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Pay Singaporeans a decent wage and they will take on most jobs.
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For them it is an obscene minimum wage, their arugument is 'you pay peanuts' you get MONKeys, but someone forgot to tell them the rate of exchange of 1 peanut = S$600,000 (wooden's wife standard rate). They didn't get only MONKeyS, they got elephants...even one oversize gajah that cost a few peanuts...
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True, our local blue collars workers pay are really pathetic. That's the reasons why we ends up with a segments of "un-employable" with doggy attitude. Those with good attitude or aptitude for the jobs would be discourage from taking up or at the very least wants to be their own boss.
Nothing wrong with the later, however most of these bosses would ends up being hands off and in terms hire workers or simply subcontract out? If you ever give out a contract to renovate your house, you will feel annoy by the layers of "contractors", and most likely the dirty job to done by a Malaysian workers who are his own boss.
What I like to see is, we adopt the western more developed model. Where the boss is also the worker doing the dirty job. And collectively through their own network form a loosely define collection of expertise for a project. This will eventually lift the level of skills set and rewards and everybody would be happy, instead of the majority the dollar going to the "middlemen and their connections" who are fraud with greed.
Its quite true that the western model is what you have described, especially in the US and Australia.
Most of the time the boss is also the worker. I believe it has got to do with pride in their work. These workers earn a decent wage, are they being despised inspite of their vocation? maybe, but it still boils down to paying them a set of wages that goes with the standard of living in their country.
Here in Singapore, Singaporean is asked to go for cheaper and faster, how cheap (mean low wage?) can one go?, how fast can one go?. S$1000?, S$800 would you call that as decent wages, which is barely enough to survive (not to even mention, live). How to have pride in one's work.
And now with the incessant inflow of FTs, slowly but surely, the Singaporean wages, will too, be depressed, because of cheaper and faster (cheaper, as in lower wages of the FTs, faster, as in the the young FTs being brought in to replace Singaporeans). Such is the scenario we are seeing now and in the next few years. I shudder at the thought of Singaporean children, where there comes a time, they will be the "foreigner" in their own country, as they will never be able to compete with the wages, these FTs are asking.
aiyah, whose parents would want to see their sons and daughters toiling under the hot sun after spending a bomb of their childrens' education. Most likely they would ask their maid to bring umbrellas to shelter their children from the sun and rain .
What I like to see is, we adopt the western more developed model. Where the boss is also the worker doing the dirty job. And collectively through their own network form a loosely define collection of expertise for a project. This will eventually lift the level of skills set and rewards and everybody would be happy, instead of the majority the dollar going to the "middlemen and their connections" who are fraud with greed.
Well said, in Australia I have yet to see any ex-Sporean getting their hands dirty. Some would sit on their couch complaining why the cost is so high.. (these ppl are earning tiny peas yet unwilling to DIY to save a penny). Only one hero have started his renov work with a few students and apprendices. After 1 yr of weekend DIY, he has finally completed his renov.. Guess who gain from the process ?
NS is making us weak.. SG Education is making us stupid..
Sad but reality.
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Every year, China produces like 5 to 6 million of graduates. Yes you heard it right, 5 to 6 million, the whole population of Singapore, every year. Where would they be (the children) if the FTs policy were to continue. To put it crudely, study so hard, all for nothing, because with a turn of the tap, singapore can have countless of graduates flooding in, English not required, mind you, forummer Shelltox.
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They need a maximum wage. For a start, their maximum wage should be 20 times the lowest paid worker in Singapore as proposed by WP. The PAP can walk out of parliament for all I can, but I believe they will still stay on even if we don't pay them a single cent.
i concur....a F*** mechanic is already charging 40++ an hr.....in aust skilled trade earned more than a person with a degree with less than 10 years experience
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the real beneficiaires of cheap labour in singapore are the middle and upper class - we take it for granted that fixing our pipes costs $50-80 per job, not per hour. same for our car maintenance. same for our renovation etc etc
so its no surprise when the pampered middle class types migrate and have a hard time fitting into australia, canada or wherever. because now they have to adjust their mindsets to min wages, and end up paying $60/70+ per hour for all their service jobs (plumbing, carpentry, renovations, car repairs etc)
in truth, they get squeezed even more after they migrate.
without the 300k malaysians crossing the border everyday, basic service jobs wouldn't be so cheap here.
a minimum wage in singapore would benefit the low income and high income groups, while the middle income groups will get squeezed out.
if we think we can afford to pay $250 for an oil change ($50 for oil, $200 for labour), then please write to your MP expressing a desire to see minimum wages of the levels seen in oz/us/canada
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If the total cost of doing business has gone up ... one of the avenue to cut is the property cost or cost of rental. Does not necessary have to go down cutting the cost of labour.
If foreign workers levy is collected, we can actually use the levy collected to fund CPF contribution for Singaporean. It can be done, it just that goverment has to give up the revenue. It achieve balance. Singapore workers will welcome migrant workers because they help to defray the cost of doing business in Singapore.
If foreign workers levy is collected, we can actually use the levy collected to fund CPF contribution for Singaporean. It can be done, it just that goverment has to give up the revenue. It achieve balance. Singapore workers will welcome migrant workers because they help to defray the cost of doing business in Singapore.
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it is too late for singapore, it is addicted to cheap labour. It is impossible to change singapore now. Like a drug addict, it is hopeless.
Yo bro, I totally agree. There is no one size fits all..
If we want min wage, then the cost of repair or servicing etc would be high. Who will benefits from it ? The so-called FTs.
2ndly, SG working environment does not encourage individual to DIY, due to long work hours. Who's fault ? Our employment indicated 8-5 working hours.. but unwritten rules wanted 8-8 (12hrs) work.. sadly, the govt supported this initiative. In Australia, you will be sued for abuse or bullying..
Lastly, I do not advocate - 'Cheaper & Faster'...... IMHO, I think we should go for 'Quality and Value-for-money'. Million dollar fools say anything they want.. but it is up to us to decide what we want..
SG is enjoying the growth - very good !... it would be nice not at the expense of its people..
If we want min wage, then the cost of repair or servicing etc would be high. Who will benefits from it ? The so-called FTs.
2ndly, SG working environment does not encourage individual to DIY, due to long work hours. Who's fault ? Our employment indicated 8-5 working hours.. but unwritten rules wanted 8-8 (12hrs) work.. sadly, the govt supported this initiative. In Australia, you will be sued for abuse or bullying..
Lastly, I do not advocate - 'Cheaper & Faster'...... IMHO, I think we should go for 'Quality and Value-for-money'. Million dollar fools say anything they want.. but it is up to us to decide what we want..
SG is enjoying the growth - very good !... it would be nice not at the expense of its people..
Yes, you got it right ! The lower grade residents in Australia will gain. In SG, all major class suffer.. only few elites or ministars benefit from the process.
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Well think Papees will pull in more FT to increase GDP. This what they said right?
i worry for Singapore after 6.5mil is reached
what else can they do to keep the GDP engine going?
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When u talk, does shit come out of your mouth? U sure know crap about what's going on. the real beneficiaries of cheap labour in S'pore are MNCs and GLCS. They are the ones that pressure MOM and the PAP to allow large amounts of cheap labour in, so they can report larger profits. The upper and middle class as a percentage of the singapore populations is very small. The impact of cheap labour on them is minimal. MNCs and GLCs which hire 100,000s of cheap FTs reap much more benefit.
As far as I know, upper class is upper class. They don't care about whether labour is cheap or not, they will still hire because they can easily afford it. Don't bullshit here, oil change is $250 in other countries. Maybe u are so stupid, they con you into that. the only $250 oil change I know is for a Porsche. I doubt u are smart enough to afford one.
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Fxxking cheebai so-called FTs take away jobs from Singaporeans ....
To all you filthy, thick-skinned FTs : Fuck Off !!!
To all you filthy, thick-skinned FTs : Fuck Off !!!
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Just to share with you guys, I just came back from a holiday trip to tokyo, and with the help of a japan friend, i got to talk to a japan public electrician, something like the PUB in singapore.
His job is to, when needed, climb up a ladder with his team members of 4, to replace the electricity cables in tokyo, do checks on the wires etc.
Job description:
Title: public eletrician
Salary: USD2500 + pension + japan's government medical insurance (if you do not know about how good the japan govt medical insurance is, you better go read it up)
Working days: 5 days week, but the off days may not be weekends. meaning your off days can be monday or thursday, depending on shifts.
Attire: provided with shoes and helet
education: Secondary and above
AND THIS JOB IS ONLY FOR JAPANESES. IF NO JAPANESE TAKES THE JOB, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO INCREASE THE SALARY OR BENEFITS TO A POINT SOME JAPANESE IS WILLING TO TAKE THE JOB!
"what do you think of your job?"
"I am honored to be of service to the japanese people"
if they can do it, why spore cannot?
His job is to, when needed, climb up a ladder with his team members of 4, to replace the electricity cables in tokyo, do checks on the wires etc.
Job description:
Title: public eletrician
Salary: USD2500 + pension + japan's government medical insurance (if you do not know about how good the japan govt medical insurance is, you better go read it up)
Working days: 5 days week, but the off days may not be weekends. meaning your off days can be monday or thursday, depending on shifts.
Attire: provided with shoes and helet
education: Secondary and above
AND THIS JOB IS ONLY FOR JAPANESES. IF NO JAPANESE TAKES THE JOB, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO INCREASE THE SALARY OR BENEFITS TO A POINT SOME JAPANESE IS WILLING TO TAKE THE JOB!
"what do you think of your job?"
"I am honored to be of service to the japanese people"
if they can do it, why spore cannot?
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