PAP still hasn't learn, roll out crap Cabinet that makes no sense

[Kohliantye]

I wonder why are there're still people who think there's double or triple pay for two or three portfolios or public office positions? It has been only the one highest positioned pay all along since time immemorial. Otherwise, some of the multi-ministry Ministers or even MOS are paid more than the PM or even the President. When we oppose PAP, oppose with commonsense or even better, with facts.

I agree totally with the above statement by Forvendet as regards the pay. If one does not know the facts, then one should not make wild claims. Come on folks, let us write responsibly and not in a manner that we risk being labelled as a "people with shallow minds". We ought to make fruitful suggestions and reccommendations for a change for the better rather then behaving like people who don't know anything and just write for the sake of writing or oppose for the sake of opposing. Remember many people are reading this Forum page. If we continue to behave irresponsibly like this, then be prepared for a day that will dawn when people will will view this forum peices as nothing but the "Funny Bones" department of a certain magazine long long time ago.
Infact we should be thankful to the Prime Minister for resorting to such a move in appointing Ministers heading different ministries at the same time, as it means much savings for the State in terms of salaries paid to individual ministers heading each and every ministry. Such multi-tasking is the right approach, as the ministers, ministers of state and permanent secretaries concerned will have to work harder for their high salaries. These office-holders will have to be sacrifice a lot of their time directing the various ministries, ministers of states, perm secs, heads of departments besides looking after their own areas of responsibility - be it meet the people session or some other important task at home or abroad.
I agree with Papsmearer, that the Prime Minister should also NOT have too many ministers or ministers of state in the PMO. I feel that these leaders should be ministerial portfolios to lead a ministry or two to. It would them exposure and certainly make economic sense.
As for PAPsmearer's respected opinion, that an ex-military person and a medical doctor should run the Defence and Health Ministries, respectively begs my humble deference, for I feel that one DON'T have to be a professional to do certain things, as one would have under his/her command, many brilliant civil servants to do that job effectively.
Now just take the PAP as an opposition party that was swept into power during the recent elections! They have to appoint their own Cabinet, don't they? The same would go with the WP, SPP, SDP, RP, NSP and SDA if they were to have swept into power.
The removal from the cabinet of the former Home Affairs Minister, National Development Minister and Transport Minister are decisions made in the right direction and certainly for the good of Singapore. We need leaders who are humble and not the "arrogant-type" who feels that he or she can shout down on Singaporeans or push unpopular policies through. This is an era of a Consultative-type of governance not the "I know better type of leadership" which does not work anymore.
In conclusion, I honestly feel that retaining Dr Vivian Balakrishnan is a big mistake. He should himself step down and make way for a newer candidate.
But since the PM has said that within 2 years they will re-look at the appointments, let's wait and see.
At the end of the day, this is our beloved Nation and we all have every right to be concerned.

 

[Forvendet]

Minister in the PM office is a bloody joke, this is not even a real job.

Having Back door MP appointed Minister is a Joke

Having new citizen, first time MP hiding under GRC who did not serve NS and converted to New Citizen just 2 years ago appointed Minister is also a Joke

The whole system is a bloody joke.

There has alway been one Minister without portfolio at PMO. That one actually has a portfolio, i.e. NTUC. When there're more than one, these are simply PM assistants. They only handle whatever PMO tasks assigned to them by PM. But true, these are usually miscellaneous odd jobs in political sense that could have been easily assigned directly to the respective ministries holding the relevant portfolios.

 

[Papsmearer]

I agree totally with the above statement by Forvendet as regards the pay. If one does not know the facts, then one should not make wild claims. Come on folks, let us write responsibly and not in a manner that we risk being labelled as a "people with shallow minds". We ought to make fruitful suggestions and reccommendations for a change for the better rather then behaving like people who don't know anything and just write for the sake of writing or oppose for the sake of opposing. Remember many people are reading this Forum page. If we continue to behave irresponsibly like this, then be prepared for a day that will dawn when people will will view this forum peices as nothing but the "Funny Bones" department of a certain magazine long long time ago.

U know, all this controversy over the pay can easily be resolved. Just ask the ministers to declare their total earnings or show their tax returns. What have they got to hide? Obama's tax records are a matter of public purview. They have been asked many times to do so, and they have refused. Who's fault is it? I know exactly how the minister salaries are supposed to be divided up between the ministries. But theory is one thing, lets see if they actually do it in practice. If you can show me, than I will take back what I said, until than, u are whistling in the wind defending something u yourself have no knowledge off.

Infact we should be thankful to the Prime Minister for resorting to such a move in appointing Ministers heading different ministries at the same time, as it means much savings for the State in terms of salaries paid to individual ministers heading each and every ministry. Such multi-tasking is the right approach, as the ministers, ministers of state and permanent secretaries concerned will have to work harder for their high salaries. These office-holders will have to be sacrifice a lot of their time directing the various ministries, ministers of states, perm secs, heads of departments besides looking after their own areas of responsibility - be it meet the people session or some other important task at home or abroad.

Are u stupid? I am suppossed to be thankful for some asshole because he save some salary? In the first place, if they did not pay themselves so much money, and got paid what other ministers in the world get paid, I would be much more thankful for that. They could have saved much more salary that way. Your logic is sheer stupidity. I don't want these fuckers to multi-task juggling several portfolios. I want them to do an outstanding job on one portfolio, not do a half ass job on 3 portfolios.

I agree with Papsmearer, that the Prime Minister should also NOT have too many ministers or ministers of state in the PMO. I feel that these leaders should be ministerial portfolios to lead a ministry or two to. It would them exposure and certainly make economic sense.

As for PAPsmearer's respected opinion, that an ex-military person and a medical doctor should run the Defence and Health Ministries, respectively begs my humble deference, for I feel that one DON'T have to be a professional to do certain things, as one would have under his/her command, many brilliant civil servants to do that job effectively.

If you have no experience in military or defence matter, how do you know to select a brilliant civil servant in that Ministry? How do u know they are brilliant MINDEF civil servants, if cannot judge whether they are snowing you or not? That is why when you are in charge of a ministry, u have to have some experience in what the ministry does, so u keeo them on their toes. Also, if the civil servants are so brilliant, let them run the ministry than, get rid of the Minister position.

Now just take the PAP as an opposition party that was swept into power during the recent elections! They have to appoint their own Cabinet, don't they? The same would go with the WP, SPP, SDP, RP, NSP and SDA if they were to have swept into power.
The removal from the cabinet of the former Home Affairs Minister, National Development Minister and Transport Minister are decisions made in the right direction and certainly for the good of Singapore. We need leaders who are humble and not the "arrogant-type" who feels that he or she can shout down on Singaporeans or push unpopular policies through. This is an era of a Consultative-type of governance not the "I know better type of leadership" which does not work anymore.
In conclusion, I honestly feel that retaining Dr Vivian Balakrishnan is a big mistake. He should himself step down and make way for a newer candidate.
But since the PM has said that within 2 years they will re-look at the appointments, let's wait and see.
At the end of the day, this is our beloved Nation and we all have every right to be concerned.

I think u really have to wake up earlier to smoke people in this forum, your views are really nonsensical, and they really smack of some YPAP writing.

 

[Papsmearer]

There has alway been one Minister without portfolio at PMO. That one actually has a portfolio, i.e. NTUC. When there're more than one, these are simply PM assistants. They only handle whatever PMO tasks assigned to them by PM. But true, these are usually miscellaneous odd jobs in political sense that could have been easily assigned directly to the respective ministries holding the relevant portfolios.

Yes, but that these useless PMO ministers would miss out on a multimillion $ salary. So, u have to park them there, call them ministers, and let them collect the salary.

 

[Papsmearer]

I applaud PM Lee Hsien Loong on his new Cabinet.

I do not know his rationale and I am also not in a position to assess its implications. Neither am I an opposition member where everything that PM LHL does is wrong. But I applaud him because he has demonstrated his desire to institute change.

As we in Singapore are now in the beginning of a new era in PAP's management and leadership, I wish him every success and may he take care of us in the manner of a benevolent leader towards his people.

He confirmed for me that the PAP is the party with the greatest potential to watch over the next five years. The other is WP.

May God bless him and new cabinet with leading Singapore in a positive manner.

How can u call it change, when most of the same faces are still there? If you call putting unproven people who were not even in politics 10 days ago into ministerial positions change, than I am here to tell u its downright scary and its change we can do without. I find this interesting when this thread has over 1200 visits, than all the pro PAP assholes come out and try to mitigate the sentiment here.

 

[Papsmearer]

You may be right. At least they started on the road to change.

It is also made very clear that it is now PM Lee's show. If he can perform, it is to his credit. If he cannot, the buck stop with him.

This is a far better development than to have the other oppositions coming into Parliament and preventing him from actualizing his capabilities. The WP is moderate and will serve as the people's mandate in ways the others cannot - providing criticism and yet allowing PM LHL the leeway to produce a worthwhile government.

If PM LHL cannot deliver, the WP will point it out and next election, the WP will win hands down as the people withdraw their confidence from PM LHL and his government.

If PM LHL can deliver, the WP may or may not increase their seats but the other oppositions most likely cannot. But the people gain from a more humane and more capable Prime Minister.

Hence my prayers for him and his team as their success benefits Singaporeans.

Gay Loong has been PM for so many years, and DPM before that, and only now do u say its his show? Hahahaha. U are a real comedian. If it hasn't been his show all these yearsm than why is he collecting his salary as PM, he should just fuck off.

 

[Forvendet]

Yes, but that these useless PMO ministers would miss out on a multimillion $ salary. So, u have to park them there, call them ministers, and let them collect the salary.

I think reasonable is one MOS at PMO. NTUC should be liberated and not under PMO (but that's a distant dream).

 

[Papsmearer]

I think reasonable is one MOS at PMO. NTUC should be liberated and not under PMO (but that's a distant dream).

No, I think he should get 1 DPM and that's it. In the event he is killed or sick, DPM takes over, akin to the role of VP in the US system. If that is not enough for him, he should quit.

 

[Forvendet]

I think reasonable is one MOS at PMO. NTUC should be liberated and not under PMO (but that's a distant dream).

No, I think he should get 1 DPM and that's it. In the event he is killed or sick, DPM takes over, akin to the role of VP in the US system. If that is not enough for him, he should quit.

DPM always have his own portfolio(s). The DPM designation is for exactly what you mentioned above, in case of PM absence or emergency. So I think one MOS at PMO is reasonable. You're entitled to your views of course.

Unlike you or Uncle Yap, I don't hate PAP and have nothing personal against the Lee family. I vote against them because I think they've been unreasonably and extravangantly lavish on themselves without caring for the people anymore.

 

[Papsmearer]

Unlike you or Uncle Yap, I don't hate PAP and have nothing personal against the Lee family. I vote against them because I think they've been unreasonably and extravangantly lavish on themselves without caring for the people anymore.

Wait a minute. U are saying they are unreasonable, extravagantly lavish, uncaring about the people, etc. and yet u don't hate them? Hahhahaha. If they come to your house, rape your wife, steal your money and shoot your dog, will u hate them than? U are such an idiot.

 

[Whats4]

the whole problem lies with pap itself, not just the ministers that got replaced and the new ones shoved in. as long as pap is incharge, there won't be much changes to the direction snkapore is heading.

 

[Papsmearer]

the whole problem lies with pap itself, not just the ministers that got replaced and the new ones shoved in. as long as pap is incharge, there won't be much changes to the direction snkapore is heading.

Yes, I believe this to be true, the only positive that i can get from this reshuffle is that in 5 years time, the whole placed will be so screwed up that the oppo should get get many more seats, maybe even a narrow majority.

 

[Forvendet]

Wait a minute. U are saying they are unreasonable, extravagantly lavish, uncaring about the people, etc. and yet u don't hate them?

I want them either to correct or get out. No, I don't hate them. Hate is too strong a word in this context. They didn't do anything personally harmful to me or my family. Dislike, diagree, even disdain and disgust, yes.

 

[KuanTi01]

These changes are cosmetic, experimental and therefore expect more mistakes/fiascos from the ministers. By the time next GE comes around, more seats wil be lost to the opposition because more and better qualified persons are joining the opposition instead of the PAP. Walls have ears!Heaven got eyes!

 

[steffychun]

No Speaker of Parliament annouced yet

 

[Papsmearer]

These changes are cosmetic, experimental and therefore expect more mistakes/fiascos from the ministers. By the time next GE comes around, more seats wil be lost to the opposition because more and better qualified persons are joining the opposition instead of the PAP. Walls have ears!Heaven got eyes!

Yes, cosmetic and experimental is the word. Gay Loong has really hitched his horse to the Tharm wagon. As Tharm goes, so will he.

 

[LeMans2011]

I told you so... just a little wayang have already won back 10% of the votes, judging by the response in this forum alone. Sinkies' mind are well-conditioned by PAP... they just need to press a few buttons and will regain control. Initially i thought GE 2016 is going to be the real "watershed"... but after reading the response in this forum i think it will be 2061.

 

[tanwahtiu]

PAP has deceived the citizens saying that only scholar type qualified people can do ministrial jobs but their quali and experiences do not match their appointment. This is why even people with no quali but with passion for serving people can be your MP. Next tme vote for taxi drivers, hawkers who has passion to serve the voters to be your MP will do.

People are looking to see if there are real attitude changes within the PAP. They want to know that the PAP will address some of the problems they perceive, like for example the high minister salaries. Nothing has changed there, lackeys are still feeding at the public trough.

1) Tharm gets 3 ministerial positions? Shit, someone should enter him in the Guiness Book of Records for holding the most ministerial positions in the history of a democratic govt. He gets DPM, Minister of Finance and Minister of Manpower. Can we say jack of all trades, master of none. Is the PAP so short of talent that they cannot find capable people to separately run these ministries? Exactly what has Tharm done in his prior job that makes us believe that he can hold down 3 ministerial positions at one time? I can see him holding the Finance portfolio, but Manpower too? He is going to get rich from the 3 paychecks.

2) After all these years, Gay Loong still can't run the place without 5 other ministers in his office? I was looking for him to cut out at least 4 positions in the PMO, and just have one DPM to help him. Instead, he has added one more person. Are they there to make coffee for him or carry his testicles or what?
DPMs X 2 = Tharm and Teo
Minister in the PMO X 2= Lim Swee Say, and Iswaran
Minister of state, PMO = Heng Chee How

3) Appointing people who have no background in their ministry at all seems to be the norm now. Tharm knows something about Manpower? Teo knows something about Home Affairs? Lim Hng Kiang has been recycled so any times, first Minister in the PMO, than Minister of Health, than MND, and now MITI minister? Is he so bad that they just keep moving him aroun instead of letting him go? Bargain Hen, a medical doctor by profession is now Minsiter of defence? Wow, how did that happen. Gan Kim Yong, a trained engineer and former CEO of Natsteel is now Minister for Health? WTF. Why don't u just stick bargain Hen there?

4) What's with people that we have never heard of just a few months ago becoming ministers all of a sudden. I mean these are rookie 9 day old MPs, all of a sudeen can become ministers? What ever became of them having to prove they can serve their constituents first before they can serve the whole country as ministers? Did they miss out a few steps and just pass go and go straight to the minister level? That's just ludicrous.
eg Chan Chin SIng now holds 2 ministerial portfolios after just 9 days in politics? Acting MCYS minister and Minister of state for MICA.
Newbie Heng Swee Keat, this guy has everything to do with money, being ex-MAS chair, perm sec for MITI, etc, but they don't put him in Finance, they stick him in education.
SAme for BGTan, now minister of state for MOM and MND after 9 days in politics too. The list goes on.

How can sinkies still trust this govt. after all these nonsensical appointments. Gay Loong wants to listen to the people? Well the people are telling him to save money and don't need so many damn ministers at multi-million $ a piece. They want him to appoint competent ministers with proven backgrounds in their areas of expertise to run the relevant ministries so that their lives can improve. Poeple want ministerial appointments to make sense.

 

[longbow]

Aiyah, regardless on how they shuffle deck chairs they are forced to become much more transparent. Failing which they will lose even more seats.

My sense of whether PM is now calling the shots is the minister pay issue. I suspect that was from MM and it was difficult for PM to swallow but he went along.

The high pay actually made it difficult for the ministers to be credible. Politically it was suicide. Would not be surprised if some ministers would prefer a lower pay - maybe $600K a year plus small pension of 10% of last pay. But then that would cross words with MM.

 

[IR123]

Gay Loong has been PM for so many years, and DPM before that, and only now do u say its his show? Hahahaha. U are a real comedian. If it hasn't been his show all these yearsm than why is he collecting his salary as PM, he should just fuck off.

We definitely hold different ideas. Let's leave it at that.