2020 US-Iran War Update Thread

[glockman]

peace will follow only when humans go back to struggling for survival with a vastly reduced population. The human animal is not naturally a peaceable one.

I agree. We are gifted with the most intelligence, yet we are the worst of all species.

 

[nightsafari]

I agree. We are gifted with the most intelligence, yet we are the worst of all species.

it's called greed. never enough. humans have a strong drive and the intelligence to actualize it. habis lah...

 

[laksaboy]

 

[mudhatter]

Not so. It is very easy to make nuclear bombs. Even North Korea, Pakistan did it. It is the US bombings that is the difficulty. You build centrifuge for uranium enrichment, after all the money spent, they would bomb them out of existence. Cycle repeats.

Chan Rasjid.
"Chemical Analysis Of Plain Distilled Water May Refute Mass-Energy Conservation Of E=mc²"
http://www.emc2fails.com

Build underground lah, Got tunnels underground deep, deep. Deep underground.

 

[mudhatter]

That the Shia (Iranian Muslims) are the enemies of Sunni (eg. Saudi,Malaysia, Indonesia) is just nonsense. It is the politicians who want this split. Shai-sunni split is about who should be the true successor when the prophet died, Ali or Abu Bakr. This was 1400 years ago and the average Muslims don't care a wit.

It is a lie that Shia don't follow the Quran etc,... There is only one Quran! About the hadith (sayings of the prophet), probably there may be some difference in interpretation, but minor. No average Muslim cares if you are Shia or Sunni nowadays. If the Malaysians do think there should be a real split between Shia and Sunni, it is because they are listening to talks which are politically based, nothing really about Islam as a religion.

Why did Dr. Mahathir invited Khamenei, a Shia. This Saudi guy is just talking politics and nothing about Islam.

Best regards,
Chan Rasjid Kah Chew,
Singapore.

"Chemical Analysis Of Plain Distilled Water May Refute Mass-Energy Conservation Of E=mc²"
http://www.emc2fails.com

No point dividing Muslims when the biggest enemies are non-Muslims.

The Brits played this 'divide and conquer' game to devastating effect, still ongoing with assisting the Yankees with the same divide and conquer policy in the Muslim world and elsewhere.


But if you think abt it, Brits and Yanks fought in 1776, then Yanks forced Brits and French to stand down over 1956 Suez Canal invasion, effectively ending Brit and French empires.

They are all members of NATO, treaty bound to fight against any enemy, any aggressor, that NATO deems has attacked a member state.

Then why should Muslims fall for these divisive policies, whether Iranian, Saudi or any other?

Saudi regime is a puppet and stooge of the yanks, not much to be expected. The sooner those stooge regime ends, the better.

Waiting for Iran to take action. Hope it's not another one of those lame UN letters or proxies attacking with some minor rockets, again.

Turkey or Pakistan, as we have seen, despite all the bluster good do jack.

After a week or so of sanctions (mild sanctions) from Trump, Erdogan caved in. Released the pastor and made up an excuse that he has served his jail sentence. Despite Yanks propping up PKK YPG and SDF that killed plenty of Turks on Turkish soil Turkey still remains a NATO member.


Pakistan despite being threatened to be bombed back to the stone age and after allowing passage into Afghanistan through their own territory and having their own country bombed by Yankee drones, still remains an "ally" in name at least and has done nothing to openly challenge Yanks.


Let's see if Iranians are all huff and puff. Empty rhetoric or got some substance.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Problem solved to getcrid of carrier...

Found a way to render carrier into oblivion and become obsolete soon...

God used waves, flood and rain to get ride of evil man in Genesis 2:6 and then again in Genesis 6:8 in Noah....

So back to God's invention to rock the carrier with fake huge tsunami waves make aircraft impossible to take off and landing....

Simple hydraulic technology can create huge large waves. Pushing water to form huge waves is already an old simple hydraulic system technology....





Take this wave pool technology turn into military use create hugh mulitple continuous tsunami waves hit the carrier....

There is the common notion that the US super carriers are unsinkable. Could they beat the Titanic. The Titanic was touted as a ship that even God cannot sink - and it sank.

We really don't know if it is just a myth that US aircraft carriers are unsinkable - it has not been tested yet. It was when Deng Xiaoping tested his PLA army with the Vietnamese that he knew the Chinese PLA cannot win in modern warfare. Remember how the Houthi drones wreck havoc with the Saudi oil facilities.

We imagine how advance Western science and technology is - how we even could know events that happen at the edge of the universe where two black holes collided sending out gravitational waves; they even claimed detection of these waves from billions years ago! Greatness Me! We even know protons are composed of quarks even before we know much about the protons! So cut-and-paste these miracles of technology of the US onto their aircraft carrier:
"Even God cannot sink a US aircraft carrier!", the Pentagon.

The US aircraft carrier may get near Gulf Of Oman and may be targeted by the Iranians. Only a true test will tell if the super carriers may or may not be easily taken down. If a US carrier sinks, that's the start of WWIII - it's a matter of honor.

Best regards,
Chan Rasjid Kah Chew,
Singapore.0

"Chemical Analysis Of Plain Distilled Water May Refute Mass-Energy Conservation Of E=mc²"
http://www.emc2fails.com

 

[mudhatter]

There is the common notion that the US super carriers are unsinkable. Could they beat the Titanic. The Titanic was touted as a ship that even God cannot sink - and it sank.

We really don't know if it is just a myth that US aircraft carriers are unsinkable - it has not been tested yet. It was when Deng Xiaoping tested his PLA army with the Vietnamese that he knew the Chinese PLA cannot win in modern warfare. Remember how the Houthi drones wreck havoc with the Saudi oil facilities.

We imagine how advance Western science and technology is - how we even could know events that happen at the edge of the universe where two black holes collided sending out gravitational waves; they even claimed detection of these waves from billions years ago! Greatness Me! We even know protons are composed of quarks even before we know much about the protons! So cut-and-paste these miracles of technology of the US onto their aircraft carrier:
"Even God cannot sink a US aircraft carrier!", the Pentagon.

The US aircraft carrier may get near Gulf Of Oman and may be targeted by the Iranians. Only a true test will tell if the super carriers may or may not be easily taken down. If a US carrier sinks, that's the start of WWIII - it's a matter of honor.

Best regards,
Chan Rasjid Kah Chew,
Singapore.0

"Chemical Analysis Of Plain Distilled Water May Refute Mass-Energy Conservation Of E=mc²"
http://www.emc2fails.com

Total myths.

Just about any half-baked military power could sink a carrier.

It requires a full blown war to be fought against Yanks, that's all.

Which might end up in nuclear exchange.

Rest is all bluster.

To sink an object under water, the object needs to be heavier/more dense than water. Or you need to allow water to seep inside the hollow compartments, so that the final density of the object (including the water that seeped inside) would have exceed that of sea water/wherever the object is meant to be sunk.

Even if somebody splits a carrier in half, but there are watertight compartments inside, the vessel might not sink since it might be less dense than water.

If a carrier is totally split in half, no need for it to sink either. Also can lah.

 

[mudhatter]

How to fight US if shot fm 30k ft high?

SAM

Iran shot down MQ-4C



No problems.

Iran got SAM that can reach at least 30 km altitude, that's 30,000 metres altitude.

30,000 feet < 10,000 metre = 10 km altitude.

 

[mudhatter]

Problem solved to getcrid of carrier...

Found away to render carrier into oblivion and become obsolete soon...

God used waves, flood and rain to get ride of evil man in Genesis 2:6 and then again in Genesis 6:8 in Noah....

So back to God's invention to rock the carrier with fake hugh tsunami waves make aircraft impossible to take off and landing....



Take this wave pool technology turn into military use create hugh mulitple continuous tsunami waves hit the carrier....

Don't fall for yankee hype machine.


Even lousy PAPpies with their stinky armed forces nsf can easily sink an entire carrier battle group.

Not just one aircraft carrier, but also destroyers, cruisers, replenishment vessels, subs, aircrafts, helis other escorts.

Really lousy.

Take quora answers with a grain of salt. Decide if u believe quora members or not, on your own.

https://www.quora.com/Is-tiny-Singa...t-advanced-fleets-of-submarines-in-the-region

Many people look at the Global Firepower Ranking, which is useless, since it considers only manpower, and how many toys the listed navies have, regardless of competency, application, force doctrine, and logistics. By that measure, Indonesia could put a million fishermen in motorised sampans, and obsolete derelicts, and still be considered to have a higher ranking than a single missile corvette. It is an amateurish way to consider the question. A better understanding of the RSN’s capability is found here: The 5 Most Deadly Navies in Asia. According to them, the RSN is the 4th deadliest navy in Asia, not just Southeast Asia.

In terms of naval power within Southeast Asian nations, Singapore has the most advanced navy. This includes a lot more submarines than we care to admit to. However, we can look at we do have that is declassified.

Singapore fields six Formidable-class stealth frigates. They are our derivative of the French Navy's La Fayette-class frigate. There is no equivalent in the region, outside the USN. This gives us an anti-air blanket that allows us to shoot planes with impunity since none of our immediate neighbours have the technology to lock on, let alone interdict them.

Singapore fields six victory class corvettes, which have anti-submarine capability. They are the fastest vessels in the fleet. As a quick response force, they have the ability to detect and hunt down any submarine in the shallow waters of Southeast Asia.
Singapore will retire its Endurance-class LSTs after 2020. They will be replaced with the Joint Multi Mission Ship. The JMMS is essentially an aircraft carrier in all but name. Coupled with Singapore’s intent to evaluate the purchase of the F-35s, which have STOL capability, this is an obvious leap in force projection.

Singapore is the only country in Southeast Asia that has an extensive sea and air heavy lift capability. This means it has the actual capability to send a significant military force to take ground elsewhere.

Indonesia, for example, for all its manpower, does not have that capability. We can see this from their delayed response during natural disasters such as the Aceh tsunami. Indonesia tried a short cut to make up for their lack of surface craft by mass purchasing from the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) Navy in 1992. The initial acquisition was thirty-nine used craft of various types. This swelled to more than sixty ships, and numerous smaller vessels. Based on this, sites such as Global Firepower Ranking claim that Indonesia has a strong naval presence. What is not considered is that these vessels were built to function in colder North Atlantic waters, not tropical waters. The tropics severely degraded them, and they were essentially scrap by the time they arrived. They were also obsolete upon purchase, and Indonesia did not set aside the funds to upgrade them. The Asian Financial Crisis ended any such notions.

Malaysia’s military is in even worse shape. They cannot even secure their coastline against ragtag militants from Sabah, let alone a modern navy. Corruption also ensured that whatever they did purchase was obsolete, non-performing or simply never turned up. Malaysia has submarines they dare not put out to sea because they are so unsafe, they would kill their own crew before any hostile action did. Their surface craft are outdated, and due to a lack of training and poor management, they are not a cohesive fighting force.

Vietnam has a large military, but their equipment is obsolete. They are currently in a modernisation phase, and have not reached the level where they can look at doctrine and force multiplication. As Vietnam’s economy improves and the country gets wealthier, this will be remedied, but they are thirty years behind.

Thailand has a good military, but the navy has been neglected when compared to the Army, which makes sense because they have porous land borders to secure. Thailand did flirt with the idea of having an aircraft carrier, but that is a vanity project when they do not have adequate surface fleet support. Aircraft carriers do not function on their own.
Brunei has the wealth, but it is run like Disneyland. They bought several dozen helicopters when they had only two pilots then. They managed to wreck a patrol craft by grounding it on rocks, in their own waters, during sea trial, and refused to pay BAE for the damage. They are a bigger threat to themselves.

The Philippines has no functioning navy to speak of. Most of their tiny budget is spent on beefing up their anti-insurgency capabilities. Whilst there is a need to secure their littoral waters, there is a greater need to quell two insurgencies: one in the restive South, and the Communist NPA in Luzon’s interior.

Singapore’s military budget dwarfs the rest of Southeast Asia, and it shows. Whether in terms of overall budget, which is in excess of US$10 billion, in terms of per capita spending, which is just over US$1,500 per soldier, no country has that sort of money, and the technology gap is huge.

Additionally, because we have the money, we have the means to run regular exercises, which our less wealthy neighbours cannot. For example, there was an FPDA exercise where Singapore sent its F-16s; the UK and Australia sent their fighter wings. Malaysia sent a Cessna, because they could not get their aircraft airworthy due to neglect and a lack of investment in parts.

In a series of exercises almost thirty years ago, the SAF, Angkatan Tentera Malaysia, and the Australian Defence Force amongst others, went up against a US carrier fleet playing Opfor. The carrier itself was found off Butterworth, by the Australians, not Malaysians. A carrier is not a small vessel. This demonstrates how useless the Malaysians were then. I doubt anything has changed when an entire airliner, MH370, could disappear in 2014, and Malaysian radar was not able to track it.

The other significant development in this exercise was that the RSAF was able to “sink” an entire US carrier fleet, which both demonstrated our competence, and jolted the USN into major doctrinal changes. Prior to this, only the IAF had managed it.
The RSN exercises regularly, and that includes a lot of live firing exercises. This is something only a wealthy nation can afford. It also exercises with foreign navies, especially the USN, and has exchange programmes. We deploy for humanitarian missions, which gives us a lot of experience.

In terms of doctrine, the RSN is in the process of deploying a drone fleet, as well as beefing up its command and control. It is also investing in the less sexy aspects of running a navy, such as using small diagnostics and data analytics for enhanced maritime security, and a faster turnaround time for vessels in dock.

Another aspect that we have that no other naval force indigenous to Southeast Asia has, is investing significantly in is satellites and signals intelligence. You cannot fight an enemy if you do not know where they are. And we have significant electronic countermeasure capabilities. They cannot shoot their missiles at us if they cannot lock on to us.

Contributing to the staying power of the RSN is our indigenous shipbuilding capability. Singapore does not just buy its weapon systems off the shelf. We buy entire production lines and technologies, and we modify them and build on them. This is a lesson we learned during the Konfrontasi, when Bofors, of Sweden, refused to supply more ammunition to Malaya. Because we make our own weapons, and we build our own ships, we do not worry that our arms suppliers might decide to cut us off due to political pressure.

The RSN does not shout its capabilities from the rooftops, but to those who genuinely have an understanding of force analysis, it is quite obviously the big fish in a small pond. Singaporeans have every right to be proud of our navy, and the people who serve in it.

And from David Boey, prob the most knowledgeable and experienced insider on stinky armed forces reporting for syonan times for decades on defence issues, now retired or retrenched (?) from syonan times

If the Full Force Potential of 185 Squadron, the RSN's FFS squadron, goes out to sea, the six warships could potentially embark 144 Harpoon missiles.

Assuming four missiles are kept in reserve for ship self-defence and one FFS deployed close to Singapore Territorial Waters to add her Aster 15s for sea-based air defence, a missile strike by just five Formidables could bring into play up to 100 Harpoons fired in a coordinated salvo (Unlikely as this is a gross overkill. There is nothing afloat that can absorb and survive an attack by 100 Harpoons at one go. The ROI can still be achieved with fewer birds launched) or launched at intervals in sufficient numbers and with varying flight profiles to saturate the target vessel(s) defensive aids.

Subsonic, short legged harpoon SSM are outdated decades old SSM btw.

So yeah, I think it's fair to say, aircraft carriers and carrier battle groups are more hype than substance.

No full fledged war been waged by any aircraft carrier navy (blue water navy) against a decent/relatively big and independent military.

Like IRan, or even North Korea. No question abt Tiongs or Russia. Or some other countries.

Easy to sink multiple CBG for a moderately capable country.


Tiong leadership is just too cowardly.

Let's see if Iranian talk is all bravado and bluster or got some substance in it.

 

[ChanRasjid]

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/477558-iran-trump-nuclear-fordow/
A very informative article here about how Trump's threat may have no bite. There are important US military bases in Kuwait, Qatar UAE that would be sitting ducks against Iranian missiles. Also further escalation may have Iran includes economic targets like Saudi oil facilities, etc.

So US may not be able to carry out it's 52-target threat unless it goes nuclear!

Chan Rasjid.

 

[ChanRasjid]

It was reported in some Chinese news site that Khamenei explicitly said there will be retaliations. Firstly, proportionate retaliation; secondly, it will be carried out directly by the Iran military.

So difficult to see if or how a full fledge US-Iran war may ensue.

Rasjid.

 

[Rogue Trader]

It was reported in some Chinese news site that Khamenei explicitly said there will be retaliations. Firstly, proportionate retaliation; secondly, it will be carried out directly by the Iran military.

So difficult to see if or how a full fledge US-Iran war may ensue.

Rasjid.

Yeah just waiting for shit to happen

 

[tanwahtiu]

Pussy war is possible. Trump love pussies...

 

[eatshitndie]

don't need to fight. stampede at funeral kills 56.

 

[Rogue Trader]

don't need to fight. stampede at funeral kills 56.

.... with 13 critically injured?

 

[glockman]

don't need to fight. stampede at funeral kills 56.

Why was there a stampede? Free food? Otherwise I can't see any reason for it. It's not like the blown to bits corpse of the general was going anywhere. So what's there to hurry?

 

[syed putra]

War has started which went against my prediction.
Iran fired ballistic missiles at US bases.
US bases in afghanistan which lies next door could be targetted by talibans.
And those bases in saudi, who knows. 15% of saudis are shiites. 50% of kuwaitis are shiites.

 

[eatshitndie]

.... with 13 critically injured?

69.

 

[whoami]

War has started which went against my prediction.
Iran fired ballistic missiles at US bases.
US bases in afghanistan which lies next door could be targetted by talibans.
And those bases in saudi, who knows. 15% of saudis are shiites. 50% of kuwaitis are shiites.

Ayah. Thru deceits n lies. Tats how US instigated war on his adversaries all along. Any body can hit US interest n US will conveniently finger pointing at Persia.

 

[ChanRasjid]

I think it is almost certain that a US-Iran war will escalate. War is not just for material gains, but a lot about "honor". It is unthinkable that the US will not respond to this missile attacks on their Iraqi airbases. It is also unlikely to be a walkover as with the conquest of Iraq. Iran is the middle east superpower with weapons developed on their own.

I believe Ali Khamenei knows Iran's ability to wage war with the US very well. As a leader (for many years?), he must have been briefed by his military advisers over the years. So when he said retaliation will be directly by Iran's own military, it is not something said lightly out of a moment's anger. I believe his statements are not made without discussions with other members of the Iranian leadership. So on Iran's side, it would be a great dishonor for them not to fight to the end. This is Iran, not Saddam Hussein! As a Muslim, I could feel how the Iran leadership is thinking. This war also is about the honor of Islam and about being Muslim. If Iran were to be intimidated by the US military might and back off against outright injustice, then Iranians will never be able to hold their heads high ever again. Remember how the early Christians were thrown to the lions, but they still would not deny their religion. It is the same with the Iranians.

It seems a peaceful settlement for the assassination of Soleimani is highly unlikely. How the rest of the world may be pulled in is anybody's guess.

The global economy too will be affected seriously. The stock markets now do not seem to sense the danger yet. If it's me, I will immediately sell all stocks.

Rasjid.