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惊天秘档:美国二战前曾密谋对英国开战

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惊天秘档:美国二战前曾密谋对英国开战
2011年09月25日 09:02:16
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  据有关媒体报道,绝密文件揭露,美国在1920年~1930年间曾秘密拟定计划,向中国、日本、德国和墨西哥等国开战,连现今号称有“特殊关系”的英国亦不放过。

  惊天作战计划来自埋藏在华盛顿美国国家档案局地下的绝密文件,这些文件以各种颜色标示不同作战计划,曾被视为最敏感的数据。当中“黄计划”是针对中国,日本、墨西哥、德国(当时为魏玛共和国)等分别为橙、绿和黑,“白计划”则用来应对本土的叛变。

  轰炸加拿大 动用生物武器

  至于“红计划”,则用来招呼今日如胶似漆的盟友英国。原来当时大英帝国如日中天,美国则以新兴势力自居,深明英国会不择手段打压新兴大国,故先发制人。美国密谋消灭加拿大以及北大西洋所有英国陆军,破坏其贸易能力,迫使对方屈服。

  美国还打算派出空前绝后的大军,先入侵加拿大,用大型炸弹轰炸重点工业目标,更会动用生物武器。与此同时,美军向加勒比海和西海岸推进,以防英国从欧洲、印度或澳大利亚发动报复行动。计划最终被时任总统罗斯福否决,他希望英国能保存实力对抗纳粹德军。美国内部备忘录就记载计划为“完全不可行”,但可“留作将来之用”。 (中新)
 
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文件披露二战前美曾密谋对中日英开战
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  中新网9月21日电 据香港《文汇报》报道,绝密文件揭露,美国在1920年至1930年其间曾秘密拟定计划,向中国、日本、德国和墨西哥等国开战,连现今号称有“特殊关系”的英国亦不放过。该计划在第二次世界大战发生之前制定,昨(20)日终于曝光。

  惊天作战计划来自埋藏在华盛顿美国国家档案局地下的绝密文件,这些文件以各种颜色标示不同作战计划,曾被视为世上最敏感的数据。当中“黄计划”是针对中国,日本、墨西哥、德国(当时为威玛共和国)等分别为橙、绿和黑,“白计划”则用来应对本土的叛变。

  轰炸加拿大 动用生物武器

  至于“红计划”,则用来招呼今日如胶似漆的盟友英国。原来当时大英帝国如日中天,美国则以新兴势力自居,深明英国会不择手段打压新兴大国,故先发制人。美国密谋消灭加拿大以及北大西洋所有英国陆军,破坏其贸易能力,迫使对方屈服。

  美国还打算派出空前绝后的大军,先入侵加拿大,用大型炸弹轰炸重点工业目标,更会动用生物武器。与此同时,美军向加勒比海和西海岸推进,以防英国从欧洲、印度或澳洲发动报复行动。计划最终被时任总统罗斯福否决,他希望英国能保存实力对抗纳粹德军。美国内部备忘录就记载计划为“完全不可行”,但可“留作将来之用”。
 
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Revealed: How America planned to attack Britain in 1930

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LONDON: Believe it or not, the United States had prepared a military plan to attack the United Kingdom and wipe out a major part of the British Army in 1930, a mere nine years before World War Two.

Declassified files reveal that America drew up proposals specifically aimed at eliminating all British land forces in Canada and the North Atlantic, thus destroying Britain's trading ability and bringing the country to its knees.

Previously unparalleled troop movements were launched as an overture to an invasion of Canada, which was to include massive bombing raids on key industrial targets and the use of chemical weapons, the latter signed off at the highest level by none other than the legendary General Douglas MacArthur.

The plans, revealed in a Channel 5 documentary, were one of a number of military contingency plans drawn up against a number of potential enemies, including the Caribbean islands and China, the Daily Mail reports.

There was even one to combat an internal uprising within the United States.

In the end there was no question of President Franklin D. Roosevelt subscribing to what was known as War Plan Red.

Instead the two countries became the firmest of allies during the Second World War, an occasionally strained alliance that continues to this day.

Still, it is fascinating to know that there were enough people inside the American political and military establishment who thought that such a war was feasible.

While outside of America, both Churchill and Hitler also thought it a possibility during the 1930s.

Plan Red was code for an apocalyptic war with Britain and all her dominions.

After the 1918 Armistice and throughout the 1920s, America's historic anti-British feelings handed down from the 19th century were running dangerously high due to Britain owing the United States nine billion pounds for their intervention in The Great War.

British feeling against America was known to be reciprocal.
 
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War on the 'Red Empire': How America planned for an attack on BRITAIN in 1930 with bombing raids and chemical weapons

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Plan Red was code for massive war with British Empire
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$57m allocated for building secret airfields on Canadian border - to launch attack on British land forces based there

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Details of an amazing American military plan for an attack to wipe out a major part of the British Army are today revealed for the first time.

In 1930, a mere nine years before the outbreak of World War Two, America drew up proposals specifically aimed at eliminating all British land forces in Canada and the North Atlantic, thus destroying Britain's trading ability and bringing the country to its knees.

Previously unparalleled troop movements were launched as an overture to an invasion of Canada, which was to include massive bombing raids on key industrial targets and the use of chemical weapons, the latter signed off at the highest level by none other than the legendary General Douglas MacArthur.

The plans, revealed in a Channel 5 documentary, were one of a number of military contingency plans drawn up against a number of potential enemies, including the Caribbean islands and China. There was even one to combat an internal uprising within the United States.

In the end there was no question of President Franklin D. Roosevelt subscribing to what was known as War Plan Red. Instead the two countries became the firmest of allies during WW2, an occasionally strained alliance that continues to this day.

Still, it is fascinating that there were enough people inside the American political and military establishment who thought that such a war was feasible.

While outside of America, both Churchill and Hitler also thought it a possibility during the 30s - a time of deep economic and political uncertainty.
In 1930, a mere nine years before the outbreak of World War Two, America drew up a terrifying plan specifically aimed at eliminating all British land forces in Canada and the North Atlantic

In 1930, a mere nine years before the outbreak of World War Two, America drew up a terrifying plan specifically aimed at eliminating all British land forces in Canada and the North Atlantic, thus destroying Britain's trading ability and bringing our country to its knees
The documents, seen here, were unearthed buried deep within the American National Archives in Washington, D.C. - a top-secret document once regarded as the most sensitive on earth

The top-secret papers seen here - once regarded as the most sensitive on Earth - were found buried deep within the American National Archives in Washington, D.C.

The highly classified files reveal that huge pushes were to be made into the Caribbean and West Coast to block any British retaliation from either Europe, India or Australia.

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In 1931, the U.S. government even authorised record-breaking transatlantic flying hero and known Nazi sympathiser Charles A. Lindbergh to be sent covertly as a spy to the west shore of Hudson Bay to investigate the possibility of using sea-planes for warfare and seek out points of low resistance as potential bridgeheads.
In 1931, the U.S. government authorised transatlantic flying hero and known Nazi sympathiser Charles Lindbergh to be sent covertly as a spy to the west shore of Hudson Bay

In 1931, the U.S. authorised flying hero and known Nazi sympathiser Charles Lindbergh to be sent as a spy to Hudson Bay to look into using sea-planes for warfare and seek out points of low resistance as potential bridgeheads

Four years later, the U.S. Congress authorised $57million to be allocated for the building of three secret airfields on the U.S. side of the Canadian border, with grassed-over landing strips to hide their real purpose.

All governments make 'worst case scenario' contingency plans which are kept under wraps from the public. These documents were unearthed buried deep within the American National Archives in Washington, D.C. - a top-secret document once regarded as the most sensitive on earth.

It was in 1930, that America first wrote a plan for war with 'The Red Empire' - its most dangerous empire.

But America's foe in this war was not Russia or Japan or even the burgeoning Nazi Germany.

Plan Red was code for an apocalyptic war with Britain and all her dominions.

After the 1918 Armistice and throughout the 1920s, America's historic anti-British feelings handed down from the 19th century were running dangerously high due to our owing the U.S. £9billion for their intervention in The Great War.

British feeling against America was known to be reciprocal.

By the 1930s, America saw the disturbing sight of homegrown Nazi sympathisers marching down New York's Park Avenue to converge on a pro-Hitler rally in Madison Square Garden.

Across the Atlantic, Britain had the largest empire in the world, not to mention the most powerful navy.

Against this backdrop, some Americans saw their nation emerging as a potential world leader and knew only too well how Britain had dealt with such upstarts in the past - it went to war and quashed them.

Now, America saw itself as the underdog in a similar scenario.

In 1935, America staged its largest-ever military manoeuvres, moving troops to and installing munitions dumps at Fort Drum, half an hour away from the eastern Canadian border.
By the 1930s, America saw the disturbing sight of homegrown Nazi sympathisers marching down New York's Park Avenue to converge on a pro-Hitler rally in Madison Square Garden

By the 1930s, America saw the disturbing sight of homegrown Nazi sympathisers marching down New York's Park Avenue to converge on a pro-Hitler rally in Madison Square Garden

It was from here the initial attack on British citizens would be launched, with Halifax, Nova Scotia, its first target.

'This would have meant six million troops fighting on America's eastern seaboard,' says Peter Carlson, editor of American History magazine.

WAR PLAN RED, GREEN, PURPLE...

During the 1920s and 30s, the U.S. devised several colour-coded war plans to deal with potential adversaries.

Many of these war games were submitted to the Military Information Division by officers working in their own time.

Among the contingency plans developed were:

Orange: War against Japan

Green: Against Mexico

Purple: South America

White: Domestic uprising

Black: Germany

Grey: Caribbean republics

Yellow: China

Brown: Philippines

Not surprisingly, many of these were hypothetical exercises - and provided only broad strategic outlines.

However, the planning was considered by the military to be good practice for its personnel.

'It would have been like Verdun,' alluding to the brutal conflict between German and French troops in 1916 which resulted in a death toll of 306,000.

Even Winston Churchill said while people regarded a war with the U.S. as inconceivable, it was not.

'America felt Britain had thrown it under the bus in order to stay top dog,' says Professor Mike Vlahos, of the U.S. Naval War College.

'The U.S. was forced to contemplate any measure to keep Britain at bay.'

Even Hitler thought such a war was inevitable, but astonishingly wanted Britain to win, believing that to be the best outcome for Germany, since the UK could then join his forces to attack the U.S.

'You have to remember the U.S. was born out of a revolutionary struggle against Britain in 1776,' says Dr. John H. Maurer, of the U.S. Naval War College.

Using available blueprints for this war, modern-day military and naval experts now believe the most likely outcome of such a conflict would have been a massive naval battle in the North Atlantic with very few actual deaths, but ending with Britain handing Canada over to the U.S. in order to preserve our vital trade routes.

However, on June 15, 1939, the same year as the German invasion of Poland, an internal U.S. memo states these plans for an invasion were 'wholly inapplicable', but nevertheless 'should be retained' for the future.

This is now seen as the dawn of and prime reason behind the 'special relationship' between our two countries.
Huge troop movements were launched as an overture to an invasion of Canada

Huge troop movements were launched as an overture to an invasion of Canada, which was to include bombing raids on industrial targets and the use of chemical weapons - the latter signed off by the legendary General Douglas MacArthur, left (file picture)


Isolationism, prosperity and decline: America after WWI

As close allies in numerous conflicts, Britain and America have long enjoyed a 'special relationship'.

Stemming from Churchill and Roosevelt, it has since flourished - from Thatcher and Reagan, and Clinton and Blair, to the Queen and Obama.

We know now that FDR ultimately rejected an invasion of Britain as 'wholly inapplicable'.

But just how special was that relationship in the decade leading up to WWII?

By the start of the 1920s, the American economy was booming.

The 'Roaring Twenties' was an age of increased consumer spending and mass production.

But after the First World War, U.S. public opinion was becoming increasingly isolationist.

This was reflected in its refusal to join the League of Nations, whose principal mission was to maintain world peace.

U.S. foreign policy continued to cut itself off from the rest of the world during that period by imposing tariffs on imports to protect domestic manufacturers.
After a decade of prosperity and optimism, America was thrown into despair when the stock market crashed in October 1929 - marking the start of the Great Depression

These children were part of a squatter community, known bitterly as 'Hoovervilles' because of the President's inability to even admit to the existence of a national crisis after the stock market crash in 1929

And its liberal approach to immigration was also changing.

Millions of people, mainly from Europe, had previously been welcomed to America in search of a better life.

But by 1921, quotas were introduced and, by 1929, only 150,000 immigrants per year were allowed in.

After a decade of prosperity and optimism, America was thrown into despair when the stock market crashed in October 1929 - marking the start of the Great Depression.

The ensuing economic hardship and mass unemployment sealed the fate of President Herbert Hoover's re-election - and Franklin D Roosevelt stormed to victory in March 1933.

He was faced with an economy on the brink of collapse: banks had been shut in 32 states, and some 17million people had been thrown out of work — almost a third of the adult workforce.

And the reality of a worldwide economic depression and the need for increased attention to domestic problems only served to bolster the idea that the U.S. should isolate itself from troubling events in Europe.
When Franklin D Roosevelt was elected as President in 1933, he was faced with an economy on the brink of collapse

When Franklin D Roosevelt was elected as President in 1933, he was faced with an economy on the brink of collapse. Banks had been shut in 32 states, and some 17million people had been thrown out of work

However, this view was at odds with FDR's vision.

He realised the necessity for the U.S. to participate more actively in international affairs - but isolationist sentiment remained high in Congress.

In 1933, President Roosevelt proposed a Congressional measure that would have granted him the right to consult with other nations to place pressure on aggressors in international conflicts.

The bill faced strong opposition from leading isolationists in Congress.

As tensions rose in Europe over the rise of the Nazis, Congress brought in a set of Neutrality Acts to stop America becoming entangled in external conflicts.

Although Roosevelt was not in favour of the policy, he acquiesced as he still needed Congressional support for his New Deal programmes, which were designed to bring the country out of the Depression.

By 1937, the situation in Europe was growing worse and the second Sino-Japanese War began in Asia.

In a speech, he compared international aggression to a disease that other nations must work to 'quarantine'.

But still, Americans were not willing to risk their lives for peace abroad - even when war broke out in Europe in 1939.

A slow shift in public opinion saw limited U.S. aid to the Allies.

And then the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor in December 1941 changed everything.
 
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/10409748-1930-secret-plans-revealed

1930 Secret Plans Revealed -- USA to declare war on the UK
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In 1930 the USA planned to declare war on Britain. This revelation came from secret papers being disclosed.

At that time there was a great political instability around all over the West. However, the US Government seen Britain as their greatest enemy. Therefore, it was decided to set out a plan to kill the British troops in Canada. It was also planned to destroy key targets with bombing raids and chemical weapons.

Included in the plan RED were to attack the Empire trading routes. After all the setting out and planning, signs of the World War II started to build up and then these plans came to nothing.

That is a bit of a revelation but this was in 1930. What is the world or various countries planning at this moment?
 
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/09/h...destroy-britain-just-a-few-years-before-wwii/

How The US Planned To Destroy Britain Just A Few Years Before WWII
By Jesus Diaz on September 22, 2011 at 4:33 pm

Invasion of Canada. Bombing raids on British industrial interests. Naval blockade. Chemical weapons. Six million troops fighting on the Eastern seaboard. This wasn’t a crazy Nazi plan. It was the United States’ strategy to destroy Britain as a world superpower.

It was very real. Its name was War Plan Red. Developed during the 1920s, it was approved by the US Secretary of War and the Secretary of Navy in May 1930. In fact, it was active until Hitler decided to invade Poland with his bloody pal Stalin. The plan wasn’t declassified until 1974. Now, a new documentary by Channel 5 America’s Planned War On Britain: Revealed, shows how this plan became to be alongside other plans that called for war against Mexico (War Plan Green), Japan (Orange), China (Yellow) and even domestic uprising (White).

Unlike the other colour-coded plans, however, the US Congress approved $US57 million for War Plan Red. This money was used to build three military airfields disguised as civilian airports on the Canadian border, which would be used to launch pre-emptive surprise strikes against Canadian air forces and defences.

The plan also included a detailed land invasion strategy — devised with the help of transatlantic flight hero Charles Lindbergh — the bombing of industries in Canada, the use of chemical weapons — which was designed by Army General Douglas MacArthur himself — and a naval blockade that would have kept the British Navy out of the conflict.

The objective of War Plan Red was to neutralize Britain as a worldwide imperial power, collapsing their trading routes. The US believed that the war with the British at the time, even after they briefly fought together during World War I. By the time that world was over, however, Britain owed the United States $US14 billion. With a Great Depression at home, the US population weren’t very fond of their former 1776 masters. In fact, the anti-British sentiment was quite strong at the time.

Fortunately — and unfortunately — a crazy dude by the name of Adolf Hitler decided to declare war on the world, and the US became best pals with the Brits, even while they still hate each other. A little bit. On the inside. Not as much as they hate the French and the Germans, though. [Channel 5, War Plan Red (Wikipedia)]
 
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BURIED deep in the U.S. national archive is a top secret document once regarded as the most sensitive on earth, even more sensitive than the blueprint for Hanley bus station.

​PLANS: Author Atholl Sutherland Brown, left, and historian Steve Harris in the programme.

PLANS: Author Atholl Sutherland Brown, left, and historian Steve Harris in the programme.

In 1930, America wrote a document for war with the Red Empire, her most deadly enemy.

But the Red Empire was not Russia, Japan, or Nazi Germany, it was Britain and all her dominions.

Thankfully, of course, the war never happened. Otherwise right now we'd all be driving round in vast saloon cars, eating maple syrup, and awaiting the arrival of DS Starsky to investigate a shed break-in.

But, according to Five, a channel well known for not sensationalising things, the conflict came nearer to happening than many might think. Canada was at the centre of it. Possibly who didn't want it the most.

The Americans, it seemed, had a natural resentment towards Britain. Despite that period when Tony Blair became George Bush's valet, history tells us that the two countries have rarely got on. Who, for example, could forget the Boston Tea Party when, in a row over taxation, a group of colonists boarded a ship and heaved several boxes of tea into the harbour.

It was the only documented occurrence of a Ty-Phoo slick.

Even the U.S. national anthem, the Star-Spangled Banner, celebrates a victory over the British when Fort McHenry, a star-shaped fort in Maryland, successfully defended Baltimore Harbour from an attack by the British Navy in 1812.

Indeed, there's a reasonable argument for slipping a verse into our own national anthem about the American's poor performance at the last Ryder Cup.

Many in America, it was contended, would have liked nothing better than a showdown with Britain. Middle America and the West Coast is, said the show, notoriously anti-British.

Which must be why Robbie Williams never cracked it in Los Angeles.

The war document drawn up by the Americans describes our national characteristics. "The red race," it says, "is more or less phlegmatic but determined or persistent when committed to a policy and is noted for its ability to fight to a finish."

Sadly this doesn't apply to its tennis players.

The plan spoke of "the destruction of British trade, bringing her to the point of economic exhaustion".

Of course, as it turned out, we were more than capable of doing that ourselves.

In another example of his astute international judgment, Hitler, for one, believed such a war was inevitable. Indeed, he wanted Britain to win a fight between the two. He admired the way the British had ruthlessly established an empire and believed he could better work with them.

Sadly for Hitler it never happened. It's a good job he did himself in in 1945.

He'd have hated Baywatch.
 
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article30531.html

America's Secret War Plans Against the Red Empire, Economic Depression's Ultimate Conclusion

Politics / GeoPolitics Sep 21, 2011 - 01:22 AM

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Best Financial Markets Analysis ArticleTop secret documents reveal America's 1930's plan of war against the Red Empire, but America's foe in this war was not the Soviet Union or Japan, it was not even Nazi Germany, plan red was code for an apocalyptic war with Britain and all its dominions. The plan emerged from the Great Depression amidst the rise of evil regimes at a time when even some in America had been seduced by dark forces.

"I am speaking to you from the cabinet Room of 10 Downing Street, this morning the British Ambassador in Washington handed the American Government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were at once to withdraw their troops from Canada, a state of war would exist between us, I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received and that consequently this country is at war with America." Prime Minister Chamberlain

In the 200 years since the American Revolution, the United States and Great Britain have moved from enemies to firm allies. This documentary follows military experts and historians as they work through the top secret 'War Plan Red' to see how a hypothetical battle between America and Great Britain might have unfolded.

First broadcast at 20:00 20 Sep 2011 - Available until 20:00 19 Sep 2012

The Lesson From History?

Wars follow economic depressions, and the enemy may not be who you think it will be.

Whilst we can discount a war between America and Britain today, after all the red empire now only exists in the history books. There remain several candidates beyond the usual suspects.

To the North is Canada (for which the US has been actively planning to invade for close on 200 years), to the South is Mexico (there have been several wars of conquest already), To the West is China and to the East is Africa (the past decade has seen much action).

I think we can discount Europe and Russia, ..... for now as likely the forces of these military blocks could be utilised in an 'Allied' attack on China as one empire rises and another empire declines.

Now what usually happens the politicians coupled with the intelligence agencies who's primary function is to spread misinformation and propaganda via the mainstream media will seek to demonise and dehumanise the Chinese into a new evil empire, to build up a fever of nationalism in the general population so that they will be eager to lay down their lives on mostly the basis of lies just as countless have fallen for the Iraq threat propaganda and many of whom still continue to believe the lie that somehow Iraq was behind Sept 11th stockpiled with invisible WMD's that were an imminent threat to America and the West.

Economic Depressions are dangerous because they provide easy fuel for the politicians to inflame nationalism with the ultimate conclusion is to mobilise the millions of unemployed towards war on a scale that would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic. Therefore those that rightly criticise the bailouts of banks and even whole countries and the inflationary stimulus spending (including yours truly) need to contemplate the broader picture beyond monetary considerations in that these fiat paper printing actions are mere tips of an ice-berg of what could follow if trends were allowed to proceed towards their logical conclusions, because just as all countries are trending towards debt default bankruptcy and an hyperinflationary panic event (loss of confidence in fiat currency), all countries are also trending towards their own destruction as we repeatedly see but yet fail to acknowledge i.e. Iraq destroyed, Afghanistan destroyed, Libya, Egypt, Syria, pending....?

Greece appears on the fast track towards economic collapse and war with its neighbours (Macedonia ? Turkey? Albania? ), so I can well understand why the Euro-zone will try its hardest to not let it leave because they may well understand that it would open Pandora's box that has kept ancient hatreds in check and thus so far succeeded in preventing a Europe wide war for over 60 years, which is the primary purpose for the creation of the European Union, to anchor Germany down to such an extent so as to prevent Germany from starting its third World War that would result in the annihilation of Europe and much of the rest of the world.

Conclusion

The continuing trend of economic stagnation is stoking the fires of paranoid nationalism that will ultimately result in the need to create enemies to be dealt with for which the prime candidate at this point in time is the emerging China superpower, though when paranoid nationalism lets rip anything is possible, anyone can become 'the enemy'.

The War on Terror and the stripping away of many civil liberties and freedoms so that anyone that does not agree with the military machine must therefore be a traitor, which has created the backdrop for the next phase for the militirisation of America as the only growth industry appears to be the military industrial complex which requires expanding budget deficits and an never ending stream of new enemies to justify its expansion. Watch out for The Patriot Act II, then III, then The Traitor Act I. At the end of the day the enemy will morph to become the general population.

We may well look back on Greece Going bankrupt and leaving the Euro-zone as the spark that ignited World War III, which means that Greece probably won't leave the Euro-zone even when it does go bankrupt.

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The last time US and UK went to war was 1812. UK burnt down the White House but withdrew back to Canada without intention to conquer, just making a point. It was all settled and they've been friends, cousins and brothers in arms ever since. US after becoming big power, backed UK in both WW1 and WW2. I don't know the basis of this story.
 
The last time US and UK went to war was 1812. UK burnt down the White House but withdrew back to Canada without intention to conquer, just making a point. It was all settled and they've been friends, cousins and brothers in arms ever since. US after becoming big power, backed UK in both WW1 and WW2. I don't know the basis of this story.

Then you can also talk about The Independence War 1857 but these are confusing the most important issue.

Which is in 1930 UK & US were close allies and friends but the bastards plotted against one another. That is the important point. LKY old fool count on US to save SGP ass! Base USA troops here. Time to wake up and kick Yankees back to where they belong!

Protect LKY CB!

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Then you can also talk about The Independence War 1857 but these are confusing the most important issue.

Which is in 1930 UK & US were close allies and friends but the bastards plotted against one another. That is the important point. LKY old fool count on US to save SGP ass! Base USA troops here. Time to wake up and kick Yankees back to where they belong!

Protect LKY CB!

:oIo:

Your history is wrong again. The US Independence War was in 1776. That time, it was only 13 colonies, not 50 states as of now. The Parliament of King George III decided it was not worth the while and blood and conceded as long as they kept the vast Canada. The American loyalists and royalists then ran to Canada or back to Britain.
 
Your history is wrong again. The US Independence War was in 1776. That time, it was only 13 colonies, not 50 states as of now. The Parliament of King George III decided it was not worth the while and blood and conceded as long as they kept the vast Canada. The American loyalists and royalists then ran to Canada or back to Britain.

I have wrongly remembered the year figure but 1776 is even further away from 1930, that was the time US UK relation changed to be close allies. Can not trust fucking bastard US.
 
there is no such thing as forever friends or forever enemies...depending on situation.

not surprise that USA has plans for invading UK...
 
there is no such thing as forever friends or forever enemies...depending on situation.
not surprise that USA has plans for invading UK...

yeah. no forever friends or enemies, 只有永远的利益.

e.g. the Chinese government in the 1930s had plans A to Z and was pursing multiple objectives when dealing with the geopolitical situation in China. 1) to form a united front with the Chinese Communists, sought military assistance from the Russians to fight off Japanese aggression. 2) an alliance with Japan, China will recognize Manchukuo, Japan will reciprocate by sending troops into North China to destroy completely the Chinese Communists on behalf of the Chinese government. an military alliance with Japan to defend against Russia and Communism. 3) an alliance with Germany 4) get the support of all the great powers ( US, Britain, Russia etc ) for China war against Japan. 5) China will fight alone in her war against Japan which was what actually happened from 1937-1941.
 
Just because you have a plan doesn't mean you ever intend to use it. The US drafted plans for a range of hypothetical scenarios, many of which were highly unlikely. To borrow a fictional example: Batman keeps a list of detailed plans on how to neutralise the other superheroes in case they turned against humanity. Don't be surprised that in 50 years, declassified documents show plans for dealing with an alien invasion, zombie apocalypse or robot uprising a la Terminator.
 
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