UN should give Palestinians their own country.

[Agoraphobic]

President Abbas is in UN, New York for this. What do you think?

Yes - They gave Israel their land.
No - Jews and Palestinians should share the land.
Don't know.

 

[Ramseth]

UN and Israel had offered to give Palestinians a share of land during the 1948 indpendence declaration. Something like the 1947 India Pakistan partition. They didn't want. They wanted to play showhand, all or nothing.

 

[kingrant]

Has any forummer here read Philip Roth's book "Operation Shylock"?

In it, there is an interesting counter-argument against Zionism, against having an independent state of Israel for the Jews. It argues for some sort of a reverse Zionism - that Jews from Israel should be repatriated back to all the countries where they came from and get themselves assimilated into the various societies. These countries will mostly be in Europe. This reverse Zionism calls for leaving Arab lands and giving Israel back to the Palestinians. This should not be difficult acc to the story, as there are enough wealthy Jews all over the world to contribute to this repatriation process and assimilation program. then all wars in the M-E will end.

The poll should also provide this option!

 

[kingrant]

where you get this piece of shit from, bro? Very biased.

UN and Israel had offered to give Palestinians a share of land during the 1948 indpendence declaration. Something like the 1947 India Pakistan partition. They didn't want. They wanted to play showhand, all or nothing.

 

[Ramseth]

where you get this piece of shit from, bro? Very biased.

It's certainly no piece of shit or biased. It's historical fact. The Israelis only want the strip including Tel Aviv and Jerusalem from the British Mandate. The Palestinians declared all Israelis must go, go where they don't care, just go or fight. The Israelis even conceded Jerusalem a religious partition in the name being a holy land to the respective religions. The Palestinians still wanted to fight. Fought it was, and they lost. Simple as that.

The Israelis by necessity of survival had to take over the whole of Palestine because these are people swearing to exterminate them with the backing of all neighboring Arabs swearing the same.

 

[kingrant]

That is a bigger piece of BS!

the Jews never had a home - they were everywhere. Over centuries, they have been chased from pillar to post all over Europe, by the Christians, by the Romans, then by the germans etc. Israel was never their home. Land was wrenched from Arabs to give to them, and Arabs were forced to concede by force by the British imperialists. The 1949 agreement should never have been made. It was a one sided deal, backed by the Zionists in the Western powers.

It's certainly no piece of shit or biased. It's historical fact. The Israelis only want the strip including Tel Aviv and Jerusalem from the British Mandate. The Palestinians declared all Israelis must go, go where they don't care, just go or fight. The Israelis even conceded Jerusalem a religious partition in the name being a holy land to the respective religions. The Palestinians still wanted to fight. Fought it was, and they lost. Simple as that.

The Israelis by necessity of survival had to take over the whole of Palestine because these are people swearing to exterminate them with the backing of all neighboring Arabs swearing the same.

 

[Ramseth]

That is a bigger piece of BS!

If you claim it's shit, please explain the shit.

It's alright with me. I'm neither Jew nor Muslim.

 

[kingrant]

Oredy explained it in my second para.

If you claim it's shit, please explain the shit.

It's alright with me. I'm neither Jew nor Muslim.

 

[Ramseth]

the Jews never had a home - they were everywhere. Over centuries, they have been chased from pillar to post all over Europe, by the Christians, by the Romans, then by the germans etc. Israel was never their home. Land was wrenched from Arabs to give to them, and Arabs were forced to concede by force by the British imperialists. The 1949 agreement should never have been made. It was a one sided deal, backed by the Zionists in the Western powers.

If you mean this, sigh. It's so contestible. The Jews were there long ago, so were the Palestinians. Why can't they share and get along, that's what I say. In the Qur'an, it's also recorded Moses (Musa), David (Daud) and Soloman (Sulaiman) were there long ago. Well, not Moses since he never crossed Sinai, but certainly David and Soloman. All Hebrews even in Islamic and Arabic context. I'm just for peace and sharing, never for war and enmity. Both Jews and Arabs claim and trace ancestry from Abraham (Ibrahim). Why must things go on like that?

 

[kingrant]

Ok if you had said it like this in the beginning. Tho I am neither a Jew or Muslim, still I found you were so cavalier with yr first post. A war that hasnt ended after 60 over years cannot be just explained away like you did. To be fair to both sides, all we can blame on is religion mixed with politics!

If you mean this, sigh. It's so contestible. The Jews were there long ago, so were the Palestinians. Why can't they share and get along, that's what I say. In the Qur'an, it's also recorded Moses (Musa), David (Daud) and Soloman (Sulaiman) were there long ago. Well, not Moses since he never crossed Sinai, but certainly David and Soloman. All Hebrews even in Islamic and Arabic context. I'm just for peace and sharing, never for war and enmity.

 

[Ramseth]

Ok if you had said it like this in the beginning. Tho I am neither a Jew or Muslim, still I found you were so cavalier with yr first post. A war that hasnt ended after 60 over years cannot be just explained away like you did. To be fair to both sides, all we can blame on is religion mixed with politics!

It can't be explained away just like that of course. I just hope for the best and peace and land for all.

 

[steffychun]

Can thy give non-PAP members their own country?

 

[adultstem]

It can't be explained away just like that of course. I just hope for the best and peace and land for all.

I agree with you. The Arabs wanted to exterminate the Jews. They now have to live with their belligerence and uncompromising stance.

Yes lets hope for the best. May peace be bestowed in the Middle East.

 

[bullfrog]

They certainly have given away Pulau Ubin before....

Can thy give non-PAP members their own country?

 

[hairylee]

Has any forummer here read Philip Roth's book "Operation Shylock"?

In it, there is an interesting counter-argument against Zionism, against having an independent state of Israel for the Jews. It argues for some sort of a reverse Zionism - that Jews from Israel should be repatriated back to all the countries where they came from and get themselves assimilated into the various societies. These countries will mostly be in Europe. This reverse Zionism calls for leaving Arab lands and giving Israel back to the Palestinians. This should not be difficult acc to the story, as there are enough wealthy Jews all over the world to contribute to this repatriation process and assimilation program. then all wars in the M-E will end.

The poll should also provide this option!

Yes, this would be the ideal solution for M-E and I am sure there will be peace; but Jews are troublesome people that cannot co-exist with other people peacefully.
Spreading them out across the globe will be like spreading the fire.

 

[Devil Within]

There will never be peace because the whole region believe in stupidity. Unless they throw away their stupid believe system, else the war will be there forever till whichever side is exterminated.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Has any forummer here read Philip Roth's book "Operation Shylock"?

In it, there is an interesting counter-argument against Zionism, against having an independent state of Israel for the Jews. It argues for some sort of a reverse Zionism - that Jews from Israel should be repatriated back to all the countries where they came from and get themselves assimilated into the various societies. These countries will mostly be in Europe. This reverse Zionism calls for leaving Arab lands and giving Israel back to the Palestinians. This should not be difficult acc to the story, as there are enough wealthy Jews all over the world to contribute to this repatriation process and assimilation program. then all wars in the M-E will end.

The poll should also provide this option!

That would never happen. If that were to be the case all that the jews have fought for would be for naught.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

They can all come to sinkieland.......we can reclaim more land just for them....

we welcome them with open arms

Has any forummer here read Philip Roth's book "Operation Shylock"?

In it, there is an interesting counter-argument against Zionism, against having an independent state of Israel for the Jews. It argues for some sort of a reverse Zionism - that Jews from Israel should be repatriated back to all the countries where they came from and get themselves assimilated into the various societies. These countries will mostly be in Europe. This reverse Zionism calls for leaving Arab lands and giving Israel back to the Palestinians. This should not be difficult acc to the story, as there are enough wealthy Jews all over the world to contribute to this repatriation process and assimilation program. then all wars in the M-E will end.

The poll should also provide this option!

 

[syed putra]

The palestinian issue provides fuel to terrorists.
The jews will never allow an independent Palestine. Why give away conquered territories.
Immigrants the world over, such as those europeans immigrants in the americas, australia and chinese worldwide will never understand the Palestinians plight. only the red indians and aborogines will understand and sympathise with them.

It is a sad and tragic event. Only war and more destruction will resolve the issue. This kind of situation is a "take no prisoners " thing. Winner takes all. Just like in USA and australia.

 

[Char_Azn]

I was in Israel last year and talked with a few Israelis about their thoughts on the country. The Israelis maintained that Palestine should be part of the country but even the pple themselves repeat the same but it's pretty obvious when they talked about the Palestinians that they don't really see them as one of their own. I haven't managed to meet any Palestinian but I think we can say for certain that they do not think themselves part of Israel.

The problem is more then just a religious one IMO. From all the articles that I've read, it's one the Palestine see themselves being driven out of their home by pple who came later. It's totally understandable. They were the majority before the war ended and the Israeli population went up coz of emigration from Europe. For those of you who needs to understand how the Palestinians feel, just think of how U feel when Indians and PRCs came to SG within the last few years. Israelis claimed the country to be their ancestral home base on their holy book however the Palestine were the ones actually living at that time. Of coz it's made more complicated by the fact that much of the land was won with the lives of Israeli solders fighting at the front. Who would be willing to give it up

Personally I think if after so many years the 2 parties are unable to live with each other they never will. Just give the Palestinian their country and be done with it. Israel will have less troubles with their neighbors, the terrorist have 1 less excuse to be terrorist and it's 1 more step towards world peace.