Compare the differences...

[Liquigas]

you should compare Chiang Kai Shek handsome great grandsons to Mao Zedong Pui Cheebye great grandsons.

interestingly, Chiang a true Chinese nationalist never mind the fact that his descendants' bloodline were mixed, half Chinese only.

Chiang Kai Shek groomed his son to be his successor so that father and son could rule China and then Taiwan for six decades. Mao on the other hand never thought of that....in fact one of his sons died fighting the enemy at the frontline during the Korean War.

 

[Sideswipe]

Mao on the other hand never thought of that....in fact one of his sons died fighting the enemy at the frontline during the Korean War.

he was bombed to death while cooking his lunch outdoors in violation of war-time regulations of Chinese Army.

 

[Fook Seng]

The impression that local dialects are being exterminated came across to me not from visiting PRC, but from my superior at work. He emigrated from Fujian to Canada with his wife (and daughter) - so they could have a second child (again a national social engineering pratice - made into law.) He is a weel-read and qualified person with a Masters Degree in Chemistry. In China, he was a plant manager. In Canada where we worked together, he was my shift supervisor and immiediate superior. He once asked me (he knows about our NS) how many soldiers can Sg field in situation, I really don't know but guessed about fifty thousand infantrymen; when he heard that number, he started laughing and laughing. Upon understanding where he was coming from - I started laughing too.

Cheers!

I have to agree with Spiky. We cannot compare PRC and Taiwan with what we are doing in Singapore. In Singapore, because within one city state, there are so many dialect groups, the Govt decided, rightly or wrongly (I do not agree with it), to discourage dialect speaking everywhere even at home. It was essentially decided by people who did not come from a dialect speaking home background. In fact, dialect speaking at home helped me to understand Mandarin better at school. It was those who were English home speaking that had the problem. In Taiwan, almost everyone speaks Min Nan Hua and having Mandarin as the teaching tongue will not hinder the development of both mother tongue and mandarin. On the other hand, having dialect as the main medium of instruction would have the effect of isolating Taiwan from the rest of the Chinese diaspora. There is no chauvenistic benefit to be gained here. In China, each province has its predominant local dialect and, like the case of Taiwan, using Mandarin as the teaching tongue will not hinder the joint development of mother tongue and Mandarin. It is the overseas Chinese who have the main problem because a third tongue competes as a first language, English in the case of Singapore, English or French, in the case of Canada. Of course, with economic development, different parts of China develop differently. As a result it attracts many investments come from other parts of the country or from overseas and they bring with them their management who may not speak the local dialect but they all speak Mandarin. Except for some artificial new towns which have mixed populations, this has little impact on the local population who speak dialect and Mandarin with equal fluency. Not sonlong ago, Sri Lanka reversed a disastrous language policy of using dialect teaching (it is quite complex in Sri Lanka with Tamil, Sinhalese and what not) and re-adopt English medium instruction as the unifying language and for international commerce.

 

[Agoraphobic]

............ We cannot compare PRC and Taiwan with what we are doing in Singapore...............


...... Not sonlong ago, Sri Lanka reversed a disastrous language policy of using dialect teaching (it is quite complex in Sri Lanka with Tamil, Sinhalese and what not) and re-adopt English medium instruction as the unifying language and for international commerce.

Ok. I see your point, Sg's case is different from PRC. But the CCP still destroyed most of Chinese culture, at its height of this was Mao's cultural revolution.

Sri Lanka's case if I understand correctly was that during British rule, English was the official language - and there was no ethnic trouble (or at least not that we are aware of). After the white man left, the Singhalese took control (majority) and made their language the official language. This marginalised the Tamils and civil war started. It was better to use English and like you said, they've reversed the language medium. The Lankans I deal with speak English well.

Cheers!

 

[Conqueror]

Mao Did Not Fight The Japs ?

There's a question to be raised: Did Mao ordered his men to fight KMT's army instead of the Japs in the north ?

 

[Sideswipe]

Re: Mao Did Not Fight The Japs ?

There's a question to be raised: Did Mao ordered his men to fight KMT's army instead of the Japs in the north ?

the army route basically told the whole story. moving southward from Jiangsu to Yunnan and inland to Shaanxi. Cheebye, the Japanese were in the north.

 

[Fook Seng]

Ok. I see your point, Sg's case is different from PRC. But the CCP still destroyed most of Chinese culture, at its height of this was Mao's cultural revolution.

Sri Lanka's case if I understand correctly was that during British rule, English was the official language - and there was no ethnic trouble (or at least not that we are aware of). After the white man left, the Singhalese took control (majority) and made their language the official language. This marginalised the Tamils and civil war started. It was better to use English and like you said, they've reversed the language medium. The Lankans I deal with speak English well.

Cheers!

In the case of China, the gang of four had been dealt with. That is why things like temples have been allowed to re-open and open market allowed to take place. Cultural revolution was more a class struggle, particularly against the higher class and not cultural struggle per se. Because of the language policy, Sri Lanka still have many young people in the wrong age group who cannot speak good English. In Singapore too, there is a lost generation where all were schooled in English with no good scholars in another language, people in their late 40's. This was the time when we got rid of non-English streams schools and before bi-lingualism was introduced.

 

[cheowyonglee]

Jiang Jieshie grandson

Mao Zedong grandson

 

[Liquigas]

Mao Did Not Fight The Japs ?

the army route basically told the whole story. moving southward from Jiangsu to Yunnan and inland to Shaanxi. Cheebye, the Japanese were in the north.

It was Generalissimo Chiang who was reluctant to engage the Japanese army directly because he saw Mao and the CCP as the greater menace. His KMT troops pursued the Red Army relentlessly. Only after his release from kidnap at Lushan did he finally agreed to fight the Japanese head on.

 

[Sideswipe]

Re: Mao Did Not Fight The Japs ?

It was Generalissimo Chiang who was reluctant to engage the Japanese army directly because he saw Mao and the CCP as the greater menace. His KMT troops pursued the Red Army relentlessly. Only after his release from kidnap at Lushan did he finally agreed to fight the Japanese head on.

Chiang was buying time for the inevitable war against Japan. to engage in full war against the Japanese armies during the early 1930s would be suicidal for the poorly equipped and ill trained Chinese soldiers. China was not ready to fight in 1937 too. those peoples who wanted China to fight full scale war against Japan back then clearly underestimated Japan vast superior military strength, lacked understanding of the geopolitical situation in far east or had ulterior motives like the Chinese Communists.

 

[sleaguepunter]

Hi Spiky:
In Canada where we worked together, he was my shift supervisor and immiediate superior. He once asked me (he knows about our NS) how many soldiers can Sg field in situation, I really don't know but guessed about fifty thousand infantrymen; when he heard that number, he started laughing and laughing. Upon understanding where he was coming from - I started laughing too.

Cheers!

actually, more like 250k inclusive of all reservists.

as parent, it our duty to teach our children the real mother tongue. parents shd teach children dialect at home and let school handled the england and "money" langugue. i find it a pity most ppl dont even know his/her own roots. i ever spoke with same age adults yet most dont bother to know where his/her ancestor came from. many use excuse of poor chinese knowledge but what so difficult of writing down what was craved/written on ancestors tomb stone as most tombs will have town/village name from where he/she was from.

the ability to speak dialect to what seperate us from the mainland chinese. i am more proud of being a cantonese than a chinese. if cantonese general yuan chonghuan was not killed by the last ming emperor then the history of china would have been very different. cantonese will fight to protect their langugue and culture against the mandarianized policies of the CCCP central govt. yuan's famous war cry " tiu hei ma, din gan xiang" literally mean fark his mother, hit him hard was use by the protesters at the 2010 pro cantonese rally in canton.

 

[cheowyonglee]

When the Republic of China soliders were busy fighting the Japs...

[video=youtube;esHiOxXXJfo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esHiOxXXJfo&feature=related[/video]

The Communist barstards, what were they doing???But the Communist are telling the world they are the one leading the war effort against the Japs!!!

[video=youtube;gokCMfWsY-o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gokCMfWsY-o&feature=fvst[/video]

 

[chupacabra]

What the fuck man..How come you got so much time to find videos of the same shit for comparisons.. power la you

 

[Cruxx]

I think cheowyonglee must have been detained and tortured by CCP before. So much rage fueling his efforts to discredit PRC.

 

[Fook Seng]

Chiang was buying time for the inevitable war against Japan. to engage in full war against the Japanese armies during the early 1930s would be suicidal for the poorly equipped and ill trained Chinese soldiers. China was not ready to fight in 1937 too. those peoples who wanted China to fight full scale war against Japan back then clearly underestimated Japan vast superior military strength, lacked understanding of the geopolitical situation in far east or had ulterior motives like the Chinese Communists.

I find this a very interesting theory - using the Red Army as target practice and as roadrun practice for eventual flight to Taiwan, or would you prefer Formosa?

 

[Liquigas]

Mao Did Not Fight The Japs ?

Chiang was buying time for the inevitable war against Japan. to engage in full war against the Japanese armies during the early 1930s would be suicidal for the poorly equipped and ill trained Chinese soldiers. China was not ready to fight in 1937 too. those peoples who wanted China to fight full scale war against Japan back then clearly underestimated Japan vast superior military strength, lacked understanding of the geopolitical situation in far east or had ulterior motives like the Chinese Communists.

Not true lah, Chiang knew too well that the threat to his rule of whole China did not come from the Japanese invading army but from the Red Army led by CCP. The Japanese military no doubt was strong but China is a very big country with a huge population and Chiang was quite sure that Japan could not win in a protracted drawn-out war with China. True enough, when Chiang moved the wartime capital to Chungking and wage the battle from the Chinese hinterland, the Japanese army could not made much headway and decided then to move southward to invade South East Asia....

 

[Sideswipe]

Re: Mao Did Not Fight The Japs ?

Not true lah, Chiang knew too well that the threat to his rule of whole China did not come from the Japanese invading army but from the Red Army led by CCP. The Japanese military no doubt was strong but China is a very big country with a huge population and Chiang was quite sure that Japan could not win in a protracted drawn-out war with China. True enough, when Chiang moved the wartime capital to Chungking and wage the battle from the Chinese hinterland, the Japanese army could not made much headway and decided then to move southward to invade South East Asia....

Chiang considered the Chinese Communists a greater threat but he was also actively preparing for a possible major China-Japan military conflict. eg. in 1935-1936, he ordered the government to reject all building permits for new specific industries and big factories in the coastal southern provinces, those permits can only be given in China hinterlands. colleges and universities in coastal regions were told to get ready to shift to central China. Chiang ordered the speeding up of defensive networks completion in Wuhan and Shanghai areas. all this moves were to prepare for eventual retreat to the deep China hinterland in the possible war against Japan. Chiang also started the secret negotiations between KMT, CCP and Comintern for a military ceasefire and a united front against the Japanese. Chiang wanted to destroy the Chinese Communists but he was willing to make peace with them or even the Japanese too, everything depended on how events unfolded.

in Chiang's diaries 1936, he noted the possibility of Yunnan Kunming as China wartime capital and Yunnan as China last holdout in the worst case scenario. this suggested that he was very pessimistic about China's prospects in the possible war. I agree that Chiang was quite sure that Japan cannot win but he also knew China had no chance of winning on her own without international aid.

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Mao Did Not Fight The Japs ?

CCP under Mao never really fought IJA, leaving it all to KMT under Chiang as KMT was the legitimate government in power of the day and would be held accountable for defeat or take credit for victory. CCP objective was to overthrow KMT by a KMT failure in repelling IJA, then CCP would get rid of IJA later. Both Mao and Chang were on similar strategic thinking. Both were equally ready to sacrifice massive Chinese civilian lives. As Chiang had said, IJA was a skin disease, CCP was cancer. I'm sure that Mao had thought the same vice versa. But CCP won the propaganda war and sympathy of the masses, that was where KMT lost. 得民心者得天下。

 

[Liquigas]

Mao Did Not Fight The Japs ?

......all this moves were to prepare for eventual retreat to the deep China hinterland in the possible war against Japan. Chiang also started the secret negotiations between KMT, CCP and Comintern for a military ceasefire and a united front against the Japanese. Chiang wanted to destroy the Chinese Communists but he was willing to make peace with them or even the Japanese too, everything depended on how events unfolded.

No expert on modern Chinese history but thought all along that Chiang agreed to make peace with the CCP and forge a united front to fight the Japanese only after the Xian Incident where Chiang was earlier arrested and kidnapped by Zhang Xue Liang and Yang Hu Cheng at a resort in Lushan. Being a vengeful man, Chiang executed Yang and his family before KMT retreat to Taiwan. As for Zhang, he was put on house arrest and was only released as a very old man after the death of Chiang Jr.

 

[cheowyonglee]

What the fuck man..How come you got so much time to find videos of the same shit for comparisons.. power la you

I only want to let the world know, what is right and what is wrong.Nothing much!I am not 法轮功！Or like what one fellow said, the CCP arrested me before.
haha, by the way i am not from China too.I am a die hard Singaporean.I am on the rightness side and i hate evil things like what the Communist did to our Chinese culture!

I am not nuts too because if i am one, i will be living in woodbridge now.And lastly, Republic Of China still alive.Not yet finish!The Communist want to let the world know ROC no more but that is not true!!!The truth is, ROC only control a small area of Mainland China.This is the point!!!

We must protect ROC even if they wont be able to fight back to China.As i believe, Republic Of China is the only one we can trusted upon!