Only 6,600 Out Of 30,000 Agents Applied For Licence

[Ramseth]

thats gov responsibilities to protect the consumer rights and this is a tendency for conflict of interest. why not regulate it to protect the mass and the less able??? at the same time it will boost agents image as they are in bad light for many years after i quit as an agent. are you a property agent now?

I'm not a property agent and has never been one. I'm just speaking neutrally and objectively. For example, an insurance agent has potential of conflict of interest too. If a client tells him he got certain disease, declaring it on the form might result in premium loading that the client would decline to pay, or direct decline by the insurance company. To declare or not to declare? To lose the potential commission? (This is a classic case of an intermediary representating both sides.)

The onus is on all of us to learn to live and think as intelligent beings. Every little problem or stumbling, calling for government regulation and legistation. Everything out there must be fair and ethical. We stop thinking. We just rely on government. It's inhumane. It's robotic. Humanity involves going through all the ups and downs and traps with brains.

 

[moolightaffairs]

I'm not a property agent and has never been one. I'm just speaking neutrally and objectively. For example, an insurance agent has potential of conflict of interest too. If a client tells him he got certain disease, declaring it on the form might result in premium loading that the client would decline to pay, or direct decline by the insurance company. To declare or not to declare? To lose the potential commission?

The onus is on all of us to learn to live and think as intelligent beings. Every little problem or stumbling, calling for government regulation and legistation. Everything out there must be fair and ethical. We stop thinking. We just rely on government. It's inhumane. It's robotic. Humanity involves going through all the ups and downs and traps with brains.

ramseth, we are talking about property agents not insurance agents. in the case of insurance agent you coded, the agent will has to declare. its in the regulation. usually if got any condition, it will not cover that condition in the new policy. thats all.

i think you are missing the point, our real estate agents are not regulated at all!!! not that they are "fixed" like the media or politics!!! thats why a lot of buyers and sellers are victimised and conned!!! its off balance and gov should regulate. its nothing to do with us evolving or learning through up and down at all!!! basic standard should be set to protect the consumers!!! not expect the consumers to learn through the hard way with their HDB flat at stake.

 

[Ramseth]

i think you are missing the point, our real estate agents are not regulated at all!!! not that they are "fixed" like the media or politics!!! thats why a lot of buyers and sellers are victimised and conned!!! its off balance and gov should regulate. its nothing to do with us evolving or learning through up and down at all!!! basic standard should be set to protect the consumers!!! not expect the consumers to learn through the hard way with their HDB flat at stake.

I don't think I'm missing your point, I get your point. And isn't that what the new regulatory requirements for property agents are all about?

Your point is that you want to ban same agent representing both sides. You've presented your argument. I'm actually neutral on this, it won't affect me as I don't believe in having same agent representing both sides too. Our difference is, I'm not pushing for a ban. I can decide for myself. Let the others think for themselves.

 

[moolightaffairs]

I don't think I'm missing your point, I get your point. And isn't that what the new regulatory requirements for property agents are all about?

Your point is that you want to ban same agent representing both sides. You've presented your argument. I'm actually neutral on this, it won't affect me as I don't believe in having same agent representing both sides too. Our difference is, I'm not pushing for a ban. I can decide for myself. Let the others think for themselves.

thats why i said you talked like elite and lost touch on issue on the ground.

The onus is on all of us to learn to live and think as intelligent beings. Every little problem or stumbling, calling for government regulation and legistation. Everything out there must be fair and ethical. We stop thinking. We just rely on government. It's inhumane. It's robotic. Humanity involves going through all the ups and downs and traps with brains.

Once again, caveat emptor. You can only expose what you feel confident or comfortable exposing. If you don't trust the agent, just decline his service. Why everything must look for government legislation and regulation? What loophole? It's an open option. For convenience and expediency, some buyer and seller actually wanted the same agent the do it since they agreed on the price already. You want to ban that?

your point is not about against the ban, your point is against regulating the real estate agents industry!!! checkmate!

its a very common for agents handling HDB deals to collect commissions from both parties. why? buyers always go viewing without agent and end up paying the commission to the agent of the owner. a lot of buyers are suffering in silence without their rights protected. regulate a must for real estate agents industry.

 

[Ramseth]

its a very common for agents handling HDB deals to collect commissions from both parties. why? buyers always go viewing without agent and end up paying the commission to the agent of the owner. a lot of buyers are suffering in silence without their rights protected. regulate a must for real estate agents industry.

What's wrong with a selling agent saying to a buyer, you don't have an agent, I act as your agent? What's wrong with the buyer accepting if the price and commission is acceptable? He can always reject and act for himself and DIY, or find another agent that he prefers. Remember the selling agent has rights too. It's his right to choose who to deal with. The seller has rights too. It's his right to terminate the agent if he performs unsatisfactorily after the exclusive or any other agreement expires.

 

[moolightaffairs]

What's wrong with a selling agent saying to a buyer, you don't have an agent, I act as your agent? What's wrong with the buyer accepting if the price and commission is acceptable? He can always reject and act for himself and DIY, or find another agent that he prefers. Remember the selling agent has rights too. It's his right to choose who to deal with. The seller has rights too. It's his right to terminate the agent if he performs unsatisfactorily after the exclusive or any other agreement expires.

thats why i said u talk like elite and lost touch to the issue on the ground. most of them will just follow and pay up. regulate a must for real estate agents industry.

 

[Ramseth]

thats why i said u talk like elite and lost touch to the issue on the ground. most of them will just follow and pay up. regulate a must for real estate agents industry.

If people want to be so stupid, just follow and pay up, my fault is it? Anybody's fault is it? Law and medicine has advanced tremendously, but stupidity still finds no cure, regardless of whatever legislation or medication.

 

[moolightaffairs]

If people want to be so stupid, just follow and pay up, my fault is it? Anybody's fault is it? Law and medicine has advanced tremendously, but stupidity still finds no cure, regardless of whatever legislation or medication.

alamak! why you lose your cool? you calling the mass stupid because they just follow? i never say its your fault, why you say that? 此地无银三百两?

regulate a must for real estate industry. after regulate the real estate industry, the public must be educate with their rights. right now, there is nothing to fall back or educate at all, but full of so call "common practice" which give agents advantages over sellers and buyers.

 

[Ramseth]

regulate a must for real estate industry. after regulate the real estate industry, the public must be educate with their rights. right now, there is nothing to fall back or educate at all, but full of so call "common practice" which give agents advantages over sellers and buyers.

I have never been against educating the public on legal and consumer rights, guards against dubious and unethical practices.

You're like GMS when people voted for PAP, accusing them of being fearful or ignorant. They're many people who vote for PAP in full democratic consideration. They just prefer it. They're people who choose same agent for both sides, knowing exactly what they're in for and what they'd get out of it. And you think they're victims? But I reiterate, I agree that there're also those who got taken advantage of and shortchanged out of ignorance. Regulation and education is necessary.

 

[moolightaffairs]

I have never been against educating the public on legal and consumer rights, guards against dubious and unethical practices.

thanks for supporting my point.

You're like GMS when people voted for PAP, accusing them of being fearful or ignorant. They're many people who vote for PAP in full democratic consideration. They just prefer it.

please dont compare me with the great guy GMS. i got utmost respect for him. i respect rights to choose.

They're people who choose same agent for both sides, knowing exactly what they're in for and what they'd get out of it. And you think they're victims?

If people want to be so stupid, just follow and pay up, my fault is it? Anybody's fault is it? Law and medicine has advanced tremendously, but stupidity still finds no cure, regardless of whatever legislation or medication.

they are the minority, not the majority. we dont regulate it because minority ok with it? and you even accused the majority for being stupid? you were saying GMS accusing voters who vote for pap of being fearful or ignorant. now you are accusing the silent majority of being stupid??? then you are the same as him.

But I reiterate, I agree that there're also those who got taken advantage of and shortchanged out of ignorance. Regulation and education is necessary.

thanks for supporting my point again. i rest my case. thanks for your time. ex police man.

 

[Ramseth]

they are the minority, not the majority. we dont regulate it because minority ok with it? and you even accused the majority for being stupid? you were saying GMS accusing voters who vote for pap of being fearful or ignorant. now you are accusing the silent majority of being stupid??? then you are the same as him.

I'd think that's minority, not majority, comparing the deals smoothly gone through without complaints to cases with complaints. I think one or two cases in the papers and you think that they're majority, forgetting the even more massive majority who went through satisfactorily with their deals.

I stay my stand on GMS in this respect. A few people tells him they hate PAP and he thinks he'd win. The majority who don't even bother to tell him anything aren't dead yet. Their votes shall be counted.

It's the same as seeing tens of thousands in WP rallies in Bedok Reservoir 1988 or Yio Chu Kang 1996. You thought that's a lot and sure win. You forgot those who stayed at home, couldn't be bothered and vote PAP.

thanks for supporting my point again. i rest my case. thanks for your time. ex police man.

You welcome my friend, it's a pleasure. I really appreciate your point.

 

[moolightaffairs]

I'd think that's minority, not majority, comparing the deals smoothly gone through without complaints to cases with complaints. I think one or two cases in the papers and you think that they're majority, forgetting the even more massive majority who went through satisfactorily with their deals.

alamak! you making accusation again! you are wrong! i dont come to this conclusion with some reports to from newspaper. i got my hands dirty by working as an agent and keep in contact with quite a few.

you believe what 154th is saying? you gotta take it with a barrel of salt!!! majority are suffering in silence, thats for sure. our newspaper only report a few case when there are a lot of cases to play down the damage and or only when a few vocal ones raise the issue. if you choose to believe what 154th said without thinking that means you are too shallow.

I stay my stand on GMS in this respect. A few people tells him they hate PAP and he thinks he'd win. The majority who don't even bother to tell him anything aren't dead yet. Their votes shall be counted.

It's the same as seeing tens of thousands in WP rallies in Bedok Reservoir 1988 or Yio Chu Kang 1996. You thought that's a lot and sure win. You forgot those who stayed at home, couldn't be bothered and vote PAP.

thats your problem with GMS and please dont group everyone together when they dont agree with you.

You welcome my friend, it's a pleasure. I really appreciate your point.

my pleasure too, please dont jump to conclusion when your property deal went through smoothly and thought its majority. what you think might not be the truth.

 

[Ramseth]

you believe what 154th is saying? you gotta take it with a barrel of salt!!! majority are suffering in silence, thats for sure. our newspaper only report a few case when there are a lot of cases to play down the damage and or only when a few vocal ones raise the issue. if you choose to believe what 154th said without thinking that means you are too shallow.

It has nothing to do with whatever press or media. Even if the majority is suffering in silence, get out, stand up and do something about it. For those who want to help, don't just feed them fish, teach them how to fish.

 

[moolightaffairs]

It has nothing to do with whatever press or media. Even if the majority is suffering in silence, get out, stand up and do something about it. For those who want to help, don't just feed them fish, teach them how to fish.

thats where the regulate and educate come about my friend which you strongly against!!! hahaha!

 

[busdriver111]

Ramseth,

Lawyers can never act for both parties in a divorce. Whether or not it is contested. It would be a very serious conflict of interest.

Conveyancing is the only situation where a lawyer can act for both parties. When purchasing directly from developer, then the buyer will need to get a different lawyer.

 

[Ramseth]

thats where the regulate and educate come about my friend which you strongly against!!! hahaha!

I mentioned more than once I support regulation and education. I only support thinking for oneself with commonsense more.

 

[cass888]

I'm not a property agent and has never been one. I'm just speaking neutrally and objectively. For example, an insurance agent has potential of conflict of interest too. If a client tells him he got certain disease, declaring it on the form might result in premium loading that the client would decline to pay, or direct decline by the insurance company. To declare or not to declare? To lose the potential commission? (This is a classic case of an intermediary representating both sides.)

Ramseth, I don't think you understand what is happening in this industry.

Let's say Ramseth wants to sell an HDB flat and appoints someone dishonest, let's say Krafty as his agent. He expects Krafty to get the best possible price for the flat.

Then moonlightaffairs comes into the picture. He is prepared to buy a flat and maybe even willing to pay a higher price. But Krafty, because H_o K_um H_ean screwed his life, won't take moonlightaffairs' deal to Ramseth unless the former also appoints Krafty as the agent. In the end, Rameth lugi because he sold the flat at a lower price to someone who was prepared to appoint Krafty as his agent. Moonlightaffairs also lugi because he didn't need an agent in the first place and lost the chance to buy the flat.

In the end, only Krafty wins. But we will al never understand how much he suffered

 

[jixiaolan]

Ramseth,

Lawyers can never act for both parties in a divorce. Whether or not it is contested. It would be a very serious conflict of interest.

Who tell you so?

 

[busdriver111]

Who tell you so?

The bus driver's rule book.

Are you saying that the same lawyer can act both both husband and wife in a divorce?

 

[jixiaolan]

The bus driver's rule book.

Are you saying that the same lawyer can act both both husband and wife in a divorce?

Yes, of cux.