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Shanmugam's lawyer send letter to Alex Au, attempt to trace Scroobal unsuccessful

eatshitndie

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Smart move. By remaining silent, doesn't look good for Shan. What's next? Take legal action. Coz he is innocent? Or coz the IDs of 'offenders' not traceable? Or, even if traceable, need not go further? Win-win. Damage control. No wonder he is Law minister.

basically, scroo forced his hand. he must have irked a miss chua by calling her out on the ysl piece and repeating claims about shan's alleged misconduct. apples for apples, vagina for vagina, gonads for gonads, prick for prick. no one else to blame but himself for forcing the issue.
 

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basically, scroo forced his hand. he must have irked a miss chua by calling her out on the ysl piece and repeating claims about shan's alleged misconduct. apples for apples, vagina for vagina, gonads for gonads, prick for prick. no one else to blame but himself for forcing the issue.

If I was Shan, I would have done the same thing. Silence kills! To actually proceed could be fatal coz opening up more cans of worms. Many similar others could be dragged in too. What Shan did was predictable.
 

eatshitndie

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If I was Shan, I would have done the same thing. Silence kills! To actually proceed could be fatal coz opening up more cans of worms. Many similar others could be dragged in too. What Shan did was predictable.

they know who scroo is but pretends that he is untraceable. good way of setting expectations....and hopefully the matter will die off. but it's a warning shot.
 

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a subpoena or warrant from a court order would break all protection around strong vpn anonymity. authorities have the wherewithal to deep dive into details if they choose to or are ordered to do so. there's no hiding on this friggin planet if it's an international cooperative effort. north korea, afghanistan, cuba or iran may be better bets in getting offline and not having your last activity traced. since this is a civil case, it will not garner the best resources and assistance from cyber teams.

in sg, the traceability is tight. even if a forummer runs around from internet cafe to hotspots and use someone else's laptop to post libelous content, the ida in sg with the help of isp's has methodically pinned traceability down to a subscriber, user, organization, or enterprise. tetherers need permission from account owners or their associates to get access to the internet in sg. the owner of the account may be innocent, clueless or ignorant of a tetherer's posting on the internet, and he she may be forgiven or waived but will be asked to assist in investigations. sooner or later, someone will snitch and reveal identities. that's how hackers are caught even if they float around and rely on someone else's access to the web.

Well ppl that mooch off others internet connections aren't obviously known to the person that they mooch off. For the case of ppl that post from internet cafes at the most they would get is the person's picture if the cafe has a security camera. I don't think they require ppl to use their id to use the internet cafe. As for usage of hot spots, i gather that the hotspot owners record down the device ID of every user. So suppose someone posts say a seditious statement on a forum from a hotspot. Police come down to investigate. They record all details like the mac id of the person posting that. Therefore once the mac id has been recorded will they be alerted to every post made by this user in future? Aware me on this. I don't think forums are able to record down the mac id of someone's pc,phone and so on.
 

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Really a clever move. You can hardly see much efforts by the legal counsel to actually trace those nicks and blogs and the only one was Alex Au who is identified and they told him to remove only.

If Shan sued, he will be exposed. If he won, he will be damaged. This is to separate himself from the Yaw saga. Real smart.
 

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Really a clever move. You can hardly see much efforts by the legal counsel to actually trace those nicks and blogs and the only one was Alex Au who is identified and they told him to remove only.

If Shan sued, he will be exposed. If he won, he will be damaged. This is to separate himself from the Yaw saga. Real smart.


Those who use their real identities online will not get into any real trouble as long as they don't cross the OB markers.

But the authorities will regularly use these folks to send a warning message to anonymous net users, or to instil fear.

Andrew Loh, Choo Zheng Xi, Rachel Zeng, Mathia Lee, Alex Au, etc, should know what I mean. Andrew Loh has been called up for a police interview because as former TOC editor he once posted a flyer on TOC's webpage that was written by a madman. Choo Zheng Xi has been tackled and harassed by Wayang Party Club. Ditto Rachel and Mathia. Today, it is Alex Au who is served a lawyer letter asking him to take down a comment. At least they had the decency to leave out the key words "OR ELSE". I am sure Alex Au knows exactly what is going on and is secretly giggling.
 

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a subpoena or warrant from a court order would break all protection around strong vpn anonymity. authorities have the wherewithal to deep dive into details if they choose to or are ordered to do so. there's no hiding on this friggin planet if it's an international cooperative effort. north korea, afghanistan, cuba or iran may be better bets in getting offline and not having your last activity traced. since this is a civil case, it will not garner the best resources and assistance from cyber teams.


StrongVPN was never meant to be a cover for, or enabler of, criminal activity. The reason why lawful people use it is to bypass censorship and access information. Breaking down information barriers. I know some of you think its just my highfalutin way of saying "surfing porn" but I assure you it is not.
 

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Scroobal is a valuable contributor here besides many others and I hope we can donate to fight the case if he ever got sued.
 

eatshitndie

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Well ppl that mooch off others internet connections aren't obviously known to the person that they mooch off. For the case of ppl that post from internet cafes at the most they would get is the person's picture if the cafe has a security camera. I don't think they require ppl to use their id to use the internet cafe. As for usage of hot spots, i gather that the hotspot owners record down the device ID of every user. So suppose someone posts say a seditious statement on a forum from a hotspot. Police come down to investigate. They record all details like the mac id of the person posting that. Therefore once the mac id has been recorded will they be alerted to every post made by this user in future? Aware me on this. I don't think forums are able to record down the mac id of someone's pc,phone and so on.

not device id. in sg, it's a combo of time stamp, security cam shots, and snitching. for visitors without an established isp account, at hotspots, they have to register with passport number and valid local address to get passwords, even for free public wi-fi. at the airport, visitor can use terminals for online access but there are cams to track use and time of use. for those with a laptop, tablet or smartphone, to get free wi-fi, they need to trade passport number at the desk for userid and password. i've posted about this many threads ago on this very subject.
 

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Likely identity of Dr Joseph Ong's stalker and SBF Scroobal's expose
by The Temasek Review on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:30am ·


This was re-posted from an email from a friend of Dr Joseph Ong and has been posted elsewhere on Facebook. It is supposed to be within her inner circle only and so we are omitting the details and summarizing the gist of it.



We are posting this to warn Sammyboy forumers that their identities may already have been exposed.


This stalker is a long-time forumer of the old Sammyboy Delphi Forum before it was transferred to the new forum three years ago. He has a history of stalking and harassing other people in the past for no good reasons whatsoever. One of his past victims was a lawyer from an opposition party in Singapore whom he accused of commiting adultery with a client's wife. He was flaming him for an entire year and the matter was even reported in Shin Min Daily with photographs taken of his law film. Another poor blogger was also flamed mercilessly by him for two years.


In the new Sammyboy forum, he used the monikers of "TRWatch", "wayangpartyclub", "Thick Face Black Heart", "cleareyes" and a host of other clones where he posted using TOR network or proxies most of the time except in a few instances from his office. He was attacking Temasek Review, accusing it of plagiarism for an entire year in 2009 before switching the attention to Dr Ong last year October.


He lives and works in Singapore and is reportedly a member of an opposition party. He has met up with a few forumers from Sammyboy forum including its moderator "Scroobal" whose IP address (Singtel) has been traced by Dr Ong's IT forensics team and passed to the Singapore police. Scroobal is famous for spilling leaks on the private lives of PAP leaders like Shanmugam and Foo Mee Har.


He is suspected to have links with two founding members of a popular socio-political blog based in Singapore (not TR) who were alleged to have tailed Dr Ong and taken photographs of him secretly when he attended the minibond rallies in 2008. They reportedly circulated his photographs around to ask for his identity.



The stalker was one of the photographers at the SDP pre-election rally on 24 September 2011. Dr Ong attended the rally with a friend where photographs of him were taken, blown up and used in his defamatory article on a notorious U.S. Porn site to defame him.



Dr Ong has already narrowed the list of suspects to three persons and has engaged private investigators to investigate the matter. He was unfazed by the harassment as it does not affect his career, adding that he was not very keen to pursue the matter initially, but was compelled to do so now to protect his friends and colleagues who were harassed by this stalker in the latest episode. They were advised to lodge separate police reports on the harassment by this stalker. Past victims of this psychotic stalker may like to contact Dr Ong to sue him together once his identity is out. He needs to see a psychiatrist urgently and get himself treated before he hurts more innocent people.



Dr Ong implored his contacts who know the person of “TRWatch”, "wayangpartyclub", "Thick Face Black Heart" or "cleareyes" in real life to step forward and inform the Investigating Officer ASP Jonathan Chua at [email protected] (tel: 6218 000) to confirm his identity. The police has classified the case as 'criminal intimidation' and the case no is CM-3926-10.



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      Sophia Ong Oh God, Scroobal is involved too?<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 2:12am" data-utime="1314522728">August 28, 2011 at 2:12am</abbr>

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      Edmund Khor long story.. old duel.. it dated back to the old delphi sammyboy after GE2006..

      they believe dr ong was the one harrassing them then.. WP members e.g. GMS was targeted<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 2:40am" data-utime="1314524412">August 28, 2011 at 2:40am</abbr>
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      Stanley Tan Perry Tong was attacked by scroobal too. he seems to be the PAP IB.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 4:35am" data-utime="1314531335">August 28, 2011 at 4:35am</abbr>

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      Sayse Dar srew tony tan!!<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 4:56am" data-utime="1314532565">August 28, 2011 at 4:56am</abbr> · 1

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      Singapore United Against Biased Media Dear Temasek Review - this page is dedicated to you - we're not very happy that you choose to take sides during the PE. Are you serving alternative news for the public or are you serving one particular party or individual? Think about it - there has never been a media which officially endorses any individual because the media is meant for the people<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 6:34am" data-utime="1314538455">August 28, 2011 at 6:34am</abbr> · 5

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      Lim Meng Yong Hey TR. I suspect Scroobal is a high ranking police guy. He slipped once, saying "I'll tell all the guys in my division to help out...."<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 8:02am" data-utime="1314543754">August 28, 2011 at 8:02am</abbr> · 1

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      The Temasek Review ‎@Edmund:

      If they have proof, they should lodge a police report against Dr Ong. They are simply getting an easy scapegoat to hang. Come out and confront him like a real man, not hide and take cheap potshots from behind. It seems that GMS i...s still getting harassed, so who is the real cuprit?

      Scroobal is deadmeat this time. He is gonna be charged for criminal defamation and sued by PAP leaders till he is bankrupted going by the amount of malicious lies he has spread about them over the years.

      Heard this time many SBF forumers will get into trouble. If you have an account there, better delete everything and don't visit it ever again.See More
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      Lim Meng Yong Hey TR! Scroobal ever posted that the police already knew everyone in the TR and it's a matter of time before they strike. I read that maybe about a week ago in the new sammyboys forum.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 8:05am" data-utime="1314543946">August 28, 2011 at 8:05am</abbr>

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      The Temasek Review ‎@Lim Meng Yong:

      Scroobal is a LIAR. He pretends to have some insider info, but most are hogwash. Dr Ong should just pass his IP to Shanmugam who will be very keen to meet Scroobal in person. And if you have a SBF account, delete everything and don't visit it again.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 8:05am" data-utime="1314543954">August 28, 2011 at 8:05am</abbr> · 1

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      The Temasek Review ‎@Lim Meng Yong:

      That's another hogwash by him. Let's see whether he can still talk big when his identity is exposed in real life.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 8:09am" data-utime="1314544145">August 28, 2011 at 8:09am</abbr>

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      Lim Meng Yong Hey TR. What's the danger of keeping the sammyboy account? Samuel Leong is selling us out?<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 8:11am" data-utime="1314544296">August 28, 2011 at 8:11am</abbr>
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      Malvado Yeo TR, as a so-called alternative media, you sound as you are trying to scaremonger netizens away from your competition at SBF.

      Worse still, by attacking SBF and the forummers who talk about JO, you sound as if you are JO himself, or, at leas...t acting on his behalf.

      In so doing, are you not clumsily simply confirming the continued "involvement" of JO with TR?

      And talking about stalking - is that not what Wayang Party (TR's predecessor under JO) used to do?

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      The Temasek Review ‎@Drommel:

      It's easy to hurl baseless accusations. Where's the proof that WP or TR have been stalking others? Are you a victim yourself?<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 8:59am" data-utime="1314547141">August 28, 2011 at 8:59am</abbr>

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      The Temasek Review ‎@Drommel:

      And SBF is hardly a competitor. Maybe TOC. Who reads SBF? There are many crankpots, perverts and psychos there. It has long ceased to be a source of news. Even the PAP don't bother to respond to the wild allegations made there nowadays.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 9:05am" data-utime="1314547509">August 28, 2011 at 9:05am</abbr> · 3

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      Sophia Ong only gms responds to sbf haha<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 9:28am" data-utime="1314548919">August 28, 2011 at 9:28am</abbr>
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      Stanley Tan i think scroobal is a reporter from the political desk.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 10:12am" data-utime="1314551570">August 28, 2011 at 10:12am</abbr>

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      Emeritus Robox Kill Scroobal. NOW! He is a cancer that must not be allowed to spread.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 1:27pm" data-utime="1314563222">August 28, 2011 at 1:27pm</abbr> · 1

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      The Temasek Review ‎@Robox:

      If you know anything about Scroobal, just pm us. Lodge a police report against him for criminal defamation. For the ridiculous lies he spewed about the private lives of Shanmugam and Foo Mee Har, the police will definitely investigate.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 4:05pm" data-utime="1314572727">August 28, 2011 at 4:05pm</abbr> · 1

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      The Temasek Review Looks like Scroobal chickened out and got Sam Leong to transfer the forum to a new server, but it's too late. TR readers who visit SBF, please delete all your accounts immediately. This is not fear-mongering.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 4:20pm" data-utime="1314573649">August 28, 2011 at 4:20pm</abbr>

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      Emeritus Robox TR. I don't know Scroobal personally, just from the old SBF and reading the current SBF. He thinks he is some great political analyst, but he really is just a spiteful gossip who defames incessantly. I wish I could help you to get him nailed, but I really only know as much as any other netizen does.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 5:41pm" data-utime="1314578475">August 28, 2011 at 5:41pm</abbr>

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      The Temasek Review ‎@Robox:

      Heard Scroobal was a former police inspector who is now with a local media company. Anyway, his identity should be out soon unless he leaves Singapore for good.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 10:04pm" data-utime="1314594268">August 28, 2011 at 10:04pm</abbr>

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      Emeritus Robox TRE, he seems very in tuned to the media establishment as well, especially ST. I believe some of what he says about it because two of my siblings were from the media as well, one ST and the other one BT. But most of what he talks about is pure gossip. Yes, please, do whatever is in your power to take him down. I wish I could help, because I really think he is a cancer. But unfortunately, I don;t know how.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 10:31pm" data-utime="1314595877">August 28, 2011 at 10:31pm</abbr>

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      The Temasek Review ‎@Robox:

      If you are free, can ask the SBF forumers when you are there. Some of them have met Scroobal and TRWatch for tea. GMS and PMonkey10 may know him in person as well. So long he's in Singapore and somebody has met him before, it is not that difficult to trace.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 10:37pm" data-utime="1314596246">August 28, 2011 at 10:37pm</abbr>

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      Emeritus Robox TRE, I am not registered on SBF and don't post there. But I can think up of ways to penetrate. I am very skilled with subversive action, so I hope that you will trust me. Therefore, this cannot happen anytime soon; it would be too suspicious. And despite this very open posting, I know how to catch someone by surprise. And if and when I do get any information, I will be sure to contact you.<abbr title="Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 10:51pm" data-utime="1314597111">August 28, 2011 at 10:51pm</abbr>
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Dr Ong has already narrowed the list of suspects to three persons and has engaged private investigators to investigate the matter. He was unfazed by the harassment as it does not affect his career, adding that he was not very keen to pursue the matter initially, but was compelled to do so now to protect his friends and colleagues who were harassed by this stalker in the latest episode. They were advised to lodge separate police reports on the harassment by this stalker. Past victims of this psychotic stalker may like to contact Dr Ong to sue him together once his identity is out. He needs to see a psychiatrist urgently and get himself treated before he hurts more innocent people.

Career? What career? A stuck locum? Joseph Ong is a mental case. And the fucking PAP have seen it fit to "turn" a fucking mad man! Temasek Review or whatever fuck the name changes, you are fucking crazy to even even bother to read let alone post in that trap hole! Fuck his mother cheebye!:oIo:
 

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not device id. in sg, it's a combo of time stamp, security cam shots, and snitching. for visitors without an established isp account, at hotspots, they have to register with passport number and valid local address to get passwords, even for free public wi-fi. at the airport, visitor can use terminals for online access but there are cams to track use and time of use. for those with a laptop, tablet or smartphone, to get free wi-fi, they need to trade passport number at the desk for userid and password. i've posted about this many threads ago on this very subject.


ah i see i have not used free wifi for a very long time and am not aware they require u to sign in with your passport number. macdonalds i know provides free wifi but maybe no more. the other places are paid wifi.
 

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inform the Investigating Officer ASP Jonathan Chua at [email protected] (tel: 6218 000)


i know i know who scroobal is. i want to call asp chua. but 7 digits phone number only leh. how to call huh :biggrin:
 

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SAMMYBOY traffic going to shoot thru the roof!!!!! :biggrin: i tink this is a dumb move by shanmugam. coz now more ppl interested in his private life. :cool:
 
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