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The Presidency Dilemma , Nathan and other issues.

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I am sure the architects of the office of elected president by now must have realised that they have painted it a corner. Firstly the qualification requirements have reduced the pool of candidates to a very small pond. Imagine a respected member of parliament having served 30 years just does not qualify readily. He is not the only one, a distinguished surgeon, a small time but highly respected publisher or even an ambassador with sterling service also have questions on their eligibility. Would someone with such a background punt on a committee to do the right thing. Interestingly, someone who runs a $100m company immediately meets the qualification and we are talking about alot of people known for their poor conduct, philandering ways, and even known publicly for unethical behaviour.

As to Nathan. If he does not realise by now, go dhelp him. He must have been the most unsuitable candidate for the office. He however does have a point - it cannot be measured by tangible measures. He however is wrong in that the intangibles paint a perception. Yusof Ishak, Sheares and Wee Kim Wee were relatively unknown but they and interestingly their spouses eventually created an air of respectability and grace to the Office of President and to themselves. Nathan who walked in, despite 12 years sitting in the office unfortunately did no such thing. In fact it appears he made the office a laughing stock. Not all is his fault, the fact that they had to raise the salary 3 times over 12 years not by a small % but huge increase to $4.2M added to his woes.

Nathan by nature is quiet as he spent most his career in the Intelligence Service, but his blind loyalty came out even more strongly as he was appointed the Exec Chairman of SPH - a PAP watchdog, and naturally tainted for life. In the years that he was in MFA as Perm Sec did not help either as he looked truly colourless compared to Tommy Koh, Kishore and other luminaries including Bilhari, Chan Heng Chee , Marshall and Walter Woon. I am sure we all agree all these folks no matter their bent politically would have been colourful in office and adding a much sense of respectability. And they all come from MFA. Imagine how many good out there who would not have qualified by people with short sightedness writing policies.

Nathan served as Ambassador to Malaysia and shortly after ignited a diplomatic crisis and was asked by the Malaysians to be removed. He was posted to Washington and ended facing the Michael Fay affair and did not distinguish himself either by stonewalling interviews as he could articulate to save himself.

After the OTC affair, most people knew that it was a poisoned chalice. Not Nathan and it never occurred to him why people were not keen for the office and why he surely must not have been the first, the second or even the third choice. The Govt had in fact cast its net wide and with no luck.

He is now writing a book and hopefully does not disgrace himself again. I am sure he would have realised that releasing the reserves during the financial crisis is something even a16 yr old school boy would have concurred with. It is not an act of bravery neither is it an event that he had to wrestle his conscious overtime.

Sadly his time in Office will probably taken as one elderly couple growing prosperous in more ways than one, clueless about their contributions to the office and the lack of sheen that they cast.
 
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To summarize scroobal's post, Nathan's tenure has been one big fucking embarrassment to the entire country. Totally agree and really don't understand why a fat fuck like that can still live until 80plus...
 
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Agreed with Scro about the architects painting themselves into a corner. When they first created it, they pumped it up by giving the perception that the office is the holder of a separate independent key and capable of providing a check on a rogue govt.

When after the GE2011, the incumbent govt was made to look and feel like a rogue govt, and the people aspired to keep the screws turned on via the EP, the incumbent rogue govt spared no pains trying to manage the expectations by making the EP feel like the people's eunuch instead of a second key holder.
 
To summarize scroobal's post, Nathan's tenure has been one big fucking embarrassment to the entire country. Totally agree and really don't understand why a fat fuck like that can still live until 80plus...

Simple answer to that. He can afford the best health and medical care in the world. When money is not an issue, a lot of problems can be made to go away.
 
The fact that is lost to most everyone and even those that intends to support a candidate is this, the whole thing is a farce. Why anyone can be bothered to worry who should be elected I simply cannot understand. The EP already has his wings clipped and whatever powers given is just a token to make it appear he does have some of them.

This fruitless exercise can be done away with. Just ask LKY whom he wants as EP and it will be done. It is that simple.
 
I also don't really care who wants or gets to be EP. It's the $4 million the dude will collect laughing all the way to the bank that irks me. Trim it down by 1 zero in front, then let's see if the same people are coming forth. I mean, we shld make the guy work his ass off.

If LHL wants to reform, the EP is one office he could abolish.

The fact that is lost to most everyone and even those that intends to support a candidate is this, the whole thing is a farce. Why anyone can be bothered to worry who should be elected I simply cannot understand. The EP already has his wings clipped and whatever powers given is just a token to make it appear he does have some of them.

This fruitless exercise can be done away with. Just ask LKY whom he wants as EP and it will be done. It is that simple.
 
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To summarize scroobal's post, Nathan's tenure has been one big fucking embarrassment to the entire country. Totally agree and really don't understand why a fat fuck like that can still live until 80plus...


hi there


1. aiyoh!
2. one sentence for such specimen: well-fed pig or sheep that does nothing and does not talk back one!
3. very easily maintained too.
 
Thanks. Sums it up well.
To summarize scroobal's post, Nathan's tenure has been one big fucking embarrassment to the entire country. Totally agree and really don't understand why a fat fuck like that can still live until 80plus...
 
They should just revert it to an appointed office. Except for Devan Nair, the rest were exemplary. I am pretty sure they would have enough senses to handle the reserves.


Agreed with Scro about the architects painting themselves into a corner. When they first created it, they pumped it up by giving the perception that the office is the holder of a separate independent key and capable of providing a check on a rogue govt.

When after the GE2011, the incumbent govt was made to look and feel like a rogue govt, and the people aspired to keep the screws turned on via the EP, the incumbent rogue govt spared no pains trying to manage the expectations by making the EP feel like the people's eunuch instead of a second key holder.
 
Agreed with Scro about the architects painting themselves into a corner. When they first created it, they pumped it up by giving the perception that the office is the holder of a separate independent key and capable of providing a check on a rogue govt.

When after the GE2011, the incumbent govt was made to look and feel like a rogue govt, and the people aspired to keep the screws turned on via the EP, the incumbent rogue govt spared no pains trying to manage the expectations by making the EP feel like the people's eunuch instead of a second key holder.

Nair and OTC triggered them to scramble for more controls. They need the post as a perceptive assurance that there is someone up there that holds another key to check the possible squadering away of country's reserves by a one-party govt. They hope to replace the prospect of a multi-party parliament with a toothless tiger on top of them. It all boils down to absolute control and grip. All the mess is starting to show up. :)
 
Actually he quite on the ball one. During Istana open house, he and his retinue of aides-de-camps and brothel press in golf carts will go around and will take pictures of anyone. Pinoys loves that.

They will pose of anything, including hostage bus where Hong Kong tourists were killed.

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hi there
2. one sentence for such specimen: well-fed pig or sheep that does nothing and does not talk back one!
3. very easily maintained too.
 
I am sure the architects of the office of elected president by now must have realised that they have painted it a corner. Firstly the qualification requirements have reduced the pool of candidates to a very small pond. Imagine a respected member of parliament having served 30 years just does not qualify readily. He is not the only one, a distinguished surgeon, a small time but highly respected publisher or even an ambassador with sterling service also have questions on their eligibility. Would someone with such a background punt on a committee to do the right thing. Interestingly, someone who runs a $100m company immediately meets the qualification and we are talking about alot of people known for their poor conduct, philandering ways, and even known publicly for unethical behaviour.

LIKE. A crooked businessman can make $100 million because he is crooked. Would that make him a good president. This criteria is nuts.
 
If I am the PAP, then I would be very concerned about the EP. Given the tide of public opinion, the chances are that a non-PAP nominee will be elected.

The best option will be to bring back the appointed Presidency. The appointment is after all done by the PAP-dominated-Government.

However you cannot just abolish the Elected Presidency. You need the public to suggest that. Therefore your deep cover opinion shapers need to come out and play with the emotions in line with the culture of the different forums. Then in line with public request, they will revert to the appointed Presidency.

Is there a movement in the New Media to bring back the appointed Presidency? If there is, then the above is a possibility. If not, then it is a wrong assumption.
 
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However you cannot just abolish the Elected Presidency. You need the public to suggest that. Therefore your deep cover opinion shapers need to come out and play with the emotions in line with the culture of the different forums. Then in line with public request, they will revert to the appointed Presidency.

The PAP are used to dismissing the new media as noise.
Now you want them to use it to justify abolishing the EP?

Sounds kind of far fetched ...
 
The PAP are used to dismissing the new media as noise.
Now you want them to use it to justify abolishing the EP?

Sounds kind of far fetched ...

I will wait and see how the situation evolve before I say it is far-fetched.

For now, it is to me, a possibility.
 
I will wait and see how the situation evolve before I say it is far-fetched.

For now, it is to me, a possibility.

I suppose desperation can drive people to attempt silly things.
 
As to Nathan. If he does not realise by now, go dhelp him. He must have been the most unsuitable candidate for the office. He however does have a point - it cannot be measured by tangible measures. He however is wrong in that the intangibles paint a perception. Yusof Ishak, Sheares and Wee Kim Wee were relatively unknown but they and interestingly their spouses eventually created an air of respectability and grace to the Office of President and to themselves. Nathan who walked in, despite 12 years sitting in the office unfortunately did no such thing. In fact it appears he made the office a laughing stock. Not all is his fault, the fact that they had to raise the salary 3 times over 12 years not by a small % but huge increase to $4.2M added to his woes.

He is now writing a book and hopefully does not disgrace himself again. I am sure he would have realised that releasing the reserves during the financial crisis is something even a16 yr old school boy would have concurred with. It is not an act of bravery neither is it an event that he had to wrestle his conscious overtime.

Sadly his time in Office will probably taken as one elderly couple growing prosperous in more ways than one, clueless about their contributions to the office and the lack of sheen that they cast.

I do not agree that we cannot measure the worth of an EP's office and the EP himself. There was nothing notable that he did for the 12 years in office. Name one. 12 years is a long time for someone being elected (supposedly) by the people to proof he was worth the effort.

For one thing, maybe he could tell everyone that his pay was too excessive and should be less, considering there are so many poor people in Singapore. Or did he accept the ridiculous amounts as though he deserved every penny and not bat an eyelid when the government insist on increasing his pay by another huge margin some years later? Perhaps he may also think "Actually I deserve more, but I am not complaining, that is how good I am." Did he spent his time in visiting the poor or pay a visit to somebody who either did something noteworthy or been a victim of an unfortunate event? I am asking for 12 noteworthy things he did for his 12 years in office, which surely is not too much to ask.

Whatever immeasurable work he had declared was done is written in his memoirs, I for one will review it and judge. As a voter, I for one will not want to participate in a game invented by the government to lend legitimacy to a puppet.. Why involve the public in an expensive affair on a useless exercise to vote in someone like Nathan who MUST be agreeable to the government?
 
Agree. The committee will be hard pressed to deny such a person the right to contest the elections if there are no court convictions or finding in a formal inquiry. Imagine a High Court judge does not qualify but someone like Tan Cheng Bock, Tan Kin Lian do.
LIKE. A crooked businessman can make $100 million because he is crooked. Would that make him a good president. This criteria is nuts.
 
Agree on the pay. Notice when the Salary review was announced, he quickly said that he was happy to back date his pay. A real clown. Apparently he is writing a book on the presidency so lets see what he did.

All I know is that he used to invite various hawkers to the Istana to cook for certain occasions. From the others I glean that he so proud of the fact that he released the reserves during the financial crisis. Anyone who was living and reading the news would know that it had to be done.
Whatever immeasurable work he had declared was done is written in his memoirs, I for one will review it and judge. As a voter, I for one will not want to participate in a game invented by the government to lend legitimacy to a puppet.. Why involve the public in an expensive affair on a useless exercise to vote in someone like Nathan who MUST be agreeable to the government?
 
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