Singapore's Silver Tsunami

[erection2015]

The Govt has the machinery to address this and many other EQ issues. They just have to get out of their box and have some mindset shifts , just like they ask us to do all the time.
They can get some experts to advise them on what to do, how to do and who to do for. With some careful thought and application they can judiciously help without turning this into a welfare state, something they are loathe to see.
It is helpful that they give options to people to work beyond 65 as that helps a segment who can be gainfully employed but there are many other senior citizens who need to be assisted in some way or other.
I dont profess to have the answers but i am sure if the Govt sought views from the public , some very good and practical ideas would surface.

Yes, the frustration of Singaporeans is getting wider and deeper. This proliferation of anger against the pap is not good for SG. I see that the pap is trying to manage the damage LHL's leadership has done over the last few years. But it is a little too little and a little too late. The pap must accelerate the damage mgmt process and ameliorate its care of Singaporeans programme.

CCS has an unenviable task as Minister, MCYS. But I heard good things abt him and hopefully he can turn the tide for the PAP. Many have given up hope on LHL...not because he is very uncaring, but he lacks the intellect to anticipate problems and have innovative solutions.

Let's see what CCS can do. He is our hope for now

 

[TracyTan866]

You are grossly underestimating the evil mind set of PAP.Just think,how PAP controlled us for the past 50 years!....a feat our colonists realized that they cannot control nor the Malaysians would rather have cut off as an inflicted arm with gangrene.

Remember Sinkie was a political hot potato with teaming racists,Communists and communists---not mention our secret society legacy that lord over Singapore.Only Japanese ,with their cruelty of cutting an arm and leg for theft roped in the unruly lot that Singapore was.This is what LKY must have learnt from the Japanese as their 'translator'.As he LKY himself had said that Chinese must be ruled with iron fist.

Francis Seow as an ex insider has a pretty good idea of how LKY regime works.PAP is simply buying time.No election is going to bring about any change.Have we not waited for the past 50 years; election after election?When are we going to realize that unless PAP is thoroughly purged ,they will survive by waging psychological war......this whole idea of flooding Singapore with foreigners is precsicely that.Don't you think that PAP knows better that foreigners are actually destrying Sinkies and are not adding any values to our lives?

The British did that to the Malays and the Dutch to the Indonesians.They deny the native jobs,education and any commercial advantage by flooding it with cheap foreigners from China and India.(that's us lah).....and the used foreigners as their middleman in the trade to the detriment of the natives..While the native sultans held on to as rulers only in name only.History in now repeating itself.

This is where I see the logic of Dr.Chee that to capture power through the election route is a pipe dream.What's happening in Egypt is proof of that.That even when the dictator is over thrown dictatorship refuses to go.Because the dictator had corrupted every level of administration---armed forced in the case of Egypt.And civil service and judiciary including armed forces in our case.Even if LKY dies tomorrow,his people in his inner circle will continue his legacy.

Boy,are we in real shit.

Well analysed and well said..the pap has to change radically...cosmetic changes, cut and paste changes will not do. If pap were to stay, our hope is in the new blood who are not tainted by LKY, GCT and LHL's leadership. The old blood in PAP ie LHL, TCH, Tharman, LSS, LHK, VB, LKY, etc must go for the good of Singapore. The old blood are so contaminated that they lack empathy for Singaporeans

 

[Getloud]

'Where and what have the pap fallen short?'

PAP can afford to take care of the needy and the elderly if they want to.
Just take all the collections from the COE and ERP to help the poor, needy and elderly, should be enough.
And I'm not talking about raiding the reserve yet.

 

[TracyTan866]

The Govt has the machinery to address this and many other EQ issues. They just have to get out of their box and have some mindset shifts , just like they ask us to do all the time.
They can get some experts to advise them on what to do, how to do and who to do for. With some careful thought and application they can judiciously help without turning this into a welfare state, something they are loathe to see.
It is helpful that they give options to people to work beyond 65 as that helps a segment who can be gainfully employed but there are many other senior citizens who need to be assisted in some way or other.
I dont profess to have the answers but i am sure if the Govt sought views from the public , some very good and practical ideas would surface.

I dont think anyone is asking the pap to turn SG into a welfare country. Caring for Singapore is not just abt giving Singaporeans money. It's abt the following:

1. See Singaporeans as a family
2. Show care and concern for the poor, the needy, the sick
3. Dont overtax until they have very little disposable income otherwise the implications come later. many poor families are trapped in the poverty trap and they breed more poor families. Because they are poor, they cant have balanced diet and this affect the health and future well being of their children. Health care cost increases in the future.
4. Narrow the income gap.
5. Help ensure that any Singaporean who is willing to work diligently can take care of his family..this is very important. Many Singaporeans now work hard but yet dont have enough to take care of their families
6. Dont impoverish singaporeans and burden them with unnecessary taxes, levies, etc...allow them some leeway, breathing space and basic creature comforts.
7. Singaporeans are stressed and overworked beacuse of high cost of living...no mood for recreation and enjoyment, resulting in low fertility rate. a lower cost of living will do wonders for the emotional well being, social well being, financial well being, psychological well being of Singaporeans. Why squeeze Singaporeans so hard just to increase revenue and improve profits at the expense of the citizens? Does the pap need such blood money to govern SG? Can the pap relax its money making regime a little for the sake of Singaporeans' well being?
8..etc

There are so many things the pap can do to help Singaporeans without getting SG to be a welfare country.

So let us not believe the PAP's lie that if the govt helps singaporeans, we will degenerate into a welfare state. All we are asking the pap is allow Singaporeans to breathe..dont overtax and over squeeze Singaporeans.

Is that too much to ask of the govt?

 

[rusty]

Not forgetting they have served 2 fucking years in NS and what have the country done for them when they get old?

Ask not what you can do for the country. Ask what the country can do for you.

 

[TracyTan866]

'Where and what have the pap fallen short?'

PAP can afford to take care of the needy and the elderly if they want to.
Just take all the collections from the COE and ERP to help the poor, needy and elderly, should be enough.
And I'm not talking about raiding the reserve yet.

Good point.

Also take care not to overtax Singaporeans now so that less Singaporeans will be poor and needy in the future.

What the pap does now affects the future number of poor, needy and sick singaporeans.

We must have a long term focus of this problem

 

[TracyTan866]

Not forgetting they have served 2 fucking years in NS and what have the country done for them when they get old?

Ask not what you can do for the country. Ask what the country can do for you.

Exactly...what SG guys rightly expect is to have a decent future in SG. But now, it appears very gloom future for Singaporeans. Not fair esp for those who have done their NS and sacrificed so much...

The same for the aged Singaporeans now..they sacrificed for SG when they were young and fresh. they are now neglected and abandoned by their country which professes itself to be 1st World

 

[erection2015]

I would welcome anything that would help the silver members of the population. Its just the correct thing for the Govt to look into.

Every bit would help.

I dont think anyone is asking the pap to turn SG into a welfare country. Caring for Singapore is not just abt giving Singaporeans money.
. All we are asking the pap is allow Singaporeans to breathe..dont overtax and over squeeze Singaporeans.

Is that too much to ask of the govt?[/QUOTE]

 

[Fook Seng]

I think the Government has made it very clear what their solution is. Work. If you cannot find work, do what some SBF forummers do - migrate. The Government is only too happy if most people take the second route. The highly recommended country to go to is NZ. Check with Sam if you need more help.

 

[TracyTan866]

I would welcome anything that would help the silver members of the population. Its just the correct thing for the Govt to look into.

Every bit would help.

Yes, what the pap can do just be compassionate and not oversqueeze Singaporeans now. There are detrimental effects in the future when the govt overtaxes

 

[batman1]

Knnccb to the PAP !!!
Knnccb to the 60% who voted for PAP !!!
The source of the problem is the rotten cancer diseased PAP!
When u cut off the cancer-ridden PAP ,Singapore n Singaporeans
will become healthy again n live a wholesome,meaningful n dignified life !

 

[TracyTan866]

I think the Government has made it very clear what their solution is. Work. If you cannot find work, do what some SBF forummers do - migrate. The Government is only too happy if most people take the second route. The highly recommended country to go to is NZ. Check with Sam if you need more help.

How abt the poor and sick who cant migrate? Not all Singaporeans can migrate even if they want to.

Those who qualify and can migrate are the least of our concern...it's those who have no choice who are the issue

 

[TracyTan866]

Knnccb to the PAP !!!
Knnccb to the 60% who voted for PAP !!!
The source of the problem is the rotten cancer diseased PAP!
When u cut off the cancer-ridden PAP ,Singapore n Singaporeans
will become healthy again n live a wholesome,meaningful n dignified life !

I can see that you are angry..very expressive indeed with colourful vocabulary!!

 

[erection2015]

yes. On the surface out tax does not seem so high as some other countries. But upon careful examination our tax burden is actually very high especially if you are middle income. They should relook how they tax. For example they could lower the tax on the 1st car but increase the tax on subsequent cars for the same address. There are many other ways to increase taxes on what is generally agreed upon as luxuries and lower taxes on essentials .

Yes, what the pap can do just be compassionate and not oversqueeze Singaporeans now. There are detrimental effects in the future when the govt overtaxes

 

[Fook Seng]

How abt the poor and sick who cant migrate? Not all Singaporeans can migrate even if they want to.

Those who qualify and can migrate are the least of our concern...it's those who have no choice who are the issue

There are so many examples of old people collecting cardboard boxes and old newspapers. Should make them very proud than to rely on the Government for dole. Only the elites need to rely on the Government for their living.

 

[TracyTan866]

yes. On the surface out tax does not seem so high as some other countries. But upon careful examination our tax burden is actually very high especially if you are middle income. They should relook how they tax. For example they could lower the tax on the 1st car but increase the tax on subsequent cars for the same address. There are many other ways to increase taxes on what is generally agreed upon as luxuries and lower taxes on essentials .

Agree..the overall tax and levy regimes shd be relooked at with the aim of not overburden Singaporeans. Overtaxing is not a virtue. A balance is important

 

[TracyTan866]

There are so many examples of old people collecting cardboard boxes and old newspapers. Should make them very proud than to rely on the Government for dole. Only the elites need to rely on the Government for their living.

True..the pap has warped reasoning and tries to portray these poor people as good examples for Singaporeans to follow..it eases the burden on MCYS.

The poor may not approach the govt for help...but as a caring society, we must reach out to people who are in need and not always wait for them to beg

 

[Getloud]

Yes, what the pap can do just be compassionate and not oversqueeze Singaporeans now. There are detrimental effects in the future when the govt overtaxes

If they don't over squeeze Singaporeans, how are they going to get their affordable million dollars salaries and bonus?

Anyway, present PAP will suck whatever they can, and when they are gone, the next government is going to pick up the pieces.

 

[TracyTan866]

If they don't over squeeze Singaporeans, how are they going to get their affordable million dollars salaries and bonus?

Anyway, present PAP will suck whatever they can, and when they are gone, the next government is going to pick up the pieces.

You are right..it shows the values and character of the present pap govt...one word aptly describes them .."self-serving"

 

[TracyTan866]

yes. On the surface out tax does not seem so high as some other countries. But upon careful examination our tax burden is actually very high especially if you are middle income. They should relook how they tax. For example they could lower the tax on the 1st car but increase the tax on subsequent cars for the same address. There are many other ways to increase taxes on what is generally agreed upon as luxuries and lower taxes on essentials .

We must be wise and dig deeper into pap's wiles and schemes. They can bluff but they cant hide. Someone ought to tabulate the various taxes, levies, etc..that wld be a revelation to all