare.


Ng also allegedly cheated 11 other people by using a similar method.

One of the men, who was purportedly duped between November 2019 and June 2020, was allegedly cheated of the largest amount – $13,900.

On Feb 7, the court heard that Ng is not pleading guilty, and his case will be mentioned again on March 7.


For each count of cheating, an offender can be jailed for up to 10 years and fined.

Ng made the headlines in December 2024 as he was linked to the death of a 46-year-old woman who killed herself after coming under financial stress, in part because she was dealing with two lawsuits Ng had initiated against her.

On Dec 12, 2024, State Coroner Adam Nakhoda ruled Ms Geno Ong Kay Yong’s death on Sept 6 that year a suicide.

No foul play was suspected.

 

[sbfuncle]

On Feb 7, the court heard that Ng is not pleading guilty, and his case will be mentioned again on March 7.

Couldn't find new update after it mentioned the case will be mentioned again on Mar 7.

Those 12 people who leeported him doesn't know each other, so it is quite unlikely they were in cahoot to accuse him.

Hence I would place my bet that gazy would need to wash his backside ready to squat and pick soap.

 

[tobelightlight]

well some people think he's lying only mah...
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There is a difference between lying and defaming.

 

[Geneco]

There is a difference between lying and defaming.

well some people think they don't get into trouble means it's okay mah...

 

[sbfuncle]

On Feb 7, the court heard that Ng is not pleading guilty, and his case will be mentioned again on March 7.

One thing I couldn't understand.
If the pp had set dates for the charges, why concurrently gazy was allowed to sue rice media?
This will either mean if he is found guilty, then rice media will be automatically not guilty and if he is found not guilty means rice media will automatically be guilty, isn't it?

@NanoSpeed can shed some lights on this?

 

[NanoSpeed]

One thing I couldn't understand.
If the pp had set dates for the charges, why concurrently gazy was allowed to sue rice media?
This will either mean if he is found guilty, then rice media will be automatically not guilty and if he is found not guilty means rice media will automatically be guilty, isn't it?

@NanoSpeed can shed some lights on this?

According to Google:

When PP is involved, it's criminal case. RN sues Rice Media for defamation. It's civil case.

The characters involved are the same, but the laws governing the cases are different.

If PP succeeds, and RN is convicted of cheating, the conviction can be relied upon by Rice Media as the defence of "justification". The statements may be defamatory, but the truth justifies the making of the statements.

If PP fails, it does NOT necessarily mean Rice Media will be found to have defamed RN. Like I said, the laws governing the cases are different even though some elements overlapped. In civil case, we don't use the term "guilty". We say "liable".

 

[Loofydralb]

I must say that the level of planning to do the mRNA scam is much more meticulous than the false flag planning and execution of 9/11.

 

[sbfuncle]

According to Google:

When PP is involved, it's criminal case. RN sues Rice Media for defamation. It's civil case.

The characters involved are the same, but the laws governing the cases are different.

If PP succeeds, and RN is convicted of cheating, the conviction can be relied upon by Rice Media as the defence of "justification". The statements may be defamatory, but the truth justifies the making of the statements.

If PP fails, it does NOT necessarily mean Rice Media will be found to have defamed RN. Like I said, the laws governing the cases are different even though some elements overlapped. In civil case, we don't use the term "guilty". We say "liable".

Thanks for the clarification.
Aiyo. So troublesome.
This is wasting public leesources.
Just let the 2 hearings as 1, since RN sued lice media for defaming him, and if his criminal case is not guilty it will mean lice media defamed him.

The law very 死版 de woh.

 

[tobelightlight]

This is an eventful week, I have also applied to Court intended to have full acquittal. I am simplifying the terms, so that normal readers can understand (while not prejudging the matter).

Firstly, I am innocent of the cheating charges, and I did not DO anything remotely close to what was accused.

In the last hearing, even the Prosecutor admits to the Court that 1 of the key elements (the "person" who received the cheated money) is wrong, and they are in the process of reviewing the evidence so as to eventually change the name of the "person" receiving the cheated money.

This is not a small error, the error if unchanged, the Prosecutor truly has to discharge me.

The irony is, if Prosecutor changes, Court has to approve basing on their evaluation criteria, and Court may NOT approve, subject to what I am representing to the Court, as in the amendment cannot be done because of some principle in law.

If they do not change, then they would be forced to discharge. If their application to amend is disapproved, then they would have to discharge as well.

If somehow the Court approves the amendment, the High Court can review it and might deny the amendment.

The problem now is, putting aside the "person", the actual alleged cheating of "co sharing of vending machine" in my view, has not a single piece of documentary evidence (and the documents I submit is over thousands of pages), but that one I will not prejudge, and I will leave it to the Court.

Thanks, updates as they come.

 

[NanoSpeed]

Thanks for the clarification.
Aiyo. So troublesome.
This is wasting public leesources.
Just let the 2 hearings as 1, since RN sued lice media for defaming him, and if his criminal case is not guilty it will mean lice media defamed him.

The law very 死版 de woh.

I have already said that even if PP fails it does NOT mean that Rice Media will be adjudged to have defamed RN.

Which part you don't understand?

By thanking me for the clarification and repeating your misunderstanding at the same time, you are attributing your mistaken belief to me.

 

[sbfuncle]

I have already said that even if PP fails it does NOT mean that Rice Media will be adjudged to have defamed RN.

Which part you don't understand?

By thanking me for the clarification and repeating your misunderstanding at the same time, you are attributing your mistaken belief to me.

Rn sued lice media for defaming him cheating money.
The criminal case was to charge him for cheating money .
It is a waste of time to split the hearings into a civil and criminal cases.
They were the same topic I.e whether he had cheated money .
It is a waste of public leesources to allow him to lodge a civil case separately .
Unless on top of cheating money, lice media also defamed him of something else.

I thank you for pointing out to me that they were criminal and civil cases involved.
However my comment still stands if the court and law wasn't so stupid.
I.e the court could/should simply write off his civil suit if/when the court find him guilty, instead of wasting public leesources. Becos it will also mean the court shouldn't have accepted his civil suit in the first place.

Which part you doesn't understand on my leeplies?

 

[NanoSpeed]

Rn sued lice media for defaming him cheating money.
The criminal case was to charge him for cheating money .
It is a waste of time to split the hearings into a civil and criminal cases.
They are the same topic I.e whether he got cheated money .
It is a waste of public leesources to allow him to lodge a civil case separately .
Unless on top of cheating money, lice media also defamed him of something else.

I thank you for pointing out to me that they were criminal and civil cases involved.
However my comment still stands when he court and law wasn't so stupid.

They are NOT the same topic. One is cheating and other defamation. These are two entirely different topics even if the characters involved are the same.

Most importantly, I have already told you that even if PP fails in the criminal case, it does NOT automatically transform to Rice Media losing the case. That is sufficient to show the difference even to the layman.

There are 3 different issues involved : Legal System, Civil Procedures and Substantive Laws. And within each substantive law, the Law of Evidence differs. So which area are you familiar with to be able to say that the two cases should be tried together ?

 

[sbfuncle]

They are NOT the same topic. One is cheating and other defamation. These are two entirely different topics even if the characters involved are the same.

Most importantly, I have already told you that even if PP fails in the criminal case, it does NOT automatically transform to Rice Media losing the case.

There are 3 different issues involved : Legal System, Civil Procedures and Substantive Laws. And within each substantive law, the Law of Evidence differs. So which area are you familiar with to be able to say that the two cases should be tried together ?

That's why I said, unless lice media also defamed him on other matters besides the cheating case.
I briefly read they were all about the cheating, unless i missed out something else.
Or else it is just a stupidly de categorising of a civil and criminal suit. And if he did leelee cheated, there isn't a need for him to proceed with the civil suit at all. Unless there were other matters besides cheating.
I know that the court will need to go thru subjects separately from the criminal case, therefore there is another civil case. But if they are about whether lice media defamed him of cheating then they are the same matter mah.

 

[NanoSpeed]

That's why I said, unless lice media also defamed him on other matters besides the cheating case.
I briefly read they were all about the cheating, unless i missed out something else.
Or else it is just a stupidly de categorising of a civil and criminal suit. And if he did leelee cheated, there isn't a need for him to proceed with the civil suit at all. Unless there were other matters besides cheating.

You still don't understand, do you ?

The civil case is NOT the categorization of cheating into defamation. If you understand the phrase "cause of action", you will know why you are barking up the wrong tree.

The cause of action determines the outcome. It's NOT the presumed outcome that determines what cause of action one is allowed to take. In each cause of action, the standard of proof and elements of law are different. The person who is suing in criminal case is the prosecutor, and the evidence that is available to the prosecutor is NOT necessarily and sometimes, as a matter of fairness, should NOT be made available to the litigant in the civil case who is a witness in the criminal case.

The law is NOT about convenience, and much more the convenience for the layman's understanding. It's about system and procedures that will bring about fairness to all parties, including the person you do NOT like.

By assuming that if RN is convicted of cheating, he should not proceed with the civil suit because he will lose, when the criminal case has not even been heard, is presuming guilty until proven innocent.

 

[sbfuncle]

They are NOT the same topic. One is cheating and other defamation. These are two entirely different topics even if the characters involved are the same.

Most importantly, I have already told you that even if PP fails in the criminal case, it does NOT automatically transform to Rice Media losing the case. That is sufficient to show the difference even to the layman.

There are 3 different issues involved : Legal System, Civil Procedures and Substantive Laws. And within each substantive law, the Law of Evidence differs. So which area are you familiar with to be able to say that the two cases should be tried together ?

I think it is also becos of the stupid court rules and leegulations, therefore allowing people like him and his wife to create havoc with the courts.
Everyday can goto court smlj?
The court will accept these nonsense becos it is their business and money generating tools.
But as a outsider like me to view, is purely rubbish and wasting public leesources.

 

[sbfuncle]

You still don't understand, do you ?

The civil case is NOT the categorization of cheating into defamation. If you understand the phrase "cause of action", you will know why you are barking up the wrong tree.

The cause of action determines the outcome. It's NOT the presumed outcome that determines what cause of action one is allowed to take. In each cause of action, the standard of proof and elements of law are different. The person who is suing in criminal case is the prosecutor, and the evidence that is available to the prosecutor is NOT necessarily and sometimes, as a matter of fairness, should NOT be made available to the litigant in the civil case who is a witness in the criminal case.

The law is NOT about convenience, and much more the convenience for the layman's understanding. It's about system and procedures that will bring about fairness to all parties, including the person you do NOT like.

By assuming that if RN is convicted of cheating, he should not proceed with the civil suit because he will lose, when the criminal case has not even been heard, is presuming guilty until proven innocent.

Did you read carefully?

I specifically indicated.
Unless lice media had defamed him of something else besides cheating.

And his criminal case is to be charged for cheating.

It is simply a de categorization of a civil and criminal suit only de woh.

And I even said, the court of course by following the rules allow this matter as as Yart Dan wan Yart Dan.
In leeleety there isn't a need at all.

 

[sbfuncle]

They are NOT the same topic. One is cheating and other defamation

Simple. I ask you this first.
The defamation suit was it about rn suing lice media for defaming him of cheating?
If not then I will rest my case.

 

[NanoSpeed]

Did you read carefully?

I specifically indicated.
Unless lice media had defamed him of something else besides cheating.

And his criminal case is to be charged for cheating.

It is simply a de categorization of a civil and criminal suit only de woh.

And I even said, the court of course by following the rules allow this matter as as Yart Dan wan Yart Dan.
In leeleety there isn't a need at all.

I read carefully, and for your ease of understanding, I'm restricting the charge to just cheating.

So now it's your turn to read carefully.

 

[NanoSpeed]

Simple. I ask you this first.
The defamation suit was it about rn suing lice media for defaming him of cheating?
If not then I will rest my case.

Yes.