CST's Wife Falling into 154th's Trap!

[Perspective]

I just hope she thinks of the party and opposition politics as a whole.

We cannot afford the 154th to sow discord now...

Unlike most people everywhere, from here to TOC to Facebook, I think when such things happen, it's all hands clapping.

Lina Chiam is as guilty as Chee and they are as guilty as KJ and NTS when it comes to this.

The reason why the debate dragged is because most of their supporters only told the other side to shut up.

Even the WP which is good at keeping quiet over such things (and when it comes to this it actually is an advantage) gets dragged in.

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

You obviously do.

How you expect me to understand your

"Goodness. How people read lines because they come from not in his favour."

is beyond me. I am not trying to pick on your English but at least make it a little comprehensible so I can understand what you are trying to say. Thanks.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Chau

Please do not get me wrong, if you want to pressure the authorities for a cause with the possibility of your death, YOU have to be willing to die in case the authorities do not relent and thus become a martyr and sustaining the cause.

A hunger strike entertains the possibility of death it accepts the possibility of and embraces death It is an action meant to kill yourself if need be. That is a key point which you refuse to entertain.

Your argument was that liquids and glucose were part of a hunger strike. I pointed out that liquids were allowed for purposes of hydration but glucose well is not in any form a hunger strike as considered by most.

If you had said Chee wanted to fast as a protest then well fair enough, but the point here is about Chee's " hunger strike" and a partial "hunger strike" masquerading as a full hunger strike just makes me shake my head.




Locke

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

I thought you decide what to believe for yourself. Is something believeable to you just because LTK says so? It's clear in context that he's rhetorically challenging LKY. It's also clear in context that you're rhetorically branding LTK.

To simplify matters, I have coloured the two parts of his statement in blue and red. This again, is what he said:

'I'm very surprised. MM Lee is Singapore's founding father. He has always said the truth. 'But now he has spoken without basis of truth, made allegations against me that are not based on facts."

The use of the coordinating conjunction "but" to indicate a contrast joins LTK's second statement with the first. The first statement is of equal syntactic importance to the second. Just because it portrays LTK as a bootlicker or negatively does not mean its importance is negated or that it was intended to mean something other than what it was intended to mean.

The 16 to 22 kHz frequency range of a dog whistle is inaudible to most humans and in politics, such messages between two politicians such as that between Godfather and Godson is derisively referred to as dogwhistling. Not many will be able to hear LTK's dogwhistling to LKY. Those who have work with dogs though, will be able to hear his dog whistling very clearly.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Chau

Lets see MM Lee encouraging LTK. Ever seen a trojan horse and or a poisoned chalice ? I note LKY in the heat of 2006 trying to get LTK to ditch James which he steadfastly refused as it would have damaged the party as a whole and its credibility. LKY might give you a grudging praise but at some point its not a free lunch.


Locke

 

[Areopagus]

Why in the world would anyone who believes in progress, justice and equality want praise from an 86 year old who has led a once prosperous country into ruin??? Someone who used a giant ponzi scheme to turn the country that was "propping up the sterling" in 1965 into one of the world's largest debtors????

 

[Perspective]

How you expect me to understand your

"Goodness. How people read lines because they come from not in his favour."

is beyond me. I am not trying to pick on your English but at least make it a little comprehensible so I can understand what you are trying to say. Thanks.

It's not what I wrote that matters. It's your affiliation and intention that matters. It's fine, you can win. Let's hope the party you love wins every of its seat contested smashing the PAP and WP loses its deposit in every seat it contests. At the end of the day people don't realise winning is only the start, not the end. And the reason PAP remains strong is the opposition screwing up less before and more after winning.

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Dear Chau

Please do not get me wrong, if you want to pressure the authorities for a cause with the possibility of your death, YOU have to be willing to die in case the authorities do not relent and thus become a martyr and sustaining the cause.

A hunger strike entertains the possibility of death it accepts the possibility of and embraces death It is an action meant to kill yourself if need be. That is a key point which you refuse to entertain.

Your argument was that liquids and glucose were part of a hunger strike. I pointed out that liquids were allowed for purposes of hydration but glucose well is not in any form a hunger strike as considered by most.

If you had said Chee wanted to fast as a protest then well fair enough, but the point here is about Chee's " hunger strike" and a partial "hunger strike" masquerading as a full hunger strike just makes me shake my head.


Locke

While a hunger strike may well lead to death, it is not a death strike. That is why while some hunger strikers may chose to fast to death, others stop midway or are force-fed by doctors and, unlike in the politically immature society that the Land of Lee is, are not ridiculed as being "partial", faked, putting up a masquerade, etc.

If hunger strikes are meant to be death strikes, Ghandi would only have been able to carry out one and only hunger strike before dying after that one hunger strike. Instead, he undertook several hunger strikes in his fight with the British colonialists.

For a hunger strike to be successful, you need to be in charge of your mental faculties in order to state your case which is what a hunger strike is all about.

For you to be in charge of your mental faculties, the body requires energy. This energy comes from glucose.

Ingestion of glucose , contrary to what LKY and his prostitute press claims, is kosher. In fact, hunger strikers sometimes even consume chocolate, fruit juice, etc for the sugar content.

What hunger strikers do not do is take solid food. That is not kosher.

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Dear Chau

Lets see MM Lee encouraging LTK. Ever seen a trojan horse and or a poisoned chalice ? I note LKY in the heat of 2006 trying to get LTK to ditch James which he steadfastly refused as it would have damaged the party as a whole and its credibility. LKY might give you a grudging praise but at some point its not a free lunch.

Locke

In the old forum, I predicted that James Gomez would be dropped after LKY's dogwhistling to LTK about James Gomez.

True enough, JG was dropped.

Nothing brilliant about me or my predictions. As someone who works with dogs, I am very familiar with dogwhistling.

 

[SDPhopelessParty]

Request for the SDP Chee siblings to maintain a low profile in General Election


Dear Sir,

At the time of writing this, the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) is known to be preparing for a General Election (GE) which is expected to be held within the few months. For the past 30 years the SDP has been active in GE. In 1991 it rose to prominence by winning 3 seats.

Since the 1990s, Dr Chee Soon Juan has continuously held the position of secretary-general in SDP. Dr Chee and his sister Ms Chee Siok Chin has tried to raise the profile of SDP by being more directly critical of the ruling People’s Action Party (PAP). This has resulted in the SDP being involved in a series of civil and criminal lawsuits.

Between 1984 and 1991, the PAP had seen its share of valid votes decreased from 78% to 61%. The actions of the Chee siblings had been to the advantage of the PAP. It had managed to portray the SDP and other critics as an assembly of hot-headed radicals. As a result, the SDP had been indirectly helping the PAP to win votes.

In the 1997 GE, the PAP reversed the decreasing vote trend by winning 65% of valid votes. In the 2001 GE, the PAP increased its valid vote share to 75%. In the 2006 GE, the SDP received approximately of 25% of valid votes in its contests. This was far below the 33% average for all opposition candidates.

Currently the SDP may be able to increase its vote share or even win a parliamentary seat due to apparent rising anti-PAP sentiments. It is essential the SDP should maintain contact with the masses through cool-headed rational discussion.

The Chee siblings had been associated with confrontational methods and this had almost certainly put off many voters. Therefore the writer urged the Chee siblings to maintain a low profile in the expected 2010 GE. It can still play a role as mentors to potential candidates.

With the large inflow of immigrants which are expected to more supportive of the PAP, this opposition would had to be very careful
not to give away any advantage to the PAP.



Yours truly,



Mr Chua Yuankai

 

[SDPhopelessParty]

Yea i agree , I am a Singaporean who want change but
to vote for a MAD opposition i will not .

I will vote for WP LKT who is a capable, logical , practical leader .
SDP MR Chee, not likely capable .
PAPaya is stupid and if
any opposition is SUE by PAPaya . Means that
Opposition is more stupid.

 

[SDPhopelessParty]

Quote:
Originally Posted by zujjkiol View Post
I agree. They do more damage to the Opp than they realise.

wat? on Thu, 18th Mar 2010 11:24 am

i m so sorry for u that u r banned for sharing SDP's cowardice. but be brave and continue to expose their tomfoolery nonsense that would harm sgp than really constructively enhance democracy and free speeches here.



THAT'S HOW SDP IB WORKS HERE. THEY HAVE OVER-RUN THIS FORUM WITH THEIR TYRANNY. free speeches and democracy from them? wait long long for their DEMOCRAPSY!!

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

It's not what I wrote that matters. It's your affiliation and intention that matters. It's fine, you can win. Let's hope the party you love wins every of its seat contested smashing the PAP and WP loses its deposit in every seat it contests. At the end of the day people don't realise winning is only the start, not the end. And the reason PAP remains strong is the opposition screwing up less before and more after winning.

As strange as it may sound but because I am extremely sympathetic to the plight of the indigenous habitants of this island, the Malays, the party that I hope will continue to win decisively and continue to govern is the PAP.

It is not the best of choices but given a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, I think the current interest of the Malays would be best served by the PAP and not Chinese-based political parties led by chang-huayi chauvinists like LTK and GMS.

I am sure the Malays will be astute enough to see a Chinese chauvinist when they see one even as these racists and obtuse chauvinists suddenly discover their (the Malays) existence, wrap themselves up in the cloak of multiracialism and fall all over themselves to "help" and "highlight" the plight of the Malays in the hope that they can secure a seat in Parliament.

Besides, if you are prepared to settle for an "opposition" that merely echos and parrot the PAP, you might as well settle for the real thing, i.e the PAP and not some pseudo-PAP parties dressed up as an "opposition" and pretending to be an "opposition".

 

[kingrant]

What is it about the Malays that the best party to serve them is the PAP?

What is it about the PAP that serves the Malays best?

How do you know?

As strange as it may sound but because I am extremely sympathetic to the plight of the indigenous habitants of this island, the Malays, the party that I hope will continue to win decisively and continue to govern is the PAP.

It is not the best of choices but given a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, I think the current interest of the Malays would be best served by the PAP and not Chinese-based political parties led by chang-huayi chauvinists like LTK and GMS.

I am sure the Malays will be astute enough to see a Chinese chauvinist when they see one even as these racists and obtuse chauvinists suddenly discover their (the Malays) existence, wrap themselves up in the cloak of multiracialism and fall all over themselves to "help" and "highlight" the plight of the Malays in the hope that they can secure a seat in Parliament.

Besides, if you are prepared to settle for an "opposition" that merely echos and parrot the PAP, you might as well settle for the real thing, i.e the PAP and not some pseudo-PAP parties dressed up as an "opposition" and pretending to be an "opposition".

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Chau

The authorities gave in to Ghandi when he started a hunger strike, but any hunger strike protest must be willing to take it in to its logical conclusion if the authorities do not bow to the pressure put on by the act of the hunger strike itself.

A hunger strike's ultimate goal is death if the demands are not mad, unless of course the authorities intervene through measures such as force feeding which in that case becomes a moral victory for the hunger striker

I can't but admire your weasel arguments as you try to justify Dr Chee's actions in the most positive light whatsoever.

Is a partial hunger strike a real hunger strike per say ? Taking liquid glucose breaks the rules of the real hunger strikers which apparently you seem unwilling to acknowledge or chose to obfuscate.


Locke

 

[Angelo]

Dear Chau

The authorities gave in to Ghandi when he started a hunger strike, but any hunger strike protest must be willing to take it in to its logical conclusion if the authorities do not bow to the pressure put on by the act of the hunger strike itself.

A hunger strike's ultimate goal is death if the demands are not mad, unless of course the authorities intervene through measures such as force feeding which in that case becomes a moral victory for the hunger striker

I can't but admire your weasel arguments as you try to justify Dr Chee's actions in the most positive light whatsoever.

Is a partial hunger strike a real hunger strike per say ? Taking liquid glucose breaks the rules of the real hunger strikers which apparently you seem unwilling to acknowledge or chose to obfuscate.


Locke

arh. the fake opposition pig is here. Sucked LTK's cock? he looks quite happy today, today is MP pay day?

 

[sampierre]

Hi,

I'm in agreement with what Chau Ve Nist has said about our two hopeless Opposition MPs Chiam See Tong & Low Thia Khiang. For the past many years, both of them were actually "sleeping" through all the Parliamentary debates ( I know they occasionally "wayang" a bit by making some speeches in Parliament for the past ten years, BUT there was no REAL debate taking place between the Opposition & PAP Ministers. In fact, Lee Hsien Loong has to "invite" LTK to debate on the Mas Selemat issue).
Chau Ve Nist is also spot-on when he mentioned about the failure of the Oppostion parties in putting more effort to woo the vital Malay constituency.

Seriously, both Chiam & Low should consider disbanding their respective parties and join the PAP instead of masquerading as Pseudo Pappies.

 

[Sideswipe]

Hi,

I'm in agreement with what Chau Ve Nist has said about our two hopeless Opposition MPs Chiam See Tong & Low Thia Khiang. For the past many years, both of them were actually "sleeping" through all the Parliamentary debates ( I know they occasionally "wayang" a bit by making some speeches in Parliament for the past ten years, BUT there was no REAL debate taking place between the Opposition & PAP Ministers. In fact, Lee Hsien Loong has to "invite" LTK to debate on the Mas Selemat issue).
Chau Ve Nist is also spot-on when he mentioned about the failure of the Oppostion parties in putting more effort to woo the vital Malay constituency.

LTK + CST 2 oppositions PK 81 PAP MPs - why bother.

You can debate to death with LHL in parliament but ultimately all bills are passed by a majority of 1 so it is pointless to debate much.

and I don't think our oppositions failing to win more seats in parliament have anything to do with LTK, CST poor parliamentary performance because those two are awful in parliament but they kept winning successive elections. According to bros here, Steve Chia did a decent job as NCMP but that doesn't help him get elected. The average peasants doesn't know and are not interested in what happen inside parliament - how well our oppositions perform?

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Dear Chau
I can't but admire your weasel arguments as you try to justify Dr Chee's actions in the most positive light whatsoever.

Save your "weasel argument" rubbish. Your behaviour is no different from that displayed in the old forum. The problem with the likes of you is that you start all these silly insults and when you meet someone like me who can give as good as he gets, you start portraying yourself as the injured party and whinging about 'thugs", start issuing infractions, etc.

Is a partial hunger strike a real hunger strike per say ? Taking liquid glucose breaks the rules of the real hunger strikers which apparently you seem unwilling to acknowledge or chose to obfuscate.

Care to provide a credible source for your claim that "a hunger strike's ultimate goal is death"? All I can find is that a hunger striker's ultimate aim is to draw attention to his cause and where desirable, to have his demands acceeded to. Death is not the aim but may result from his strike. Again it is a hunger strike, not a death strike.

I have already stated that what I say is not the Gospel truth and in an Internet world, the facts are out there with a few clicks of the mouse and keyboard.

Help yourself to your keyboard and mouse to access this information and stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Perspective]

As strange as it may sound but because I am extremely sympathetic to the plight of the indigenous habitants of this island, the Malays, the party that I hope will continue to win decisively and continue to govern is the PAP.

It is not the best of choices but given a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, I think the current interest of the Malays would be best served by the PAP and not Chinese-based political parties led by chang-huayi chauvinists like LTK and GMS.

I am sure the Malays will be astute enough to see a Chinese chauvinist when they see one even as these racists and obtuse chauvinists suddenly discover their (the Malays) existence, wrap themselves up in the cloak of multiracialism and fall all over themselves to "help" and "highlight" the plight of the Malays in the hope that they can secure a seat in Parliament.

Besides, if you are prepared to settle for an "opposition" that merely echos and parrot the PAP, you might as well settle for the real thing, i.e the PAP and not some pseudo-PAP parties dressed up as an "opposition" and pretending to be an "opposition".

It is odd to me that a person who has the faith in PAP the most thinks an opposition needs to go hardest on PAP the most.

Parties around the world take on their opponent depending on how they carry themselves and the political accepted culture set by them. That is why relations between the US Dems and Reps are not like Myanmar NLD and the military govt. If PAP is your best choice, the opposition is only seeing it from your view.

You might want to get your head checked.