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Serious Tharman: the Language of Politics

yahoo55

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Great article by Chris Kuan to pick apart Tharman's rally speech yesterday.



https://www.facebook.com/notes/chris-kuan/tharman-the-language-of-politics/478684325654994

Tharman: the Language of Politics

Chris Kuan·
Friday, May 6, 2016


Mr. Tharman was the star of yesterday's show reading the MSM and according to the Middle Ground. (http://themiddleground.sg/2016/05/0...). Let us pick apart what he said.

Mr. Tharman alluded that Dr Chee Soon Juan did not seem aware of the programs rolled out for the elderly such as the Pioneer Generation Package and Medisave top ups. He said spending on the elderly was the largest increase in the Budget.

The PGP looks large at over 2% of GDP when it was expensed in the 2015 budget but this is a prime example of government obfuscation. The PGP is disbursed over 20 years at a pace of $500m a year - barely more than 0.1% of GDP. This is the figure we should be debating and it is less spending a year than the amount allocated to the People's Association. And is this such a ballyhoo when it is an increase from a very low base?

Mr. Tharman said the SDP is telling people only the good things about its proposals, such as how its proposal to provide universal healthcare would be costly, as evidenced by its example, France. The French spend 20 per cent of their income on tax for healthcare.

This is a repeat performance from last year. In both cases, Tharman spoke of high taxes and avoided mentioning the range of benefits. In the case of healthcare, he did not mention the free to low co-payment of healthcare expenses. No French will be obligated to sell their homes to finance their healthcare or for that matter retirement. Every time Tharman and the other Ministers mention high taxes, they did not mention the social entitlements received from paying those high taxes. One of the biggest obfuscation is that Singapore taxes are "low" because social security payments, i.e. CPF contributions, are not treated as tax whereas in many 1st world countries, social security payments are bundled together with taxes. Let us not even get into the range of benefits and entitlements received.

Mr. Tharman conceded that Dr Chee's idea of retrenchment insurance is not a crazy idea but said that he avoided mentioning the cost of setting it up.

I find this box standard response from Mr.Tharman and again from all his PAP colleagues when they spoke in and out of Parliament extremely tiresome. The entire cost-benefit proposition for more social spending like out of work benefits and social insurance rests entirely on controlling expenditures or foregoing the benefits. They never mention reallocating spending within the budget or an increase in taxes at the top quintile who had huge advantages such as barely taxed capital income on their invested assets.

Take for example, this year Net Investment Return Contribution, which is 50% of the inflation adjusted earnings from the reserves, contributed $14.6b to the budget. Yet despite the much advertised increase in healthcare spending especially for the elderly, Mr. Tharman himself said healthcare spending will reach $12b by 2020 - that is 4 years from now and still less than the amount of spending available to the government from the Constitution prescribed reserves spending rule.

Okay I get it. This is politics and this is political language giving “the appearance of solidity to pure wind.” And this sort of obfuscation and one-sided rhetoric are par for course in the liberal democracies. ..... which is the reason the independent think tanks and the ever watchful media are fundamental to the eco-system of democracy?
 

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Another great article from Chris Kuan, this time to answer Chan Chun Sing's rally speech.



Why exactly does Singapore have triple-A ratings from all three credit rating agencies?

May 7, 2016

By Chris Kuan


Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office Chan Chun Sing also said at the People's Action Party rally on Friday that a candidate for Bukit Batok SMC by-election wanted to give the impression that “we are cheating Singaporeans”. But the market was not stupid, he said.

“Why is Singapore one of 11 countries in world that has triple-A ratings from all three credit rating agencies?” he pointed out.

I'll answer it for Chan Chun Sing even if he avoided the essential truths of the triple-A rating. That rating is mainly based on


1. The constitution rule that forbids the government from running deficits over the parliamentary term.

2. The massive year-on-year budget surpluses ran by the government, amounting to an average of nearly 10% of GDP per year over the past 15 years alone.

Those budget surpluses that underpins the government finances do not appear out of the blue and they certainly do not result from some magical fiscal policy formula. Those surpluses results from selling land at ever increasing prices, excess returns from investing debt proceeds which includes CPF and low social expenditures.

In other words, those triple-A ratings are paid for by the people and by denying them financial security in retirement and healthcare.

And just to be clear, Norway and Singapore are the only ones among the 11 triple-A rated countries that have long-term budget surpluses. That means countries do not need to have budget surpluses to be rated triple-A, sustainable deficits will be enough. Norway's long-term surpluses are from natural endowments, as for Singapore's...... let's put it this way, a transfer of wealth from households to the state.
 

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Chris Kuan shot himself in the foot with this. He obviously does not know how ratings agencies work and why the World relies on them. The issues is not the Triple A ratings. It is how the benefits are distributed and if it reaches the majority in society. Are we spending in the right places or are we furthering the interest of a select few. The gini coefficient clearly shows a dismal and worsening position.

Chan Chun Sing threw this out because he suspected that the clueless will not understand and he was proven right. Nobody gives a fuck if Singapore is Triple A rated if people lose their jobs and cannot look after their families.
 

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Chris Kuan shot himself in the foot with this. He obviously does not know how ratings agencies work and why the World relies on them. The issues is not the Triple A ratings. It is how the benefits are distributed and if it reaches the majority in society. Are we spending in the right places or are we furthering the interest of a select few. The gini coefficient clearly shows a dismal and worsening position.

Chan Chun Sing threw this out because he suspected that the clueless will not understand and he was proven right. Nobody gives a fuck if Singapore is Triple A rated if people lose their jobs and cannot look after their families.

So please tell us how it works then since you know much more than him.
 

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Chris Kuan shot himself in the foot with this. He obviously does not know how ratings agencies work and why the World relies on them. The issues is not the Triple A ratings. It is how the benefits are distributed and if it reaches the majority in society. Are we spending in the right places or are we furthering the interest of a select few. The gini coefficient clearly shows a dismal and worsening position.

Chan Chun Sing threw this out because he suspected that the clueless will not understand and he was proven right. Nobody gives a fuck if Singapore is Triple A rated if people lose their jobs and cannot look after their families.

Give Chris Kuan a break. Why you criticize him? For what?
 

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Chris Kuan shot himself in the foot with this. He obviously does not know how ratings agencies work and why the World relies on them. The issues is not the Triple A ratings. It is how the benefits are distributed and if it reaches the majority in society. Are we spending in the right places or are we furthering the interest of a select few. The gini coefficient clearly shows a dismal and worsening position.

Chan Chun Sing threw this out because he suspected that the clueless will not understand and he was proven right. Nobody gives a fuck if Singapore is Triple A rated if people lose their jobs and cannot look after their families.

He does not know and u know?economist of 21 years and head of currency markets for various companies based in tokyo and london.pls tell us how rating agencies work and how they rated trillions of toxic junk bonds as triple a and fucked up big time.
 
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Chris Kuan shot himself in the foot with this. He obviously does not know how ratings agencies work and why the World relies on them. The issues is not the Triple A ratings. It is how the benefits are distributed and if it reaches the majority in society. Are we spending in the right places or are we furthering the interest of a select few. The gini coefficient clearly shows a dismal and worsening position.

Chan Chun Sing threw this out because he suspected that the clueless will not understand and he was proven right. Nobody gives a fuck if Singapore is Triple A rated if people lose their jobs and cannot look after their families.

Fuck off, you PAP cock sucker
 

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Give Chris Kuan a break. Why you criticize him? For what?

Scroobal is a PAP mole. Most of the time, he pretends to be pro oppo, then look at all his comments whacking CSJ during the BB by elections. He is nothing more then a PAP asshole, but a devious one. At least johnTan is upfront and you know where he is coming from, Scroobal pretends to be something he is not. He must be Indian.
 

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Another great article from Chris Kuan, this time to answer Chan Chun Sing's rally speech.



Why exactly does Singapore have triple-A ratings from all three credit rating agencies?

May 7, 2016

By Chris Kuan


Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office Chan Chun Sing also said at the People's Action Party rally on Friday that a candidate for Bukit Batok SMC by-election wanted to give the impression that “we are cheating Singaporeans”. But the market was not stupid, he said.

“Why is Singapore one of 11 countries in world that has triple-A ratings from all three credit rating agencies?” he pointed out.

I'll answer it for Chan Chun Sing even if he avoided the essential truths of the triple-A rating. That rating is mainly based on


1. The constitution rule that forbids the government from running deficits over the parliamentary term.

2. The massive year-on-year budget surpluses ran by the government, amounting to an average of nearly 10% of GDP per year over the past 15 years alone.

Those budget surpluses that underpins the government finances do not appear out of the blue and they certainly do not result from some magical fiscal policy formula. Those surpluses results from selling land at ever increasing prices, excess returns from investing debt proceeds which includes CPF and low social expenditures.

In other words, those triple-A ratings are paid for by the people and by denying them financial security in retirement and healthcare.

And just to be clear, Norway and Singapore are the only ones among the 11 triple-A rated countries that have long-term budget surpluses. That means countries do not need to have budget surpluses to be rated triple-A, sustainable deficits will be enough. Norway's long-term surpluses are from natural endowments, as for Singapore's...... let's put it this way, a transfer of wealth from households to the state.

This guy Chris Kuan is very knowledgeable and spot on. Thanks for bringing up his postings.
 

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Indeed, citizens are getting smarter now. That is why we need more foreigners, so we can cheat them too! Don't stop! Let the cash registers ring-a-ling-ding away!
 

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Scroobal is a PAP mole. Most of the time, he pretends to be pro oppo, then look at all his comments whacking CSJ during the BB by elections. He is nothing more then a PAP asshole, but a devious one. At least johnTan is upfront and you know where he is coming from, Scroobal pretends to be something he is not. He must be Indian.

no wonder he's totally clueless when we code our messages in 漢語. used to think he is dhanabalan the midget, kena slapped jialak jialak by someone tall.
 
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The real economist with double first Class Honours in economics from cambridge:
Why Chris Kuan is wrong?
https://sonofadud.com/2016/02/24/wh...rnment-finances-no-just-s174-billion-missing/

the ah neh pretending to be chink contradicted and convoluted himself when he brings up the gini coefficient to explain why "distribution of benefits" and how they "reach majority of society" are tied to how ratings agencies work. wtf??! either that or the composition is very poor. this is totally nobel laureate gobbledygook.
 

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Indeed, citizens are getting smarter now. That is why we need more foreigners, so we can cheat them too! Don't stop! Let the cash registers ring-a-ling-ding away!

No. Citizens are not getting smarter. We don't need more foreigners but we should not be cheating anyone. Stop the cash registers. :wink:
 

frenchbriefs

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so why is singapore one of the few countries in the world to be given a triple a rating?even though its kinda irrelevant....it just means the gov bonds are not totally worth shit?
 
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