Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard truth

[Forvendet]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

The foundation was built by the chinese, indian and other migrant descendants for the British and Dutch to enrich themselves. Do you actually think the manpower sent here toiled under sun?? Yes..perhaps. Sun-tanning themselves outside their Nice British/Dutch Clubs (Who built those?) discussing how to legitimise themselves by giving away titles and deeds to the Native Malays while the others learnt how to adapt and survive.

After WW2.. the Brits and pretty much Europe were BROKE (as usual)... overtaken by the rise of America.. and had to exit Asean. Please dun try to tell me they did that out of Altruism. luffable.

Who asked the British and Dutch to come here. Nobody. They just decided to invest their excess capital and power here. Who asked the Chinese to come here? Nobody too. They just decided that there was a better chance of survival here than China. Most of them came with nothing. What do you expect? The British and Dutch to build posh Chinese clubhouses to welcome them? But yes, they worked their dues and earned their rewards. That's why they can build posh Chinese clubs here themselves. The early Chinese immigrants accepted that there'd be no gain without work, no accumulation of capital without gain. You? Blame and blame over nothing. Did the British and Dutch shortchange the laborious rewards worked for and gained by them? If yes, there'd be no wealthy oversea Chinese families in SEA to begin with. In fact, I believe that your Chinese ancestors were not stupid slaves. If terms and conditions were too unfair and prospects were too bleak, they'd have ran elsewhere long ago.

 

[TheFootballer]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Who asked the British and Dutch to come here. Nobody. They just decided to invest their excess capital and power here. Who asked the Chinese to come here? Nobody too. They just decided that there was a better chance of survival here than China. Most of them came with nothing. What do you expect? The British and Dutch to build posh Chinese clubhouses to welcome them? But yes, they worked their dues and earned their rewards. That's why they can build posh Chinese clubs here themselves. The early Chinese immigrants accepted that there'd be no gain without work, no accumulation of capital without gain. You? Blame and blame over nothing. Did the British and Dutch shortchange the laborious rewards worked for and gained by them? If yes, there'd be no wealthy oversea Chinese families in SEA to begin with.

I din't start out by blaming anyone. Just ask that you do not take all the credit away from the chinese ancestors and shove it to Brits and Dutch. If the Brits and Dutch gave what was fair and due to the labourers at THAT time.. you would have seen wealthy overseas chinese families alongside with the brits and dutch. Name me one family from that period of time and i'll shut my gap. The word is accumulation... I'll suger coat it.. The early chinese worked.. worked hard and save.

 

[Forvendet]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

I din't start out by blaming anyone. Just ask that you do not take all the credit away from the chinese ancestors and shove it to Brits and Dutch. If the Brits and Dutch gave what was fair and due to the labourers at THAT time.. you would have seen wealthy overseas chinese families alongside with the brits and dutch. Name me one family from that period of time and i'll shut my gap. The word is accumulation... I'll suger coat it.. The early chinese worked.. worked hard and save.

There was no credit in any morally obligatory sense. They were paid to do it with a price they agreed upon. Would you worship your contractor and worker for building your house? But it's fair to respect them for hardworking, good work and saving up enough to be their own boss.

 

[psy83]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

During the British period.. All races were coolies to the white man, Except for a few rich Chinese/Indian/Malay Families and businessman(Just a small handful) 80 to 85% were coolies. (Which inc. Prison guards, Policemen and Security guards)

 

[TheFootballer]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

There was no credit in any morally obligatory sense. They were paid to do it with a price they agreed upon. Would you worship your contractor and worker for building your house? But it's fair to respect them for hardworking, good work and saving up enough to be their own boss.

I wun go on about what was morally correct for the brits and dutch to do at that time.

But 30 years from now, if my grand kids ask... Who built all these HDBs, MRTs, CTEs. My kids must tell them... The Banglas/Indians/Thai/Chinaman did.

And if my grandkids say, "they must be paid well, treated well for doing all these good and hard work". I'll tell them no. They were despised, paid wages that looked good only where they came from and publicly shamed if they looked at women sun tanning at beaches.

 

[Forvendet]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

The foundation was built by the chinese, indian and other migrant descendants for the British and Dutch to enrich themselves.

If not the British and Dutch securing the land and opening it up to Chinese, what do you think would happen to Chinese trying flee China then? Colonize Malaya and Indonesia themselves? Don't make me laugh. They were either fleeing or trying to prevent more parts of China being colonnized by others.

 

[TheFootballer]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

If not the British and Dutch securing the land and opening it up to Chinese, what do you think would happen to Chinese trying flee China then? Colonize Malaya and Indonesia themselves? Don't make me laugh. They were either fleeing or trying to prevent more parts of China being colonnized by others.

Brits and Dutch securing the land and opened it to Chinese?? I din't make you luff.. you did that yourself. The Chinese swam to UK, America, Australia and Asean to find good honest work, not to colonise anyone.. and til now, the US and West still insist on this. And if that meant working for the brits, thats what they did.
I can link you a thousand articles on how Racsim was rife at that time against chinese (you would know this so Im not gona bother.) The first generation of Overseas-chinese were spat on and treated like Rats because they were neither white nor indegenious.
And now that they became civilised, they decided to brandish their "HUMAN RIGHTS" flag and fly it around the world. Yet just 50years ago blacks, chinese and every other non-whites were treated as garbage.


Back to how this argument began. 30 years from now, majority are gona tell their kids, The founding fathers, PAP and the chinese majority built the Highways, Tall Buildings and flying trains.. Every singaporean be it watever race should be grateful and stop moral policing. The banglas are paid well, treated well and beneficiary of all...so please dunn give them any credit for anything.

 

[Forvendet]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Brits and Dutch securing the land and opened it to Chinese?? I din't make you luff.. you did that yourself. The Chinese swam to UK, America, Australia and Asean to find good honest work, not to colonise anyone.. and til now, the US and West still insist on this. And if that meant working for the brits, thats what they did.
I can link you a thousand articles on how Racsim was rife at that time against chinese (you would know this so Im not gona bother.) The first generation of Overseas-chinese were spat on and treated like Rats because they were neither white nor indegenious.
And now that they became civilised, they decided to brandish their "HUMAN RIGHTS" flag and fly it around the world. Yet just 50years ago blacks, chinese and every other non-whites were treated as garbage.

Don't make me laugh but you've succeeded. Even my toes are laughing. Would you accept foreigners swimming to your shores illegally to look for jobs? That's the most common grievance I've heard from local Chinese against PRC Chinese even though they arrived legally.

 

[TheFootballer]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Don't make me laugh but you've succeeded. Even my toes are laughing. Would you accept foreigners swimming to your shores illegally to look for jobs? That's the most common grievance I've heard from local Chinese against PRC Chinese even though they arrived legally.

Yes. Its called "Australians supports asylum seekers". In Australia, we acknowledge and realised it was right when then govt recieved the vietnamese in the 1960s who swam across and made huge contributions to the society.

If the local sg Chinese really in their hearts think that the influx of PRC,HK,Taiwanese chinese is a wrong move, wouldn't 60% be enough to vote out the same people who endorse the policy?

 

[Forvendet]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Then continue to welcome PRCs and Indians and other foreigners ashore. I believe in democracy. You have your democratic say. Just don't whine when your say isn't among majority say.

 

[TheFootballer]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Then continue to welcome PRCs and Indians and other foreigners ashore. I believe in democracy. You have your democratic say. Just don't whine when your say isn't among majority say.

If I wanted to be in the majority say in this thread.. i would have said Raffles along with PAP and Sang Nila Utama are the Founding fathers of Singapore. That would satisfy everyone... but the point being missed here is our ancestors built this place up..

Countries that constantly need to bring out "Our founding fathers" repeatedly are those that seek to legitimise themselves to the world, they rightfully built the land, own the land. These are usually countries with relatively young history.

Singapore will truly be a found country when you ask them who founded singapore and the answer is Sinkaporeans.

 

[Fook Seng]

Blame it on this bastard Mao Zhedong!!!He drive Chang ROC out because he said he want to build a democracy China caring for the people.But look here...what he done for China!!!

YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueoOJNheIlo&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL7AE191DEAD7752C3

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You cannot blame others if you lose your struggle because of your incapability. Chang Kai Sek was supposed to be the stronger guy with all his military power together with American backing. Yet he lost. Very telling isn't it?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Brits and Dutch securing the land and opened it to Chinese?? I din't make you luff.. you did that yourself. The Chinese swam to UK, America, Australia and Asean to find good honest work, not to colonise anyone.. and til now, the US and West still insist on this. And if that meant working for the brits, thats what they did.
I can link you a thousand articles on how Racsim was rife at that time against chinese (you would know this so Im not gona bother.) The first generation of Overseas-chinese were spat on and treated like Rats because they were neither white nor indegenious.
And now that they became civilised, they decided to brandish their "HUMAN RIGHTS" flag and fly it around the world. Yet just 50years ago blacks, chinese and every other non-whites were treated as garbage.


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This is the truth that happens to not only chinese over there at that time but overseas chinese in indonesia and other countries.

This is the double standard crap that i have been raising. When chinese are at the end of racism somehow it's accepted not a big deal is made. They are killed, publicly mocked and all types of shit yet nobody says anything. Yet on the opposite end when chinese are the majority suddenly the standards change. A chinese doesn't even need to mock a non chinese to be considered a racist. He just glares at a non chinese and he's as bad or even worse than a KKK racist.

This forvendet himself has admitted his chinese frens are his best frens and they treat him very well yet online starts to insult chinese ppl. This is totally opposite to how chinese treat their frens. If a chinese person has 1 fren from say country A and that fren is very nice he'll say all ppl from country A are very nice.

This is the nonsensical double standards that have to be addressed and these buggers are trying their darn best to hide it.

 

[moolightaffairs]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Ah Sang founded Singapura. Ah Raf founded Singapore. Ah Yew founded Sinkapoor LOL

sorry, pls allow me to do some amendment.

 

[Forvendet]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

If I wanted to be in the majority say in this thread.. i would have said Raffles along with PAP and Sang Nila Utama are the Founding fathers of Singapore. That would satisfy everyone... but the point being missed here is our ancestors built this place up..

Is that a threat? Conform or be banned and fucked off?

 

[Royalblood]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

The hard truth is if they the British and Dutch didn't come here, they'd be no Chinese getting rich here and here would remain Malay feudal states and sultanates including Singapore. Of course the British and Dutch came here for division and balance of their wealth and power. What are you thinking? They spent so much resources and sent so much manpower here to do charity? But the collateral beneficiaries, mainly oversea Chinese, turning against him post-history, that I don't understand. I hate to say it. I don't want to say it. But I don't know what else to say except, if you think the foundation laid by the British and Dutch here were so evil, please go back to China.

Only native Malays are eligible to complain anything about colonial exploitation. Oversea Chinese, Indian and other migrant descendants including me, we're collateral beneficiaries.

what was i thinking? did i not wrote it out explicitly in my previous post!? that the imperialists came here not out of benevolence, but for the sole purpose of satisfying their insatiable greed therefore there is no need to treat them like they are saints

Singaporeans turned against stam raffles and that imperialistic empire that he represented because they know he and his fellow leeches were here to suck the the people dry and discriminate the natives and coloured people of the land they colonized through the poilcy of "distinction between the ruled and the ruler". It is really no wonders why Singaporeans turned against the brits and kicked them the fuck out of Singapore.

We owe the brits NOTHING man. The riches we inherited from our ancestors today are purely from the hardwork and entrepeunrship of our ancestors, while the brits were busy exploiting people and shipping whatever treasures they found here back to their motherland. Perhaps those majoring in SE Asia studies could commission a study on how much wealth the imperialist extracted from here vis-a-vis the pathetic infrastructure they built.

 

[sirus]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Where were the Ang Mohs when the Japs came during WWII? It was after that many S.E Asian countries realized they useless free loaders
cannot be relied, thus many of these colonies become INDEPENDENT. Same like useless pap know how to take $$$ but cannot deliver. Ang
Moh and pap same lah, in times trouble take $$$ and run road. The whole truth is Singapore is just strategically located nothing to do with
anyone. If the Thai really went ahead to cut and divide Kraal you think Singapore can survive? Of course the Thai will not do that.

 

[TheFootballer]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

Is that a threat? Conform or be banned and fucked off?

Dun mistake me for someone else. I can't ban and definately won't ask someone to fuck off for views different to mine.
But your sweeping statement that overseas chinese should thank the brits and only native malays are allowed to complain is akin to diggin out my ancestors and whipping them twice.
The human rights heirachy at that period is Whites followed by Native Malays then the others.

 

[Forvendet]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

The British stayed and fought the Japanese. There was neither shame nor fault in staying and fought but lost the battle. They were fighting a world war on many fronts. They did won the war eventually. Most Singaporeans didn't want indepedence after the war. It was the communists who wanted independence fueled by the PRC victory in China. To be fair, David Marshall also wanted independence and the British actually also wanted to leave. The British and their American allies only want one thing assured - there'd be no possibility of communist takeover of Singapore. Marshall couldn't convince them of that.

LKY was more politically shrewd and came up with the idea of merger with Malaysia which the British found acceptable. He wanted political power but lacked the military power as the armed forces was of course Malaysian. He begged and dragged the British armed forces to stay. It was some ten years after merger/independence that all British troops were withdrawn from Singapore permanently after SAF was established and running smoothly.

The myth about Chinese toiling and sweating to build Singapore has been debunked earlier. They came here to earn wages. They stayed here because ROC lost China. If you keep that repeating myth, the myth of the next generation would the Bangladeshis toiled and sweat to build Singapore.

 

[TheFootballer]

Re: Sir Stamford Raffles is the founding father of Sinkapore ! Pls spread the Hard tr

The myth about Chinese toiling and sweating to build Singapore has been debunked earlier. They came here to earn wages. They stayed here because ROC lost China. If you keep that repeating myth, the myth of the next generation would the Bangladeshis toiled and sweat to build Singapore.

Yes. Absolutely correct. So who built the foundation of Singapore? And who are the ones doing the building now?
Your conclusion has been drawn. We should thank the Brits and PAP for they built Singapore and all Singaporeans must forever be thankful to their self-sacrificial hardwork toiling under the skies.