Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War II

[Watchman]

Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War II

More coming .

 

[manokie]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

At that time, they had serious economy issues in US. The great depression destroyed US.


WW2 kind of saved their economy, everyone knows that in US.
Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor is just like 9/11. Nobody knows if any American has a hand in it.

 

[kirby]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

The film investigates theories on Pearl Harbor and possible conspiracy(s) there has been much debate as to how and why the United States had been caught unaware, and how much and when American officials knew of Japanese plans and related topics.

Some argue that various parties knew of the attack in advance and may even have let it happen or encouraged it in order to force America into war. Film includes issues of The Pearl Harbor advance – knowledge debate and others.

During the lead up to the attack, the commander of the Japanese task force, Vice Admiral Chuichi Nagumo, received bulletins from Vice Consul Tadashi Morimura in Hawaii. Morimura’s real name was Takeo Yoshikawa, a Japanese naval officer who had been assigned to Hawaii on espionage duty in April 1941.

Yoshikawa’s bulletins were intercepted, decrypted, and translated by the Office of Naval Intelligence, and the intercepts were also sent to Washington, but Admiral Kimmel did not receive this information. He omits mentioning that many of these were not decrypted or translated before the Japanese attack.


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Husband Edward Kimmel (February 26, 1882 – May 14, 1968) was a four-star admiral in the United States Navy. He served as Commander-in-chief, U.S. Pacific Fleet at the time of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Because of the attack, he was removed from office and was reduced to his permanent two-star rank of rear admiral. He would subsequently retire from the Navy with that rank. Some historians maintain Kimmel was blamed for the failures of his superiors prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, and that his career and reputation were unfairly ruined.

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

the conspiracy theory of the u.s. knowing about jap plans to attack and not doing anything about it is totally different from the conspiracy theory that the u.s. attacked japan to spark a war. while the former can spin into legend and books, the latter is ludicrously absurd.

 

[middaydog]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5jDfX4P0jY

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

the conspiracy theory of the u.s. knowing about jap plans to attack and not doing anything about it is totally different from the conspiracy theory that the u.s. attacked japan to spark a war. while the former can spin into legend and books, the latter is ludicrously absurd.

Both theories are unbelieveable. If the US knew about the Japanese raid, why did nothing? Laying an ambush and crushing the Japanese there and then at Pearl Harbor would still involved the US in the war.

The US weren't that naive. They blockaded Japanese shipping bloodline from south to north Pacific. I believe they were prepared for war. However, they didn't expect the Japanese to come direct at Pearl Harbor on first strike. They'd expected the Japanese to hunt down their carriers at sea.

The Japanese skipped a chapter or two in logical military strategy. That was where the surprise element was. But the Japanese were too clever by half. They should have expected that the main US carrier battlegroups out at sea ready for them. Raiding Pearl Harbor at the wrong time without proper intelligence was just a pyrrhic and temporary victory.

 

[scoobyhoo]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

black can become white, white can become black.

 

[Sideswipe]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

Both theories are unbelieveable. If the US knew about the Japanese raid, why did nothing? Laying an ambush and crushing the Japanese there and then at Pearl Harbor would still involved the US in the war.

good point. Japanese attack, US successfully defend and US govt still has a great reason and public opinions supporting their entrance into World War II.

One book I read was Churchill was first to know about Pearl Harbor followed by Chiang then Stalin. Roosevelt only knew about this in the last 24 hrs. Both Churchill and Chiang didn't share this intelligence with Roosevelt to ensure Americans had no choice but to enter the war.

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

The Japanese skipped a chapter or two in logical military strategy. That was where the surprise element was. But the Japanese were too clever by half. They should have expected that the main US carrier battlegroups out at sea ready for them. Raiding Pearl Harbor at the wrong time without proper intelligence was just a pyrrhic and temporary victory.

the japs knew the u.s. carriers were docking in pearl harbor, but exactly when they came to port, they were not sure. the main ijn fleet set off on nov 26 from northern japan, and they timed the attack to coincide with the delivery of the message from tokyo by the jap ambassador to the u.s. state department in person in washington, on sunday morning.

a jap official, after the war, claimed that they were following the samurai (bullshido) code - "you don't kill the enemy while he is still asleep; you kill the enemy after waking him up at dawn, while he is barely awake."

nomura, the ambassador, was supposed to receive the message and decode it early sunday morning. he was supposed to deliver the message to break off peace negotiations (which meant war) with hull a few minutes before the first jap aircraft attack pearl harbor. he couldn't because he claimed that he did not receive the message until monday, december 8. moreover, his staff who normally handled and decoded messages from tokyo were off on sunday. he claimed he had to decode the message with his assistant, kurusu after the attack took place -- an embarassing jap procedural fuckup, so to speak. this procedural error does not excuse the japs from starting the war.

nonetheless, fuck up or no fuck up, carriers or no carriers, the japs were intent on attacking on sunday, when they knew americans were either worshipping, sleeping in, fucking, lazying or just plain having a hangover.

the fact that they sailed for days and weeks (start date nov 26) to reach the northwest part of the hawaiian island chain where they could launch aircraft indicated clearly that they meant war with the u.s., way before december 7, u.s. intell botchups, jap ambassadorial botchups and all.

 

[wahlaneh]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

wahlaneh...
jappies had a treaty with germies: u take western countries we take eastern countries.

 

[Received_by_Kings]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

wahlaneh...
jappies had a treaty with germies: u take western countries we take eastern countries.

Both countries overestimated themselves in their stupidity.

And also, both tried to conquer Russia (if it succeeded then we would most likely be able to see master Germany fight with its slave Japan for the whole of it). And paid heavily for it.

 

[wahlaneh]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

Both countries overestimated themselves in their stupidity.

And also, both tried to conquer Russia (if it succeeded then we would most likely be able to see master Germany fight with its slave Japan for the whole of it). And paid heavily for it.

walaneh...
E.Honda VS Zangief?

 

[sleaguepunter]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

Both countries overestimated themselves in their stupidity.

And also, both tried to conquer Russia (if it succeeded then we would most likely be able to see master Germany fight with its slave Japan for the whole of it). And paid heavily for it.

wrong. jap govt knew they cannot win against the russian that why they go for the southern resources area aka southeast asia for oil, rubber,tin etc...
the kwantung army despite several hundred thousand strong were only light infantry force compare to the massive firepower of the russian red army with it individual artillery and tank divisions. If the jap had gone for the northern resources area, WW2 would be very different.

 

[Cestbon]

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Japan make a big mistake in WW2. Japan should attack until US mainland West coast.
Take over the Hawaii because is very important land in the middle of Pasific ocean and half way to US mainland.
Cut off Hawaii the war ending will be different.

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

wrong. jap govt knew they cannot win against the russian that why they go for the southern resources area aka southeast asia for oil, rubber,tin etc...
the kwantung army despite several hundred thousand strong were only light infantry force compare to the massive firepower of the russian red army with it individual artillery and tank divisions. If the jap had gone for the northern resources area, WW2 would be very different.

you can actually simulate this in a wargaming computer, and the results will shock you. the nazis were getting all the soviet attention on the eastern front, and they were hoping the japs would distract the soviets from the far east by opening a new front. many soviet divisions and equipment in siberia were enroute to the eastern front, leaving nothing much in the far east. but the japs were committed in china, and was about to launch attacks against sea-friendly colonies of the allies in the pacific. at that time, they had more confidence in their navy than their army, mainly because the main bulk oftheir army was bogged down in china. the ijn and ija were not on the best of terms. if they hadn't attack china in '37, they could have pulled a double whammy on the soviets with the nazis from their base in manchuria. it would have been called operation barbarossa-banzai.

 

[Sideswipe]

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if they hadn't attack china in '37, they could have pulled a double whammy on the soviets with the nazis from their base in manchuria. it would have been called operation barbarossa-banzai.

That's why Marco Polo Incident was likely a Chinese Communists/Soviet plot to provoke the Sino-Japanese war.
Communists GRU agents actively engaged sabotage and assassinations against Japan in Manchuria/Northern China long before Marco Polo.

Stalin was a man of great vision. He has seen the scenario of a joint German and Japan attack on Russia long before anybody else - Germany from East and Japan from Manchuria. Stalin started targeting Manchuria for Soviet Union as early as 1929.

The 1938 Munich Agreement purpose was to make Hitler attack Soviet Union and Britain/United States wanted Japan to suppress the Chinese nationalists and attack Russia too. In both cases, Stalin outsmarted his western rivals. A year later, Hitler attack Western Europe and signed a non-aggression pact with Stalin to halve Poland. Japan attacked Southeast Asia and Pearl Harbor after China, not Soviet Union. Russo-Japanese neutrality treaty was signed on April 1941 with a secret agreement to divide China among themselves.

Stalin was an evil genius, he literally set up the entire WWII scenario which went according to his plan.

 

[E.Honda]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

walaneh...

E.Honda VS Zangief?

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[theblackhole]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

yes, japan should have demolished totally the whole of usa!

now the world regrets

 

[halsey02]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

black can become white, white can become black.

You forgot, black can become the President of the U.S.

 

[jixiaolan]

Re: Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War

Breaking : It was reveal now that USA attacked the Japanese which spark World War II

More coming .

This is bullshit. WW2 started even before the Americans entered the war.