MHAGate - Position of Trust - Do not relent at all costs

[scroobal]

There are some interesting observations from this interesting episode involving the 2 MHA heads of department and senior superscale officers so the need to focus and keep up the pressure

1) TRE has claimed twice they had the info but did not reveal it until they received confirmation. The SPH Chinese press did not bother and released it. Seems odd.

2) Honestly who the fucks cares about YSL when you have 2 big fish enjoying the outstanding salary scheme have got caught with their pants down. Yet we have a small band trying to revive and run with YSL story to push attention away from the 2 MHA clowns. YSL can be dealth with later. YSL has always being an idiot. Stay focus on the main issue.

3) We also have suckers who actually bought the story about MHA being one day late in releasing the news which is utter rubbish. Civil Service has a consistent track record of not releasing disciplinary matters involving superscale officers for the last 50 years. PSC also never publishes these figures but do so for timescale officers. They only release when they are charged in court which is seldom.

4) We also have some PAP cocksuckers here asking people like Tracy to show proof and evidence. Tracy has raised legitimate questions and concerns. She has no access to info or the people with info. Its up to the Govt to furnish these things. If the desire is to be honest and transparent and as it involved 2 senior positions, an inquiry should be launched to determine if this is systematic.

5) If the PAP and their cocksuckers in this forum think that SBF will easily give in like TRE, they are mistaken. The story of Ong Seng Chye, the Director - General designate for customs which also comes under MHA is a case in point. It involved woman, money, stocks and shares, theft from staff fund and much more. There is at least two in this forum that know the details. This guy actually absconded to China but is now enjoying his pension.

So lets seek transparency, demand accountability and no longer treat Singaporeans are malleable digits.

 

[tonychat]

yah you only observe and then report like a new reporter...

 

[kingrant]

Yes, demand explanations, honest ones, for the time gap.

If LHL wants Singaporeans to work together and come together on national issues, then the govt should take the lead in trusting us.

 

[palden]

It is just another honest mistake la. Sinkees had been warned that if salary goes down, this will happen as not enough money to call chicken. Economic outlook also looks grim as chicken no business.

 

[Unrepented]

Good point.

LHL wants citizens to work with govt, and according to news report "he said “If he did wrong, he must be punished,” he continued. “If he did nothing wrong, he must be exonerated.”"

Let's see how true.

............ an inquiry should be launched to determine if this is systematic.

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So lets seek transparency, demand accountability and no longer treat Singaporeans are malleable digits.

 

[kukubird58]

hahaha...some demi god claimed to be very ex-senior servant and don't know how the system operates....or rather a case of less than honest.
disciplinary actions are staff-in-confidence....from junior staff to senior staff.....
it only see the light when the culprits are formally charged.....
this is also the case in private sectors...
nothing unusual with such HR policy.......

in fact in this case, it is rather unusual that they were reported in msm when they had not been formally charged yet...

 

[Clone]

Wanbao and Xinming are tabloid newspapers. It's a sex scandal so letting Wanbao break the news would trivialize the impact, and on the 2nd day of CNY no less.

Mr Yxx polled the highest % of votes amongst all opposition candidates. He's no small fry based on the poll results alone.

And it's no mere coincidence that both news broke at the same time.

 

[waterloong]

Mr Scroobal,

Sorry. May I share what is in my head now after I read what you've posted.

You are observant and seems to be a civil servant or former civil servant? Thus you are able to share with us what we are seeing here.

On my assumption you are a civil servant and if you were unhappy with what you know and see, you could had resigned. If you did, I respect you for your moral high grounds.

On my assumption you are a former civil servant, you sounds old timer? This means you probably receive pension. If you are receiving pension , why are you taking the sinful money while lashing out on those who feeds you? Unless you are one of those old timer civil servants who receives pitiful pensions. That is understandable.

If you are not any of the above, then are these hear says?

It is not my intentions to offend any body in this forum. There are uncles and aunties who complains and whines about the pap government for the screwed up policies but these uncles and aunties sheepishly admit over family dinners they voted for pap because pap "generally did a good job after all".

If my reply has offended you, I once again, apologise in advance. Thanks.

There are some interesting observations from this interesting episode involving the 2 MHA heads of department and senior superscale officers so the need to focus and keep up the pressure

1) TRE has claimed twice they had the info but did not reveal it until they received confirmation. The SPH Chinese press did not bother and released it. Seems odd.

2) Honestly who the fucks cares about YSL when you have 2 big fish enjoying the outstanding salary scheme have got caught with their pants down. Yet we have a small band trying to revive and run with YSL story to push attention away from the 2 MHA clowns. YSL can be dealth with later. YSL has always being an idiot. Stay focus on the main issue.

3) We also have suckers who actually bought the story about MHA being one day late in releasing the news which is utter rubbish. Civil Service has a consistent track record of not releasing disciplinary matters involving superscale officers for the last 50 years. PSC also never publishes these figures but do so for timescale officers. They only release when they are charged in court which is seldom.

4) We also have some PAP cocksuckers here asking people like Tracy to show proof and evidence. Tracy has raised legitimate questions and concerns. She has no access to info or the people with info. Its up to the Govt to furnish these things. If the desire is to be honest and transparent and as it involved 2 senior positions, an inquiry should be launched to determine if this is systematic.

5) If the PAP and their cocksuckers in this forum think that SBF will easily give in like TRE, they are mistaken. The story of Ong Seng Chye, the Director - General designate for customs which also comes under MHA is a case in point. It involved woman, money, stocks and shares, theft from staff fund and much more. There is at least two in this forum that know the details. This guy actually absconded to China but is now enjoying his pension.

So lets seek transparency, demand accountability and no longer treat Singaporeans are malleable digits.

 

[Fook Seng]

On my assumption you are a former civil servant, you sounds old timer? This means you probably receive pension. If you are receiving pension , why are you taking the sinful money while lashing out on those who feeds you?

That is exactly the problem with our country. When you are given some benefit, you can throw principles to the wind? That is why flat upgrading was a successful election strategy. That is why a high salary for ministers and high office bearers make them toe the line. Must it always relate to personal benefit? Remember that any benefit you get now is only transient. It can bring long term repercussion.

 

[Unrepented]

I am not defending Scroobal, but since mentioned the "any body in the forum";

1. Civil service serves the people, the country and must have independence in the interest of the country, regardless of which political party forms the govt of the day.

2. When the country pays it's civil servants, you are saying that they should not lash out on those who feeds you. Who are the "those that feeds you" that you are referring to?

3. And are you of the mindset that since you are receiving salary, you will agree on all matters with your boss and keep quite if you see faults? Isn't it more of a disservice to the well being of the establishment?

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On my assumption you are a former civil servant, you sounds old timer? This means you probably receive pension. If you are receiving pension , why are you taking the sinful money while lashing out on those who feeds you? Unless you are one of those old timer civil servants who receives pitiful pensions. That is understandable.

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It is not my intentions to offend any body in this forum. There are uncles and aunties who complains and whines about the pap government for the screwed up policies but these uncles and aunties sheepishly admit over family dinners they voted for pap because pap "generally did a good job after all".

If my reply has offended you, I once again, apologise in advance. Thanks.

 

[scroobal]

Bro, feel free to write and comment freely. Its good to share what you know and exchange of knowledge can only make this country stronger. You won't be offending anyone.

I have not identified myself or hopefully not given any clues in order to continue to write freely. You will have to take my word when I say that I have never leached on this country and the system. The other thing is do not assume that it all came from one single source. Sadly there must be hundred others in this forum who know many other important details but are so afraid of their own shadows. An outcome of the PAP system of fear, intimidation and the spectre of possible financial ruin.

When CSM candidature was first revealed, there was a bit of misinformation that came with it in regards to his failure to get admission to Medicine in NUS. I pointed out the error. Others thought I was slandering the guy. They eventually dropped the claim and when the press asked him, he told the truth which was not the same as what was first bandied around. The point that I making is that falsehhood, rubbish etc are not the preserve of the PAP. It best to point out these. things early. I crucified YSL for asking people to vote the opposition in his rally but went on to vote for PAP in his own ward. He is a confused idiot and recent events point that out.

PAP however will get the most attention as they are the govt of the day and have enough skeletons in their cup board despite their continous claim that they are whiter than white. When TT Durai was running his show and sued Archie Ong for claiming that he was travelling 1st class in SIA, not a single soul from SIA dare point out the error. The Cabin crew knew, the pilots knew, the senior management knew yet because the Ex PM's and present PM's wife were keen supporters, no one dare intervene. The saddest part is the lawyer and his firm who represented TT knew full well that it was a lie. The entire board knew it was a lie. Even Press "hero" Balji knew as he flew 1st class at NKF expense. They were milking the ignorant masses, having a ball of a time and yet only 10 cents of each dollar donated went to the intended receipients.

NKF had a DS from MOH on its board, Lim Hng Kiang as Minister of MOH defended NKF when an NMP pointed out that charges did seem right and sought answers.

The most important thing here is credibility of the message and the messenger and the track record overtime. Have been here for 13 years.

There are couple of points that I would like to make. You seem to associate the civil service and the Govt of the day which in this case is the PAP. They are two fundamentally separate institutions but I do concede that politicisation has taken place to some extent. There are some oustanding people on both sides of the fence and the are also some equally abominable set of people.

Mr Scroobal,Sorry. May I share what is in my head now after I read what you've posted. You are observant and seems to be a civil servant or former civil servant? Thus you are able to share with us what we are seeing here. On my assumption you are a civil servant and if you were unhappy with what you know and see, you could had resigned. If you did, I respect you for your moral high grounds.On my assumption you are a former civil servant, you sounds old timer? This means you probably receive pension. If you are receiving pension , why are you taking the sinful money while lashing out on those who feeds you? Unless you are one of those old timer civil servants who receives pitiful pensions. That is understandable. If you are not any of the above, then are these hear says?It is not my intentions to offend any body in this forum. There are uncles and aunties who complains and whines about the pap government for the screwed up policies but these uncles and aunties sheepishly admit over family dinners they voted for pap because pap "generally did a good job after all".If my reply has offended you, I once again, apologise in advance. Thanks.

 

[waterloong]

Bro, feel free to write and comment freely. Its good to share what you know and exchange of knowledge can only make this country stronger. You won't be offending anyone.

I have not identified myself or hopefully not given any clues in order to continue to write freely. You will have to take my word when I say that I have never leached on this country and the system. The other thing is do not assume that it all came from one single source. Sadly there must be hundred others in this forum who know many other important details but are so afraid of their own shadows. An outcome of the PAP system of fear, intimidation and the spectre of possible financial ruin.

When CSM candidature was first revealed, there was a bit of misinformation that came with it in regards to his failure to get admission to Medicine in NUS. I pointed out the error. Others thought I was slandering the guy. They eventually dropped the claim and when the press asked him, he told the truth which was not the same as what was first bandied around. The point that I making is that falsehhood, rubbish etc are not the preserve of the PAP. It best to point out these. things early. I crucified YSL for asking people to vote the opposition in his rally but went on to vote for PAP in his own ward. He is a confused idiot and recent events point that out.

PAP however will get the most attention as they are the govt of the day and have enough skeletons in their cup board despite their continous claim that they are whiter than white. When TT Durai was running his show and sued Archie Ong for claiming that he was travelling 1st class in SIA, not a single soul from SIA dare point out the error. The Cabin crew knew, the pilots knew, the senior management knew yet because the Ex PM's and present PM's wife were keen supporters, no one dare intervene. The saddest part is the lawyer and his firm who represented TT knew full well that it was a lie. The entire board knew it was a lie. Even Press "hero" Balji knew as he flew 1st class at NKF expense. They were milking the ignorant masses, having a ball of a time and yet only 10 cents of each dollar donated went to the intended receipients.

NKF had a DS from MOH on its board, Lim Hng Kiang as Minister of MOH defended NKF when an NMP pointed out that charges did seem right and sought answers.

The most important thing here is credibility of the message and the messenger and the track record overtime. Have been here for 13 years.

Good to know you did not leech on the system and I respect you for that. You know there are civil servants who bitch about their work all day but refused to resign or seek something better in the private sector, they just move with the motion daily and wait for their pay cheque. Remember these civil servants aid their political masters indirectly as it is their role to assist the government of the day. PAP did good things, they claim credit while PAP screw ups, they disassociate themselves away. See the hypocrisy?

I did not know you are so senior in the forums. You sounds like my grand dad who insist he eat more salt than the rice I ate. Let me quote a Chinese saying - to have a old folk at home is akin to have a priceless treasure. This is good for the forums.

There are couple of points that I would like to make. You seem to associate the civil service and the Govt of the day which in this case is the PAP. They are two fundamentally separate institutions but I do concede that politicisation has taken place to some extent. There are some oustanding people on both sides of the fence and the are also some equally abominable set of people.

You see, when Lee Kuan Yew took control of Singapore in the late fifties, Lee knows he must change the civil servant's mindset because they have the administration mentality, political will and political philosophy of their former British masters. Lee set up an institution Political Study Center with one aim - Brainwash the civil servants to adhere PAP's philosophy. With PAP in power for the past 50 years, the civil servants are inadvertently imbued with the pap philosophy. Most noteworthy is self-help. In the ninties and early 2000, you don't see the system broadcasting the channels to get help although they are in place, while the pap ministers help themselves with their million dollar salaries. The Political Study Center is the Civil Service College today.

Like what I said earlier, civil servants of today, tries to distinct themselves away from pap as project themselves as non-partisan when things goes wrong such as GE 2011. But when pap did well in GE 2001, civil servants are glad to bask in the glory as they see themselves as vanguards of pap.

 

[kingrant]

It would be already quite good if the PAP does not blame the civil service when things go wrong with them at the polls!

The civil servants also cannot say "Ah ha! I told you so!" even tho there are times they are tempted to do so.

With the talk down cocky attitude of the PAP, it will be wonder if the civil service can ever "see themselves as vanguards of the PAP"!

They (PAP govt) dont even listen to their grass roots advisers!

Like what I said earlier, civil servants of today, tries to distinct themselves away from pap as project themselves as non-partisan when things goes wrong such as GE 2011. But when pap did well in GE 2001, civil servants are glad to bask in the glory as they see themselves as vanguards of pap.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Bro, feel free to write and comment freely. Its good to share what you know and exchange of knowledge can only make this country stronger. You won't be offending anyone.

I have not identified myself or hopefully not given any clues in order to continue to write freely. You will have to take my word when I say that I have never leached on this country and the system. The other thing is do not assume that it all came from one single source. Sadly there must be hundred others in this forum who know many other important details but are so afraid of their own shadows. An outcome of the PAP system of fear, intimidation and the spectre of possible financial ruin.

When CSM candidature was first revealed, there was a bit of misinformation that came with it in regards to his failure to get admission to Medicine in NUS. I pointed out the error. Others thought I was slandering the guy. They eventually dropped the claim and when the press asked him, he told the truth which was not the same as what was first bandied around. The point that I making is that falsehhood, rubbish etc are not the preserve of the PAP. It best to point out these. things early. I crucified YSL for asking people to vote the opposition in his rally but went on to vote for PAP in his own ward. He is a confused idiot and recent events point that out.

PAP however will get the most attention as they are the govt of the day and have enough skeletons in their cup board despite their continous claim that they are whiter than white. When TT Durai was running his show and sued Archie Ong for claiming that he was travelling 1st class in SIA, not a single soul from SIA dare point out the error. The Cabin crew knew, the pilots knew, the senior management knew yet because the Ex PM's and present PM's wife were keen supporters, no one dare intervene. The saddest part is the lawyer and his firm who represented TT knew full well that it was a lie. The entire board knew it was a lie. Even Press "hero" Balji knew as he flew 1st class at NKF expense. They were milking the ignorant masses, having a ball of a time and yet only 10 cents of each dollar donated went to the intended receipients.

NKF had a DS from MOH on its board, Lim Hng Kiang as Minister of MOH defended NKF when an NMP pointed out that charges did seem right and sought answers.

The most important thing here is credibility of the message and the messenger and the track record overtime. Have been here for 13 years.

There are couple of points that I would like to make. You seem to associate the civil service and the Govt of the day which in this case is the PAP. They are two fundamentally separate institutions but I do concede that politicisation has taken place to some extent. There are some oustanding people on both sides of the fence and the are also some equally abominable set of people.

Incredibe POST!
I had to repost it in its entirety.

However, there the then and former staff at NKF should have also stepped forward. I know that there were those that resigned from NKF rather be part of a Durai's charade. There are many Singaporeans who have removed themselves or shunned working with scums because when they look into the mirror and when they care for their loved ones, they would like to do so with a clean conscience.

And these my friends, is why the PAPpies have not and will not be able to enlist the best and the brightest in Singapore for the past 20 years. Any decent being, Singaporean or not will not allow themselves, their family members to be part of a filthy bunch of incompetent filth-full members! :*:

 

[zhihau]

Like what I said earlier, civil servants of today, tries to distinct themselves away from pap as project themselves as non-partisan when things goes wrong such as GE 2011.

bro,
Civil Servants have to be non-partisan in nature, me thickskin a bit ah, maybe my reminder was going rounds? :p:p:p
http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?16715-A-timely-reminder...&p=160672#post160672

 

[Fook Seng]

bro,
Civil Servants have to be non-partisan in nature, me thickskin a bit ah, maybe my reminder was going rounds? :p:p:p

The same reminder can be made of votes being secret. But since not everyone is fully aware of it or even when told, believes it is true, the ruling party keeps its silence on this and gains the advantage.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Civil Servants have to be non-partisan in nature,

In reality, the more senior a civil servant is, the more he kow tow to his political masters. From PS down to Directors, it's the same. They need to protect their rice bowl, be perceived as politically correct etc. If you get 10% non-partisan civil servants, consider it close to a miracle. No one wants to rock the boat and be known as a rebel.

 

[scroobal]

The present system makes it hard for the Singapore Civil Service not be politicised. Its very different from other world countries. Note the entire cabinet except for one has been a civil servant.

There is no first world country where this has been the case. Another intesting feature is the pathway that is available for civil servants at various stages of their career including the end for entry into PAP. The top entry is even more unusual. It began with Hon Sui Sen, then Howe, then Khaw and now Heng.

There is also another interesting aspect that is not present locally - the existence of political office under each minister to undertake party political matters that touches his ministry. In the First world countries, each minister or cabinet secretary has a small team that covers the political angle and politics leaving civil servants to do their non-partisan work. In Singapore, you have the parliamentary sec but little else.

So senior civil servants inevitably get dragged into the politics of the party. People like Tan Boon Huat, the stiff looking general are good examples. To add to this mess, we have NTUC, SPH Research Dept that are nurseries for PAP MPs. Just look at PA. You also have PUB handing out rebate vouchers to grassroots PAP advisors but not to the elected MP.

bro, Civil Servants have to be non-partisan in nature, me thickskin a bit ah, maybe my reminder was going rounds? :p:p:phttp://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?16715-A-timely-reminder...&p=160672#post160672

 

[halsey02]

>You also have PUB handing out rebate vouchers to grassroots PAP advisors but not to the elected MP.>

One soon discover that, upon the approaching the PAP grassroots for help, when one is down & out of luck, in paying their utilities bills, they tell you that, P.U.B., is private listed company in which the government has no control (sic!) & then give you $60 vouches to settle your $500 outstanding; in which P.U.B., will take that into consideration & still cut your unitilies.

But, if you visit your nominated MP's they can't help you either on the same excuse & they are not issued the vouchers. I have help people on this & I know, how it works. The PAP have to thank themselves for this charade & indirectly promoting the oppostions to the people.

Your comment on the civil service etc., in short, we have ourselves over the decades to be blamed for allowing such a system to take root & trapped us.

 

[Force 136]

The organisation with the least moral values is the ISD

Taking a cue from their political masters, they built up the so called Marxist Conspiracy against the Catholic social workers.
But the Vatican stepped in and old man had to show up to settle the problems created by his dogs.
He did what he had to do and then he turned against his dogs in the ISD....

Chief amongst the dogs was Sim PH.... @ Smiley Sim. The old man lost his temper when no action was taken against Sim after some time. After the old man raised his voice, Sim was transfered to MHA's dumping ground = the CNB. The incumbent Director Tony Poh GE was kicked to a little room in the MHA to make way for Smiley Sim. Sim retired without further promotions after several years.

So Gay's move to the CNB is nothing new. CNB had always been a superscale dumping ground.

Benny Lim was the one who benefited most from old man's temper outbust..... He was a much wiser dog when he took over.......