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PTADER

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Lol, have you not read the news that Muslims in Oz/NZ were trying to get KFC there to become halal? They claimed they can't eat KFC even though only chicken is served simply because it is not halal. They were even considering lodging a discrimination complaint.
Hello, we are talking about Singapore. Don't digress to Oz/NZ.

With SG's Muslim population at over 15%, I am sure no major businesses are willing to risk being tagged with the racist label when Muslims start screaming discrimination. Just imagine the trouble they can cause when the small percentage in angmo lands are already giving authorities a headache.
I am slow and not too bright so it took me a while to figure out that which you have analysed so brilliantly and effortlessly. I am impressed with your ability to distil the issue down to the two root causes of loud screams and racist labellings. You're a smart man.
 

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I have told my account of swensens asking me to leave with my daughter several times on this forum. Old timers will know.

Anyway I have also posted the links to them too.
You have told your "account [...] several times". You have posted your all important "links" as irrefutable evidence. Most importantly, you are a clever Doktoh Quack who performed surgery on the Malay family minutes before meeting up with them in Swensens, replacing their standard eyeballs with bionic eyeballs that would be able to tell minced/ shredded halal meat from minced/shredded non-halal meat.

With your history of bullshitting in this forum, it's difficult to not conclude that your tall tale must be true. I am not sure about the rest but your bionic eyeball surgery that you carried out on the Malay family is the one that convinced me you are telling the truth.
 

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By right, its an eye for an eye..as for aspostasy, freedom of faith is the bedrock of the quran amd because muslims have to be just and righteous, non believers should be treated as equals.
Sounds like discrimination if one believe that one is 'just and righteous' and others are treated as equals. Which is an oxymoron
 

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By right, its an eye for an eye..as for aspostasy, freedom of faith is the bedrock of the quran amd because muslims have to be just and righteous, non believers should be treated as equals.
That's your version of islam. If your version of islam was the practiced version, most people wouldn't be having problems with islam.
 

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Have MOS burger...NON HALAL. How come no one make noise? Why no serve pork? Muslims fault again?

Nightsafari, any comments?:smile:

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can't think of anything... but I got a question. Would you or anyone you know not patronize mos burger because they are not halal? I don't see any pork in the menu with the possible exception of the hot dog. So I'm curious would it be a problem?
 

glockman

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omg fingers gonna fall off :eek: . Alrighty then, but I'm no scholar or historian and am seriously taking shortcuts... :x3:

To illustrate this, I'm going to start by using India and Pakistan. Long long ago, they were largely one entity under British rule. Then come independence. Muslims demanded a separate state to protect themselves from religious persecution, Hindus I believe preferred it whole, well because they were always Indian. The poms in all their wisdom granted this separate state wish, whereupon mass upheaval and uprisings followed. Lots of people died.

The jews also requested a homeland in the Middle East because of the holocaust and their long history of religious persecution, so the territory under British control was ceded to the jews to create the state of Israel. Never mind the people already living there peacefully under nominal British rule, Jews, Muslims, Christians et al. Under the highbrow intentions of welfare for a religiously persecuted group we now have all the anguish and bloodshed today.

Hong Kong was officially British till the end of time, but in the interest of good optics was given back to China. Well you can ask the Hongkies how that went.

I can go on, but let's come back to bolehland and sinkieland. When independence was granted in Malaysia, there was some form of enshrining Malay/Muslim pre-eminence into the legal constitution or framework as part of their well-meaning departure at that time. I figure there were some shenanigans involved with Singapore because they were granted independence at different times. But in the end, LKY was in a desperate enough situation back then that he felt that he needed Malaysia, and so I believe he made Malay the official language, anthem in Malay etc and enshrined their rights and their special status semi-officially to be allowed into the Malaysian fold.

My apologies for not knowing more about the local situation. I glean my info from true scholars of full history warts and all which in Singapore tends to be a bit scarce. The official version rarely mentions all the ugly details.

So in short, the British with their mighty empire were well-intentioned, but just largely listened to special interest groups (ugh I hate that bunch of people), so gave rise to the problems in the world still in existence today.
Wow, thank you! I wasn't expecting you to type so much. Figured you would point me to a website, so I really appreciate it. Thanks for the education. :thumbsup::biggrin:
 

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Wow, thank you! I wasn't expecting you to type so much. Figured you would point me to a website, so I really appreciate it. Thanks for the education. :thumbsup::biggrin:
now you make me paiseh :redface:

wanna point you to a website also don't know of one. I just gathered all the stuff I observed/learnt over the years. that's why my knowledge is spotty. paiseh... :x3:

anyway welcome...
 

glockman

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apparently it's what Islam was during a certain period. I'm not sure if Islam today is of the same calibre as it was back then.
The world today is quite different from decades back. It seems those days of live and let live are gone. I suspect people are getting more religious, in order to find meaning and navigate the complexities of modern living. Bad economic situation, poverty, lack of prospects, wider income disparity, etc etc. They find solace in their faith, and among fellow believers who in all likelihood are going through the same challenges as them.
 

Hypocrite-The

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can't think of anything... but I got a question. Would you or anyone you know not patronize mos burger because they are not halal? I don't see any pork in the menu with the possible exception of the hot dog. So I'm curious would it be a problem?
The whole supply chain must be halal. So if the cow n chicken not halal cut, also cannot. However I wonder if mudslimes would be offended if they are invited to vegetarian restaurants, will they be offended?. Can they eat the vegetarian food from temples? And from Buddhist restaurants? Wat about those vegan places which have no meat by products at all?
 

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The whole supply chain must be halal. So if the cow n chicken not halal cut, also cannot. However I wonder if mudslimes would be offended if they are invited to vegetarian restaurants, will they be offended?. Can they eat the vegetarian food from temples? And from Buddhist restaurants? Wat about those vegan places which have no meat by products at all?
Exactly. Whether food is halal or not is more complicated than just "pork free".

There are all kinds of prayers and requirements. Also need someone who is Muslim to man the food establishment at all times.

Hence most food establishments who have halal certification will just seem anything from the restaurant as "non halal" and thus not allowed.
 

nightsafari

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The world today is quite different from decades back. It seems those days of live and let live are gone. I suspect people are getting more religious, in order to find meaning and navigate the complexities of modern living. Bad economic situation, poverty, lack of prospects, wider income disparity, etc etc. They find solace in their faith, and among fellow believers who in all likelihood are going through the same challenges as them.
agree.
 

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Exactly. Whether food is halal or not is more complicated than just "pork free". There are all kinds of prayers and requirements. Also need someone who is Muslim to man the food establishment at all times.
Clever Doktoh Quack, you are right. It's extremely complicated. That is why all halal eateries employ a PhD graduate just to manage their halal eatery. Not only that, the one-time application fee of $170 and yearly certification fee that ranges between $64.20 (school canteen) and $1,219 (for a restaurant exceeding 186 square metres) are formidable barriers for any eateries seeking entry into the halal food world.

Hence most food establishments who have halal certification will just seem anything from the restaurant as "non halal" and thus not allowed.
Doktoh Quack, what the fuck are you babbling about?

Are you dyslexic? Do you suffer from some sort of psychological disorder? If so, how the fuck did you clear the selection interview and qualify for medical school with this disorder, your dismal intellect and your self-entitled personality?

Did you study medicine in an Ah Neh school in India instead of NUS? If you did, it would help explain a lot of things.
 

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Hungry for more: A&W to open second Singapore outlet in June, eyes 'important' halal market
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Ms Sally See, A&W International's manager of business development (right) and Mr Kelvin Tan, A&W International's director of marketing and communication. (Photo: Matthew Mohan)
By Matthew Mohan
16 Apr 2019 06:23AM
(Updated: 16 Apr 2019 07:14AM)
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SINGAPORE: Drawn like bees to honey, hungry customers wait in line patiently.

It is about 10am on Monday (Apr 15) and the promise of crispy curly fries, coney dogs topped with chunky relish and frosted mugs filled with frothy root beer seems more tantalising than anything else on offer at Jewel Changi Airport.

READ: Jewel Changi Airport opens its doors to first visitors

At least 50 people are in the queue, and American fast-food chain A&W's only outlet in Singapore hasn't even opened for the day.

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"Today’s the fifth day (since the outlet opened) and perhaps one of the longest queues I’ve ever seen," said Mr Kelvin Tan, A&W International's director of marketing and communication.

"It’s unique to us at this moment where we are really the longest queue in Jewel now," he told CNA.

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"We’re glad to have customers who truly are very patient with us and have been adopting the view that good food deserves the wait."

It is a wait that has spanned 16 years for many of A&W's die-hard fans.

A&W – which stands for Allen and Wright – made its debut in Singapore in 1966 at Dunearn Road, and the first A&W drive-through opened in 1970 at Bukit Timah Road. But after decades in Singapore, the fast-food chain decided to pull out of the country in 2003, with five outlets then.

READ: Rooting for you: A&W returns to Singapore after 16 years with Jewel Changi Airport outlet

This time, A&W is here to stay, insisted Mr Tan. And very soon, it plans to open a second outlet in Singapore.

"The outlet will be open in the next one-and-a-half to two months – in June," Mr Tan told CNA.

He declined to reveal more details, saying only that it will be located at a "very high traffic location".

"After opening here, we wanted to be able to scale in such a speed where it would ease off the crowd at the first outlet," said Mr Tan. "It’s not that we come unprepared, we know that there's going to be a huge crowd."

There are also plans to add a third outlet by 2020, he said.

READ: Throwback Thursday: The taste of nostalgia lures snaking queues of A&W fans on opening day

Beyond opening new outlets, A&W also wants to cater to various segments of the local market, said Mr Tan. It has "every intention" of submitting its application to the Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (MUIS) for halal-certification.

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A&W's signature curly fries (right).

"The Muslim community formed a very big chunk of our business (in the past) and I think right now we will continue to respect and recognise that this particular market is very important to us," said Mr Tan.

"From the start, when developing the menu, we always wanted to make it halal, but obviously we need to get the restaurant to open first - we are in the process - meaning to say we have every intention to submit our application to MUIS.

"We're hoping that the crowd will ease out a bit and then we will get them to come in (and do an audit)," said Mr Tan.

"Right now, we would like consumers to know that it’s a Muslim friendly menu, no pork no lard, and as soon as we can find the time to submit our application to MUIS, we will do so immediately."

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Customers wait patiently in line to enter the A&W outlet at Jewel Changi Airport. (Photo: Matthew Mohan)

On the timing of its return to Singapore, A&W said the opening of Jewel gave it an opportunity to make its comeback.

"We’ve been receiving a lot of requests from our fans all over the world to bring it back to Singapore," said Ms Sally See, A&W International's manager of business development.

"With the opening of Jewel, we found it very timely to do it together."

In fact, fans wanted the fast-food chain back so badly that they set up a Facebook page dedicated to A&W Singapore when news broke of a possible return, added Mr Tan.

MORE THAN JUST FAST FOOD

A "hybrid" between fast food and casual dining, the A&W Jewel Changi outlet aims to serve as an "incubator" for menu innovations and service design.

For one, this means that in addition to the traditional all-american classics, regional favourites such as the "golden aroma chicken" from A&W's Malaysian and Indonesian outlets and the "waffle sundae" from A&W's Thai outlets are available.

"We have tweaked the menu so that it appeals to a wider group of customers," said Mr Tan. "We have brought in menu items that have done well in overseas markets to Singapore. We still have our classics but have added new things to appeal to a wider crowd."

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A&W staff at work.

The Singapore outlet is not run as a franchise, but is managed directly by A&W Restaurants.

"We could have easily gone for a franchising concept … but as a company-owned store, it offers us greater control over what we want to do for the menu," Mr Tan explained.

There is also an increased emphasis on the quality of food rather than the speed at which it comes out of the kitchen, he added.

A&W's burgers and coney dogs are put together only after the orders are sent to the kitchen, rather than being pre-assembled. The same applies for its root beer, which is served to order.

"Unlike the typical fast food concept where you place an order and you immediately expect your food to be served to you right and then, it’s a slightly different concept that we are hoping to explore for this market – especially in Jewel Changi Airport, where we expect the crowd to be a little bit more international, where expectations are higher," Mr Tan said.

After Jewel Changi Airport's preview period, A&W will open 24 hours a day.

As queues continue to form, Mr Tan and Ms See remain confident that the chain will not lose its appeal among Singaporeans in the coming years.

"What we have is a very good brand, a very good team already in place and we’ll be rolling out promotions and customer engagement programmes to help us bring in the millennials," said Mr Tan. "We have a very good strategy in place to make sure that this brand will continue to thrive for a long time to come."
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