Mad Anwar tell Lee Kuan Yew to proof his sodomy

[Spock]

Strategically, if war it is, must conquer the whole peninsula instead of just Johor, because with Johor, the land border with the rest of the peninsula would be several hundred kilometres long, untenable and indefensible to counter attacks that could take Singapore as well. The Japanese invasion was a good example. The bottlenecks are at the Thai-Malaya border and the Malaya-Singapore border of Johor Straits. In between, the peninsula is a military must-have-all or have none.

Not necessarily. If you can fight to a crushing victory or a stalemate and the other party is willing to end the war and cede the territory to you formally, you get to keep the land for at least some time until the next war happens. The British held on to HK until they realised they have no choice but to hand HK back to China for political reasons. Similarly for the Korean Peninsula. It helps if you possess weapons of mass destruction as well.

 

[Spock]

I'll try to make a list of sovereign countries that are not more then 10 times the area of SG, sorted by size(excluding all Overseas territories of bigger nations)

With the exception of the Oil producing countries(got oil, confirm rich) and those in the EU(rich neighbors), most of them are in the poorest country territory. So yeap I stick to what I said

Now you are doing cherry-picking to prove your point. Most of the small countries you mention are smack in the middle of nowhere and do not have significant population sizes. SG is able to thrive mainly because it lies right in the path of a major trading route. I am not saying that this is solely the reason but if SG is located in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, I can assure you that no amount of brilliant policies will cause little red dot to be an economic success.

 

[Zombie]

Not necessarily. If you can fight to a crushing victory or a stalemate and the other party is willing to end the war and cede the territory to you formally, you get to keep the land for at least some time until the next war happens. The British held on to HK until they realised they have no choice but to hand HK back to China for political reasons. Similarly for the Korean Peninsula. It helps if you possess weapons of mass destruction as well.

Hong Kong = 99 year lease

 

[Char_Azn]

Now you are doing cherry-picking to prove your point. Most of the small countries you mention are smack in the middle of nowhere and do not have significant population sizes. SG is able to thrive mainly because it lies right in the path of a major trading route. I am not saying that this is solely the reason but if SG is located in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, I can assure you that no amount of brilliant policies will cause little red dot to be an economic success.

Who the hell is cherry picking, someone declared that small countries are easier to run. I gave a comprehensive list of countries that are of comparable size to SG. Instead of calling the person who only pick and choose countries which are of comparable wealth out of this this very same list, the one who showed you the entire list gets called the nitpicker. Wow!!!!

And here are some places located in the middle of freaking nowhere which seem to be doing pretty well. You might have heard of some of them

New Zealand
Australia
South Africa
Norway
Finland

Just in case you are wondering why I "cherry pick" chose those countries. take a good look at a map and figure out where they are

 

[Leongsam]

Hong Kong = 99 year lease

The lease applied to the New Territories only. HK Island and Kowloon were ceded in perpetuity.

 

[Ramseth]

Hong Kong = 99 year lease

Actually, HK Island was ceded perpetually from Opium War 1. Kowloon and NT were ceded on 150-year lease from Opium War 2. All were then merged as HK Colony under a single administration. That's why it's not a straightforward expiry of lease and return of lands. Tedious negotiations were conducted to arrive at the conclusion of it's best for the whole terrority to be an SAR under PRC. UK had full legal rights to HK Island perpetually, that was the concession ultimately made as HK Island would become untenable if Kowloon and NT were returned, to which PRC has legal rights. For if UK insisted on keeping HK Island, the rush of population over from Kowloon and NT before handover would probably drown the island.

 

[Spock]

And here are some places located in the middle of freaking nowhere which seem to be doing pretty well. You might have heard of some of them

New Zealand
Australia
South Africa
Norway
Finland

Just in case you are wondering why I "cherry pick" chose those countries. take a good look at a map and figure out where they are

Why the hell you list these countries for? They are not located in the middle of nowhere as they have neighbours close by except maybe New Zealand but NZ can't be considered a small country by SG's standard.

Your point was that it is much harder to manage a small country than a bigger country. I said you were cherry-picking your examples because all the small countries you list as poor seem to be located right smack in the middle of the ocean. I am pretty sure there is no way for SG to thrive economically if it is located in the middle of the Pacific Ocean no matter how many LKYs it has.

The main argument, therefore, is that it is difficult for a country to thrive if it is small and located in a remote region. If it is not small or not located in a remote region, then it may possess the right conditions for it to thrive. SG's situation is different from the small poor countries you mention because it is perfectly placed on a major trading route.

 

[mako65]

This is exciting, as it's a closed door discussion...I wonder who's taking the receiving end?tink shld b tat "KY guy" himself...hahaha!

 

[Spock]

Actually, HK Island was ceded perpetually from Opium War 1. Kowloon and NT were ceded on 150-year lease from Opium War 2. All were then merged as HK Colony under a single administration. That's why it's not a straightforward expiry of lease and return of lands.

Just a slight correction. Kowloon was ceded to Britain in perpetuity after the second Opium War. New Territories was leased from Qing dynasty for 99 years from 1898, hence the handover took place in 1997 when the lease ended.

 

[Char_Azn]

Why the hell you list these countries for? They are not located in the middle of nowhere as they have neighbours close by except maybe New Zealand but NZ can't be considered a small country by SG's standard.

Your point was that it is much harder to manage a small country than a bigger country. I said you were cherry-picking your examples because all the small countries you list as poor seem to be located right smack in the middle of the ocean. I am pretty sure there is no way for SG to thrive economically if it is located in the middle of the Pacific Ocean no matter how many LKYs it has.

The main argument, therefore, is that it is difficult for a country to thrive if it is small and located in a remote region. If it is not small or not located in a remote region, then it may possess the right conditions for it to thrive. SG's situation is different from the small poor countries you mention because it is perfectly placed on a major trading route.

The countries I listed satisfy your condition. Right in the middle of freaking nowhere. Take a look at the map again. To get to Australia and NZ, and ship plane will need to have to go a long way out of their usual shipping zone to get there. Same goes for Norway. I am unable to pick other countries in the middle of freaking nowhere coz there is only a few countries which happened to be in the middle of freaking nowhere. That's the whole point to the meaning of in the middle of freaking nowhere

And like I said again I did not cherry pick on countries in the middle of nowhere. I gave a full list of small countries. Take a good look at the post from Ramseth that I was replying to. That is called cherry picking. Showing U a full list of small countries including the rich and the poor is not cherry picking. Showing anyone a comprehensive list of anything is not cherry picking

As for countries located in remote regions. Here are some countries in my list that is not located in the middle of freaking nowhere and are still poor

Saint Kitts and Nevis
Maldives
Grenada
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Barbados
Antigua and Barbuda
Dominica
Bahrain
Trinidad and Tobago
Puerto Rico
Cyprus
Lebanon
Jamaica
The Gambia
Montenegro
The Bahamas
East Timor

Taking away the Pacific Islands and the more remote parts of Africa, the richer EU nations and Oil producing nations, I still end up with about half of my original list

 

[jacobsgoh]

lky, being the real statesman of Leeapore, should and must prove his worth that the fuck backside case in M'sia is and was as what he[lky] believed took place, or he[lky] would be deemed a LAIR for life and after life.

 

[Zombie]

The lease applied to the New Territories only. HK Island and Kowloon were ceded in perpetuity.

yes, i know that...
but HK Island and Kowloon are too small to be proven useful "going forward " and they are very much surrounded by the New Territories..
China can "kill" it quite easily using the New Territories..

 

[Ramseth]

Just a slight correction. Kowloon was ceded to Britain in perpetuity after the second Opium War. New Territories was leased from Qing dynasty for 99 years from 1898, hence the handover took place in 1997 when the lease ended.

Thanks. My error. HK and KL in perpetuity. NT on lease.

 

[Spock]

yes, i know that...
but HK Island and Kowloon are too small to be proven useful "going forward " and they are very much surrounded by the New Territories..
China can "kill" it quite easily using the New Territories..

SG is in almost exactly the same situation, just replace China with MY and HK with SG, so do you foresee SG becoming part of MY again?

 

[Dreamer1]

I'll try to make a list of sovereign countries that are not more then 10 times the area of SG, sorted by size(excluding all Overseas territories of bigger nations)

Monaco
Nauru
San Marino
Liechtenstein
Marshall Islands
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Maldives
Malta
Grenada
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Barbados
Antigua and Barbuda
Seychelles
Palau
Andorra
Federated States of Micronesia
Singapore
Kiribati
Tonga
Dominica
Bahrain
São Tomé and Príncipe
Mauritius
Luxembourg
Samoa
Cape Verde
Trinidad and Tobago
Brunei
Puerto Rico
Cyprus
Lebanon
Jamaica
The Gambia
Qatar
Vanuatu
Montenegro
The Bahamas
East Timor
Swaziland
Kuwait
Fiji

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_total_area

Define COUNTRY.

 

[Char_Azn]

Define COUNTRY.

Here's your definition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country

 

[Dreamer1]

Here's your definition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country

Thank you,ok.

 

[potato29]

old fart is daft. if it is a trap then they would have the evidence.

 

[Zombie]

SG is in almost exactly the same situation, just replace China with MY and HK with SG, so do you foresee SG becoming part of MY again?

Rather,
A) Singapore (except Sentosa+VivocityArea) = New Territories (99 years lease)
B) Sentosa = HK Island (perpetuity)
C) Vivocity Area = Kowloon (perpetuity)

If we give up A because of 99 years lease, we better give up B and C
Else 5 million people will be flooding B and C before the lease expires.

 

[Char_Azn]

SG is in almost exactly the same situation, just replace China with MY and HK with SG, so do you foresee SG becoming part of MY again?

First off:
HK was under British Rule when they were given back to China, they never really have a say in this

SG is already an independent country, very big difference.

Next
I think it's more likely that Asean form a closer union similar to the EU for economy reasons to compete with the big boys then for SG to join with MY which doesn't really benefit each other as much