Alternative future of HK, I want your opinion guys

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Ok as we all know HK was leased to the brits for 99 and finally returned to china in 1997 but i would like to know your opinion if an alternate future took place instead.

Suppose the brits starting importing say ok turkish ppl to HK. What happened is that the population census of Hk ends up with more turkish people than chinese ppl and another race say indian ppl that make up the smallest minority in HK. So now HK has 3 of the most significant populations. Turkish are the majority at 75% while chinese number around 15% and indians at 10%.

Anyway in 1997 the brits return HK to china but at that time the govt of HK has a very ambitious and smart turk that not only runs the political party that runs HK and ends up being Hk's leader but somehow wants to enter politics in china. It's not really important but for whatever reason the big honchos in china's politics decide to throw out HK from the PRC. They don't want HK anymore the pearl of the orient. Therefore HK isn't a part of china anymore but an independent nation. Now HK is right next to china. The leader of HK being a turkish man decides to give china "face" and makes cantonese/chinese the national language of HK. The next step in securing the security of HK would be to force all the males of HK into serving mandatory military service whether it's air land or sea for 2 to 3 yrs.


HK is a seperate nation right next to a giant china and nearby is another country that has the same culture as china, taiwan. HK has a majority of turkish people in this alternate scenerio and they obviously don't belong in the region being alien to it i suppose. Anyway they run the govt of HK and they relegate the chinese citizens of HK into serving unimportant military units and prevent them from serving important units in any of HK's military and even political positions. The reason given is they are afraid that these HK chinese citizens might give away secrets to their relatives in neighbouring china. Anyway let me clarify this to you readers. In this world HK has more or less always been occupied by the chinese ppl. When the brits took over HK they brought in foreigners or ppl alien to the region. Turkish people. When the lease of HK expired they returned HK to china but china kicked HK out and didn't want HK to be part of china anymore.

Here's my question. Do you feel pity for the chinese citizens of HK that are being discriminated even though they have occupied HK for thousands of yrs but only recently had newcomers live in their country? Do you think that the chinese citizens in HK deserve pity even though the govt of china kicked HK out of china and not becos they were forced to give up HK. Do you think that the turkish ppl should be commended for making cantonese the national language of HK even though the majority of HK consist of turkish people and that chinese ppl only make up 15% of HK's population.

Let me remind you again that even though china kicked out HK it has always been inhabited by chinese ppl since HK is next to china therefore would you feel sorry for the chinese ppl based on the story i described?

Just tell your thoughts.

 

[psy83]

Look at Singapore and the Malays.

 

[psy83]

Btw... While reading your topic, It strongly resembled the Story of Singapore and The Malays. So maybe the emotions you are looking for or searching for can be found on how you and your fellow citizens view Singapore and Feel for the Malays.

 

[sammyboi]

the origin of honkies from HKSAR,China are from bloodline of Master Q a.k.a "LAU Fu Zhi" and "Ku Whak Zais" , thanks to Teng Chi Wha's era a beijing installed puppet to HK gov after handover.

the PRC gov installed him to dilute the HOnkie master Q's or aka LAO Fu Zhis, thus u can see more Lau Fu zhi migrated to SG or shenzen.

Most of these Lao Fu Zhi can't speak english.

i even have problems getting past issues of Master Q. can anyone help. i like his TIko Tiko character and his 2 country bumpkin sidekicks

 

[techiedick]

50 年不变 that was the promise to HK after 1997.

After 50 years if the landscape of politics in China changes then that is a different question. However if the same mode of governance remains about the same it would be what you see in Xinjiang and Tibet.

But the majority of HK is chinese they just want more political freedom not that they want to cede away.

they are still staunchly chinese in union.

Even if a Turk takes over it will still have to adhere to Chinese interest. If one day the turk mutiiples by many folds, there will be migration of Chinese from mainland. In one year they can swarm the whole island.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

50 年不变 that was the promise to HK after 1997.

After 50 years if the landscape of politics in China changes then that is a different question. However if the same mode of governance remains about the same it would be what you see in Xinjiang and Tibet.

But the majority of HK is chinese they just want more political freedom not that they want to cede away.

they are still staunchly chinese in union.

Even if a Turk takes over it will still have to adhere to Chinese interest. If one day the turk mutiiples by many folds, there will be migration of Chinese from mainland. In one year they can swarm the whole island.

Thanks for your opinion but would you feel sorry for the chinese hkers whom are living in HK?

 

[Sideswipe]

Hongkongers are a blessed lot. as a British colony, they were spared the chaos and madness of China 20th century. "one country, two systems" originally intended for Taiwan was given to Hongkong.

CEPA is one way in favor toward Hongkong. China is so nice to them, they still KPKB about their blood brothers.

 

[Agoraphobic]

In the scenario you painted:

The Turks, if they had political ambitions, come 1997, should end them. China is not going to let a non-Chinese be the top-dog in HK. Those (Turks) still remaining in HK in that critical stage should leave or plan to leave. If they want to stay, remain as working or business class. HK is next to the Dragon. If Beijing wants one dead in that territory, it is only a matter of how soon.

The fact that Beijing allows HK a certain amount of "autonomy" - those HKers should thanks their lucky stars and enjoy that freedom.

Cheers!

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Thanks for your opinion but would you feel sorry for the chinese hkers whom are living in HK?

Why dun you just say it out whether we should feel sorry for our malay countrymen?
Why go one big circle to ask a simple question?

 

[tanwahtiu]

If 20% of the PRC women (say 100 millions) married angmohs, or the Westerners, and still keep their PRC citizens then these 100 million angmohs will own China too, with association through legally married. Then the off springs of these marriages will have 200 millions (say 2 child each couple) Eurasian children.

Whatever will happen to HK after next 50 years does not matter.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Why dun you just say it out whether we should feel sorry for our malay countrymen?
Why go one big circle to ask a simple question?

Ah good question. The reason is pretty simple. Cos when you change the race somehow the reaction will also be different even though the situation is the same.

I posted about this on the recent kfc case. Go look up the kfc thread in which i mentioned if the customer is a chinese and the staff are malay it's the chinese person's fault now if the situation was exactly the same but the staff are chinese and the customer is malay guess whoose fault will it be this time? Hint: It's not the malay's.

Obviously from that observation i knew i had to change the race and hence put in HK but i made one mistake in that HK is attached to china and i should have chosen an island instead like maybe hainan island.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

In the scenario you painted:

The Turks, if they had political ambitions, come 1997, should end them. China is not going to let a non-Chinese be the top-dog in HK. Those (Turks) still remaining in HK in that critical stage should leave or plan to leave. If they want to stay, remain as working or business class. HK is next to the Dragon. If Beijing wants one dead in that territory, it is only a matter of how soon.

The fact that Beijing allows HK a certain amount of "autonomy" - those HKers should thanks their lucky stars and enjoy that freedom.

Cheers!

You forgot one thing. HK is now a totally independent country and not under china.

 

[Sir_Fcuk]

HK's future? Better than Singapore.

They have:
1) Fuck star Edison Chen
2) Gongfu Star Jackie Chan
3) China as hinterland
4) No LHL as prime minister

 

[Char_Azn]

Let me remind you again that even though china kicked out HK it has always been inhabited by chinese ppl since HK is next to china therefore would you feel sorry for the chinese ppl based on the story i described?

Just tell your thoughts.

You cannot really look at the relationship between HK and China like how SG or Taiwan is like to China. Unlike us, we pretty much broken off from them decades ago. The Chinese civil war split China and Taiwan but here's the thing with HK and China. HK never really broke off from China. Just look at the Rich dudes like Li Ka Shing, Lee Shau Kee, Cheng Yu Tung to Celebrities like Michael Hui and John Woo. Many of them have ties to China in 1 way or another.

The current problems with Hong Kong and Mainland China is more a case of the Chinese going into HK too fast too soon. It's like SG case however the similarities basically ends there. The difference being Hong Kong depends on China for just about everything. During the SARS crisis and the global economy crisis, China played a key role in pulling Hong Kong out of the recession.

And unlike SG, Hong Kong never integrated the other races into their community. When the British left HK, many Indians who served the British stayed behind. Their kids have problems getting into local schools coz they were never really recognized as one of them. I was there when they were running the report last July. The Hongkies are as Chinese as you can get. If you were to dump Turks into Hong Kong, it's not going to work. If you were to force the tactic onto the Hongkies, racial riots would break out and more likely then not a civil war.

Just look at SG. It took us more then a 40 years to get to where we are yet we still have a long way to go to fully integrate the various races together.

As it stands China will never kick HK out and China have become so important to HK that they won't totally reject them either. The problem with Hongkies and Chinese right now is that the current generation have mostly lived in British era and things were a lot different back then. Give them a generation or 2 and things will be a lot different. The pple will not have known what it was like to live in without China. The Hongkies understand this, they've never demanded independence just more autonomy. China is basically trying to use the same tactic on Taiwan.

 

[Char_Azn]

You forgot one thing. HK is now a totally independent country and not under china.

Not true. HK has no standing Army. All foreign affairs are managed by China. Their main food supplies comes from China. Many of their businesses depends on China one way or another. And unlike us, we have to break the bank and open the reserves to drag ourselves our of the the last 2 crisis (SARS and Global Financial Crisis), China basically the pulled Hong Kong out of trouble. As it stands Hong Kong cannot do with China. If China pulls out of Hong Kong immediately, Hong Kong will suffer badly. China is trying to pull the same stunt on Taiwan. The Taiwanese knows this which was why one of the main issue going into the last presidential election was to slow down the pace of doing Business with Taiwan

 

[Clone]

And unlike us, we have to break the bank and open the reserves to drag ourselves our of the the last 2 crisis (SARS and Global Financial Crisis), China basically the pulled Hong Kong out of trouble.

Sorry dude, whenever HK is out of trouble, we will also be out of trouble.

It's not exactly rocket science to "manage" an open economy like ours.

 

[Sideswipe]

As it stands China will never kick HK out and China have become so important to HK that they won't totally reject them either. The problem with Hongkies and Chinese right now is that the current generation have mostly lived in British era and things were a lot different back then. Give them a generation or 2 and things will be a lot different. The pple will not have known what it was like to live in without China. The Hongkies understand this, they've never demanded independence just more autonomy. China is basically trying to use the same tactic on Taiwan.

Hongkong only experienced degrees of autonomy or self-rule. Taiwan is de facto independent as a sovereign state since 1949. Taiwan's livelihood in future seems increasingly reliant on China but it's really hard to see future generations of Taiwanese leaders will ever accept official Chinese sovereignty over them. the current status quo will last for a long long time.

 

[Clone]

Hongkong only experienced degrees of autonomy or self-rule....

What will happen to Hong Kong in 2046? Anyone?

Still 马照跑、股照炒、舞照跳?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

You cannot really look at the relationship between HK and China like how SG or Taiwan is like to China. Unlike us, we pretty much broken off from them decades ago. The Chinese civil war split China and Taiwan but here's the thing with HK and China. HK never really broke off from China. Just look at the Rich dudes like Li Ka Shing, Lee Shau Kee, Cheng Yu Tung to Celebrities like Michael Hui and John Woo. Many of them have ties to China in 1 way or another.

The current problems with Hong Kong and Mainland China is more a case of the Chinese going into HK too fast too soon. It's like SG case however the similarities basically ends there. The difference being Hong Kong depends on China for just about everything. During the SARS crisis and the global economy crisis, China played a key role in pulling Hong Kong out of the recession.

And unlike SG, Hong Kong never integrated the other races into their community. When the British left HK, many Indians who served the British stayed behind. Their kids have problems getting into local schools coz they were never really recognized as one of them. I was there when they were running the report last July. The Hongkies are as Chinese as you can get. If you were to dump Turks into Hong Kong, it's not going to work. If you were to force the tactic onto the Hongkies, racial riots would break out and more likely then not a civil war.

Just look at SG. It took us more then a 40 years to get to where we are yet we still have a long way to go to fully integrate the various races together.

As it stands China will never kick HK out and China have become so important to HK that they won't totally reject them either. The problem with Hongkies and Chinese right now is that the current generation have mostly lived in British era and things were a lot different back then. Give them a generation or 2 and things will be a lot different. The pple will not have known what it was like to live in without China. The Hongkies understand this, they've never demanded independence just more autonomy. China is basically trying to use the same tactic on Taiwan.

Char no offence to you but you need to read what this thread is about. This thread is about an alternate future. It isn't about the present situation. In this alternate timeline HK is no more a part of china. Why? Cos china kicked out HK. HK is no more a part of china. HK is a soverign nation on its own.

Here are additional facts on the HK of this alternate reality. The majority race in HK isn't chinese but turkish as in ppl from turkey. HK is surrounded by chinese majority obviously if you look at the map of HK it's next to china and near to taiwan.

The HK in this reality calls up for national service for all citizens but does not put the chinese minority in HK in sensitive positions.

A few more things to note: The HK in this reality due to british influence is richer than mainland china. Many mainland chinese obviously love to travel to HK to escape poverty or repressive laws in china.

Since HK in this reality is a seperate nation and right next to a giant china they build up their army and naval force and so on. The HK here is a democratic nation and they don't really trust china and thus they don't really want their chinese citizens of HK to serve in sensitive or certain units in the HK military.

Anyway this is my question to you: Do you feel sorry for the chinese HKers that are now a minority in HK that cannot serve in sensitive positions in the army or airforce in HK? Do you feel sorry for the chinese HKers living in this HK where they are a minority in their country and cannot serve in sensitive positions in the military? Pls you have to remember china kicked out HK from china. This means that china does not want HK surprisingly. Now do you feel sorry for the chinese HKers living in this HK?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I know it's kind of hard to picture HK without china but then again what about sg without malaysia? In the 60s that was difficult to imagine. Remember in my story china kicked out HK.