SIA and Singapore in a bad light - The Trent Rolls Royce

[scroobal]

Truly an embarrassing episode for all Singaporeans and SIA and a huge feather in the cap for Qantas.

This has been the talk of the town and I mean around the world on the behaviour of Singaporeans and our 3rd world mentality and the lack of civic responsibility.

SIA was already aware that the engine is an issue as it was forced to replace one in London. Yet it had the temerity to clear all their engines good to go within hours of Qantas debacle. A week later, they are now replacing 3 engines.

Chew Choon Seng is widely respected for his dual numerate and literate ability and what a farewell gift. Picked out by JY Pillay and sharing the same alumni and this.

It has also opened up old wounds on the silkair crash and the judge barring any mention of pilot suicide at the start of the hearing.

The press as usual has kept some details quiet about cancelled flights, put up in hotel so that the 747 can be released for 380 passengers. Talk about image.

It is also a lesson not to tranfer scholar idiots who fail in the SAF to SIA engineering

 

[Dreamer1]

(1)Is Chew still running SIA?

(2)isnt BG Bay(Scholar)still in SIA waiting to take over as CEO?

Thank you.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroo

Its mostly a technical issue and the maintanence of the trent 900s on SQ have been given over to Rolls Royce as part of their total care program

What has happened is that as Rolls Royce the designer of the engines has come to grips with the specifics of the problem after examination of the blown engine and after examinations of a very small in service fleet of engines, they have had a clearer idea of what and where the problem occurred and as the understanding grows thus the recommended course of action to be taken grows.

Quantas has taken one very safe approach vis sa vis their operation of Rolls Royce Trents, whereby SIA and Lufthansa have taken another approach



Locke

 

[scroobal]

Bay rank wise is the most senior after Chew. They promoted him so that they can bring in someone more capable than this clown whose wife wears the pants in the house.

For the CEO selection exercise, none of the favourites got it. A relative outsider and a young chiku got it and he is ambitious.Watch the fun as flies it like the way Temasek does business.

Chew leaving soon for SGX and taking over from his mentor.

(1)Is Chew still running SIA?

(2)isnt BG Bay(Scholar)still in SIA waiting to take over as CEO?

Thank you.

 

[scroobal]

Bro, you completely missed the point. Nothing to do with technicals. Anything to do mechanics will have issues. Its about PR, spin and making a fool of oneself.

All they had to do was say that they will do a thorough check. Not certify it good to go immediately after the Qantas annoucement of grounding the fleet.

Chew also made a silly comment after they announced that they will be replacing 3 engines. Nothing to do with it can fly with one engine not working. Its the explosion and the damage it does to the fuselage. Qantas was near miss as the damage is evident.

Dear Scroo

Its mostly a technical issue and the maintanence of the trent 900s on SQ have been given over to Rolls Royce as part of their total care program

What has happened is that as Rolls Royce the designer of the engines has come to grips with the specifics of the problem after examination of the blown engine and after examinations of a very small in service fleet of engines, they have had a clearer idea of what and where the problem occurred and as the understanding grows thus the recommended course of action to be taken grows.

Quantas has taken one very safe approach vis sa vis their operation of Rolls Royce Trents, whereby SIA and Lufthansa have taken another approach



Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroo

Its is a technical issue in the sense that as Rolls Royce investigates , than what was obviously not a problem was seen to be an indicator of a problem later.

Quantas grounded its fleet first no questions asked , SQ or Rolls Royce they checked it found no problems but as Rolls Royce gets to grip or understands the problem then whatever was not an issue could become an issue later and hence a later change.

There have been near misses in other engines on other fleets, but they rarely result in fleet wide groundings and its only when the cause is understood in depth



Locke

 

[halsey02]

Qantas was near miss as the damage is evident.

When I saw pictures of the parts that dropped over Batam & the extent of the engine damage, I told myself, God was holding up the plane...it was really a big disaster in the making, had it not occured now.

 

[scroobal]

Yes, you got it right. God indeed helped them. If it punctured the wing tanks it would have blown up sky high like the French Concorde.

I get damn mad when people are still talking about flying with one engine down.

One of the SIA Board member was so mad that he summoned the fucking chairman to explain. The fucking Taiwanese got the fucking of his life.



Truly a lucky country - Australia that is.

When I saw pictures of the parts that dropped over Batam & the extent of the engine damage, I told myself, God was holding up the plane...it was really a big disaster in the making, had it not occured now.

 

[scroobal]

SIA was the first airline in the world that found the oil leak in the trent engine in London. It was replaced with a brand new engine quietly.. If the Qantas plane had blown up over Batam, you and I won't be having this conversation.

I am not talking about grounding the planes like Qantas but say that they are also checking. Yet within 12 hrs, they made a statement that checks proved that it was alright. So what check did they do - check if the warranty sticker had not expired?

Get the picture.

Dear Scroo

Its is a technical issue in the sense that as Rolls Royce investigates , than what was obviously not a problem was seen to be an indicator of a problem later.

Quantas grounded its fleet first no questions asked , SQ or Rolls Royce they checked it found no problems but as Rolls Royce gets to grip or understands the problem then whatever was not an issue could become an issue later and hence a later change.

There have been near misses in other engines on other fleets, but they rarely result in fleet wide groundings and its only when the cause is understood in depth



Locke

 

[kingrant]

What's the grand idea? Was SIA trying to capitalise on the issue to snatch cusotmers from QANTAS? And ended up with cake in the face? Like this, SIA is exactly like Singapore - bloated with its own propaganda.

SIA was the first airline in the world that found the oil leak in the trent engine in London. It was replaced with a brand new engine quietly.. If the Qantas plane had blown up over Batam, you and I won't be having this conversation.

I am not talking about grounding the planes like Qantas but say that they are also checking. Yet within 12 hrs, they made a statement that checks proved that it was alright. So what check did they do - check if the warranty sticker had not expired?

Get the picture.

 

[scroobal]

In London and people are talking about Qantas and the SIA story. The primary focus is Qantas luck and safety record. The secondary issue is the 3rd world mentality and the typical lack of human consideration (safety and cheapness of asian lives) by asian leaders and corporate figures.

Really sucks. I was so disappointed. They had 3 engines with oil leaks and not one.

I don't think they were capitalising, the typical habit of pretending there is no problem similar to the floods. First the excuse that rubbish blocking storm drain. Then next flood suddenly no excuse.

What's the grand idea? Was SIA trying to capitalise on the issue to snatch cusotmers from QANTAS? And ended up with cake in the face? Like this, SIA is exactly like Singapore - bloated with its own propaganda.

 

[Papsmearer]

In London and people are talking about Qantas and the SIA story. The primary focus is Qantas luck and safety record. The secondary issue is the 3rd world mentality and the typical lack of human consideration (safety and cheapness of asian lives) by asian leaders and corporate figures.

Really sucks. I was so disappointed. They had 3 engines with oil leaks and not one.

I don't think they were capitalising, the typical habit of pretending there is no problem similar to the floods. First the excuse that rubbish blocking storm drain. Then next flood suddenly no excuse.

I think its just luck that SQ did not have an inflight accident with the engine. What cockliberal does not understand is that Quantas has simply lost faith in their RR Trent maintenance people and does not trust them anymore. All these airlines signed a maintenance agreement with RR, so those people maintaining the Trent engines are actually RR employees and not Quantas or SQ or Luftansa employees. That is why SQ's Trent can have 3 different episodes of engine oil leak, and all covered up by the RR employees. Quantas RR employees also did the same thing and did not reveal to the airline the potential seriousness and implications of the oil leak. That is why Quantas suspended all Trent 900 ops. SQ should have done the same thing too.

Quantas realised that RR and them are in a basic conflict of interest. Its in RR's interest to hide any issues with the Trent 900 engine, and to quietly cover any deficiencies up. Their contract with Quantas I am sure has penalty clauses for availability of planes, and for engine hours used. Of course, in Sinkieland, Conflict of Interest is not in the vocabulary of any GLCs, nor of the PAP. As for why Luftansa continued, who knows? Could be they do not have many 380 flights over water, and hence know they can put the plane down in a well equipped European airport if there is a problem. I flew the SQ 380 just 2 months ago, and I can tell u if the plane blew an engine in the middle of the ocean, we are all fucked.

 

[scroobal]

Agree and well said. I am deeply disturbed by RR in all this and not to mention SIA, Lufthansa and Qantas.

A number of engines which were brand new were replaced. In the German case within 2 weeks of delivery. RR must have realised that it was a design or material fault as they just changed it. My understanding was that none of the engines taken out were fixed and sent back.

RR should be screwed and charged in court for Gross Negligence.

I did not realise the severity of the problem until I was in London. I immediately called a senior chap in SIA who was in the first batch of SIA Management trainees in the 70s and he told me that the Qantas incident was a massive wake up call. As someone said it was God who stood in the way of disaster. It was not engine failure per se but engine blowing and plane being brought down by debris damaging vitals parts.

The savings grace if ever there was one is the criminal conduct of the British compared to the poor conduct of the Singaporeans and Germans.

I am also amazed that Chew compared this to car recalls.

Quantas realised that RR and them are in a basic conflict of interest. Its in RR's interest to hide any issues with the Trent 900 engine, and to quietly cover any deficiencies up. Their contract with Quantas I am sure has penalty clauses for availability of planes, and for engine hours used. Of course, in Sinkieland, Conflict of Interest is not in the vocabulary of any GLCs, nor of the PAP. As for why Luftansa continued, who knows? Could be they do not have many 380 flights over water, and hence know they can put the plane down in a well equipped European airport if there is a problem. I flew the SQ 380 just 2 months ago, and I can tell u if the plane blew an engine in the middle of the ocean, we are all fucked.

 

[Lee5604]

Good posts Scroobal.

I always enjoy your posts due to your depth of knowledge and credibility.

Keep it up.

 

[scroobal]

Bro thanks. Looks I am getting madder by the hour. Latest stuff to have surfaced. Here is the latest ;

The latest Trent RR, model variation engine meant for the Boeing yet to be launched Dreamliner blew up in August in RR plant in Derby UK while being tested. The test bed facility was damaged. It is now being probed by the British authorities.

Good posts Scroobal.

I always enjoy your posts due to your depth of knowledge and credibility.

Keep it up.

 

[Erudio]

SIA was the first airline in the world that found the oil leak in the trent engine in London. It was replaced with a brand new engine quietly.. If the Qantas plane had blown up over Batam, you and I won't be having this conversation.

I am not talking about grounding the planes like Qantas but say that they are also checking. Yet within 12 hrs, they made a statement that checks proved that it was alright. So what check did they do - check if the warranty sticker had not expired?

Get the picture.

If SIA care abt human lives, it wld hv grounded the A380 fleet until the Qantas investigation is concluded, esp since the Qantas engines were serviced in SG by GLC SIA Engineering.

Nothing to do wif whether early or later findings. The 1st report fr RR on the engines was PREMINARY report. SIA used it fer propaganda clearance w/o tinking of consequences.

btw, the report did mention the unaccountable oil which RR did not noe wat it was abt at first. SIA jas ignore it.

Fly SIA at ur own risk !!!

 

[Papsmearer]

Agree and well said. I am deeply disturbed by RR in all this and not to mention SIA, Lufthansa and Qantas.

A number of engines which were brand new were replaced. In the German case within 2 weeks of delivery. RR must have realised that it was a design or material fault as they just changed it. My understanding was that none of the engines taken out were fixed and sent back.

RR should be screwed and charged in court for Gross Negligence.

I did not realise the severity of the problem until I was in London. I immediately called a senior chap in SIA who was in the first batch of SIA Management trainees in the 70s and he told me that the Qantas incident was a massive wake up call. As someone said it was God who stood in the way of disaster. It was not engine failure per se but engine blowing and plane being brought down by debris damaging vitals parts.

The savings grace if ever there was one is the criminal conduct of the British compared to the poor conduct of the Singaporeans and Germans.

I am also amazed that Chew compared this to car recalls.

Chew is a fucking idiot. That's all there is. If he got his job other than by kissing PAP ass, I want to know how. Quantas realised that they were very lucky. The explosion also caused hydraulics damage to the landing flaps. Quantas also realised that just by luck the explosion was in the outboard engine, If it was one of the inner engines, the shrapnel could well have penetrated the passenger cabin causing rapid depresurisation. And a catastophic result. I can bet u if Quantas has a choice, they would cancel the maintenance contract with RR and use its own mechanics instead. At least things like mysterious oil leaks would be investigated more thoroughly.

 

[Papsmearer]

If SIA care abt human lives, it wld hv grounded the A380 fleet until the Qantas investigation is concluded, esp since the Qantas engines were serviced in SG by GLC SIA Engineering.

Nothing to do wif whether early or later findings. The 1st report fr RR on the engines was PREMINARY report. SIA used it fer propaganda clearance w/o tinking of consequences.

btw, the report did mention the unaccountable oil which RR did not noe wat it was abt at first. SIA jas ignore it.

Fly SIA at ur own risk !!!

I don't think SQ ignored it as much as I think they don't know about it, nor the significance of it. DOn't forget that the people in charge of maintaining the SQ Trent 900 engines are NOT SQ employees, but are RR mechanics. Its in the interest of the RR employees to downplay any problems.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroo

I would say this that when GE and NSTB had a problem with CF6080C2 engines failing and resulting in uncontained engine failures, what happened was a similar regime of continued flying and added inspections or more thorough inspections until the problems are identified and replaced.

There was an even more horrendous incident of a DC 10 engine failure in the 80's, crash landing lost of life which whilst resulting an immediate regime of inspections did not result in a grounding of all the aircraft with that type engine derivative.

The responses vis sa vis rolls royce has been pretty standard as compared across industry. The trent 1000 incident might or might not be related as it was described instead as a failure of following test protocol.



Locke

 

[Dreamer1]

Chew is a fucking idiot. That's all there is. If he got his job other than by kissing PAP ass, I want to know how. Quantas realised that they were very lucky. The explosion also caused hydraulics damage to the landing flaps. Quantas also realised that just by luck the explosion was in the outboard engine, If it was one of the inner engines, the shrapnel could well have penetrated the passenger cabin causing rapid depresurisation. And a catastophic result. I can bet u if Quantas has a choice, they would cancel the maintenance contract with RR and use its own mechanics instead. At least things like mysterious oil leaks would be investigated more thoroughly.

I dont think Scroobal is of engineering background,Chew definitely is.

And yet,here,Scroobal speaks with complete enginerring expertise which easily put Chew to shame..

What is happening to our Singapore under the last 10 years of funny governance.