True opposition supporter versus fake supporter

[Subok]

Bloody fuck! Your command of English is damn fucking pathetic! :p:p

by all means... the more you blow.. the more it will "cum" on you.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

That is a childish definition of credibility. Unfortunately most sinkees hold that mentality, which is why there are smart and dumb oppo supporters, with dumb outnumbering the smarts.

The same thing is true of PAPy supporters except that the ratio of dumb to smart supporters, I dare say, on the PAP front is exceptionally higher than that of the AP supporters.

 

[scroobal]

It is indeed strange that people treat the term "credible" wrongly. It seems to be an oriental thing and it seems tied to saving face. We get that with the Japanese when negotiating. They too use the term "credible" for someone who does not oppose them.

Old man too has used the same lingo on JBJ and Chee.

Since I am not in a popularity contest and my identity is not known, I can be brutally frank on issues.

But you got to admit that he picked the 3 whose aspirations are known and therefore have to be careful not to step on toes consciously or otherwise. That's human nature.

Its no different to Malaysian politicians signing the Vui petition, when they have identical laws. Its to impress the ignorant people.

In my view, there is more to why people list you as intolerant. At the end of the day, different people would produce a different list of who's credible. To most people, "credibility" is about whether you agree with the person. If you do, he's credible. If you don't, he's not credible. I'm trying not to be an approval addict.

 

[scroobal]

Vague, unsure or something novel is not a sin. It should be encouraged. Pretending to be knowledgeable and putting across flawed models is a whole different thing. Look at Subok - he is attempting to put across his view the way he sees it and he obviously has issues with GMS. Nothing wrong with that even though people might find his reason not clear.

As I said, it stands to reason why you picked the 3. Why don't you address the 3 and tell them that you believe in fairies. They might not agree with you, they might even think that you are mad, but their answers will be quite accommodating. I can guarantee to you that. You will know what the response from other like me will be.

I use credible because I think Thick Face suggests true oppo supporters are credible and fake oppo supporters are not credible.
if something was vague, you ask for clarification or let it be, only lanchio lang will start attacking the poster.

 

[Perspective]

It is indeed strange that people treat the term "credible" wrongly. It seems to be an oriental thing and it seems tied to saving face. We get that with the Japanese when negotiating. They too use the term "credible" for someone who does not oppose them.
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All around the world, I'd say. Not Japanese or old man. I can assure it's everyone.

There is a reason why Jesus raised the issue of "plank in the eye and speck in the brother's eye" along with a lot of "worse" sins, on Mt Sermon. He knew that this (judge on own standards, double standards, hypocrispy) would be the most unavoidable sin after lust.

In reality, everybody seems to be committing this without fail.

In FB right now, there are oppositionists saying that other oppositionists fail to meet standards and activists saying that the all the above oppositionists to various degrees fail to meet standards. At the end of the day, the said standards are, in stark truth, only their own standards.

You can only make the most accurate, unfaultable judgement of credibility if you are absolutely credible and free from blame yourself. There is none. Everyone has lied in his/her lifetime.

 

[kingrant]

Quite amusing a word like credible has generated so much heat. Since life is getting rather boring, I'll join in the fray and let Devil take the hindmost.

When Old Man says an Opp politician is credible, he at once loses credibility with those who are sitting on the fences, who will start doubting his credibility. He'll have no issue with those diehard loyalists of his; his enemies will also label him as a stooge because Old Man has bestowed the aura of credibility (or respectability) on him.

It's an age old saying: your fren's enemies are yr enemies; yr enemies' enemies are your frens.

You see? I didnt even have to define "credibility"; I merely used it in the context of one man, and the world seems to know where I am heading.

 

[phouse3]

A fake opposition supporter is obviously someone who supports a fake opposition party.

A fake opposition party is one that is ashamed to call itself an opposition party. Perhaps they are confused by the Chinese translation, fan dui dang. The term opposition is derived from a sitting arrangement in parliament - the opposition literally sits opposite the government.

Opposing for opposition's sake is a party stance. "Opposition" here refers to the act of disagreeing. There is nothing wrong especially if you genuinely do not agree with the government's policies. At its worst, a maddog like a broken clock is useful sometimes. At its best, a watchdog that protects the interests/properties of its government-owner is redundant and useless to the people.

Voting opposition for opposition's sake is a personal choice. "Opposition" here refers to candidates in an opposition party. There is nothing wrong as voters may want an opposition voice in parliament or may cast protest votes. It is ludicrous for any opposition party which survives on the charity of protest votes to castigate its own support base.

Voting is compulsory and your vote is secret. This message is repeated a 1000 times on national TV during election. A voter who goes around telling people his secret is not respecting the sanctity of the vote. An election candidate who goes around telling people his secret is making a mockery of the democratic process.

An opposition party that doesn't know the basics cannot be credible. Moreover, it is not for a party to declare itself credible; it is for the people to judge.

An opposition that claims its candidates are whiter than white, that its policies are in line with the MIW's and that it wants to form a coalition with the MIW cannot be genuine opposition. It is especially contradictory when it calls itself an alternative party. Alternative? What alternative?

Candidates that compete to see who declare more love for the MIW whilst fight to see who spit more venom at fellow opposition are not milder and more credible. They are simply seow.

 

[Ramseth]

Opposing for opposition's sake is a party stance. "Opposition" here refers to the act of disagreeing. There is nothing wrong especially if you genuinely do not agree with the government's policies. At its worst, a maddog like a broken clock is useful sometimes. At its best, a watchdog that protects the interests/properties of its government-owner is redundant and useless to the people.

That's true in UK and even Malaysia and Thailand now. But in Singapore, elected opposition MPs are so few that they have to sit among government MPs.

Voting opposition for opposition's sake is a personal choice. "Opposition" here refers to candidates in an opposition party. There is nothing wrong as voters may want an opposition voice in parliament or may cast protest votes. It is ludicrous for any opposition party which survives on the charity of protest votes to castigate its own support base.

That's true also in UK where Tory could be in government or opposition, or Labour could be in government or opposition, but in Singapore PAP has been in power so long with such overwhelming numbers that it's presumed to be in government and all other parties in opposition.

 

[Alamaking]

you joking? 2/3 of your names here are clearly too strong opinionated, almost intolerant of alternative views.

but it's fine with me if you want to start a thread to suck their LP.

I agree with sideswipe, TS is por lampa specialist, LOL.

I sometimes respect GMS's view, Ram's views mostly are nonsense, Scrooball's still ok. Uncle Yap a bit siao 1, look at his Bishan blackout thread, what has it got to do with YOG, wtf.....

Ahleebabasingaporethief and BusNo64 hates everyone.

SNAblog, Watchman and Elephanto are quite ok.

Those who reads Temasek Review are idiots, fuck you hor :oIo::oIo:

 

[Ramseth]

Ram's views mostly are nonsense

Alamaking's views are mostly orientated on the Dutch compass. After Christopher Columbus was convinced that America wasn't India, the Dutch set sailed for India and landed on what they called East Indies, thinking they're islands of India when they were thousands of miles off. The Brits landed in India and laughed off their asses. That's why it's called East Indies (now Indonesia), when the Brits got the real India.

 

[Alamaking]

Alamaking's views are mostly orientated on the Dutch compass. After Christopher Columbus was convinced that America wasn't India, the Dutch set sailed for India and landed on what they called East Indies, thinking they're islands of India when they were thousands of miles off. The Brits landed in India and laughed off their asses. That's why it's called East Indies (now Indonesia), when the Brits got the real India.

see his repy, you all will get what i mean, LOL

 

[Ramseth]

see his repy, you all will get what i mean, LOL

It's nonsense. My speech for YOG closing ceremony how come both Britain and Holland missing from the medal tally. One landed in India and the other landed in Indonesia.

 

[scroobal]

I don't you understand the context. You can oppose anyone openly in far east society. Losing face is an issue unlike the rest of the world. All around the world they know the meaning of credible.

All around the world, I'd say. Not Japanese or old man. I can assure it's everyone.

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[scroobal]

Excellent post.

A fake opposition supporter is obviously someone who supports a fake opposition party.

A fake opposition party is one that is ashamed to call itself an opposition party. Perhaps they are confused by the Chinese translation, fan dui dang. The term opposition is derived from a sitting arrangement in parliament - the opposition literally sits opposite the government.

Opposing for opposition's sake is a party stance. "Opposition" here refers to the act of disagreeing. There is nothing wrong especially if you genuinely do not agree with the government's policies. At its worst, a maddog like a broken clock is useful sometimes. At its best, a watchdog that protects the interests/properties of its government-owner is redundant and useless to the people.

Voting opposition for opposition's sake is a personal choice. "Opposition" here refers to candidates in an opposition party. There is nothing wrong as voters may want an opposition voice in parliament or may cast protest votes. It is ludicrous for any opposition party which survives on the charity of protest votes to castigate its own support base.

Voting is compulsory and your vote is secret. This message is repeated a 1000 times on national TV during election. A voter who goes around telling people his secret is not respecting the sanctity of the vote. An election candidate who goes around telling people his secret is making a mockery of the democratic process.

An opposition party that doesn't know the basics cannot be credible. Moreover, it is not for a party to declare itself credible; it is for the people to judge.

An opposition that claims its candidates are whiter than white, that its policies are in line with the MIW's and that it wants to form a coalition with the MIW cannot be genuine opposition. It is especially contradictory when it calls itself an alternative party. Alternative? What alternative?

Candidates that compete to see who declare more love for the MIW whilst fight to see who spit more venom at fellow opposition are not milder and more credible. They are simply seow.