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What do you think of TOC's Choo Zheng Xi?

scroobal

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But you may be right that as it now stands TOC appears to be a 2nd stringer Roundtable with PAP 'rejects' including oldies like Tan Kin Lian and Leong Sze Hian.
Like all political parties, there are factions that get their share of seats. Not as clear as 1st world factionalism in the case of PAP. For instance, The Singapore Chinese Techers Union always has a seat and it is now held by Yeo Guat Kwang. The Nanyang faction has Seng Han Tong leading it etc

As they are not amongst the academic elite and they can't fit into a faction, they have to go out and create their own presence.
 

bloodyhellTOC

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Bloody Hell This TOC, The Online Citizen, SDP did not disturb you but you guys Sabo SDP first. SDP did not make public announcement on the venue for the anniversary dinner.

http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/778-party-with-the-sdp-as-democrats-go-hawaiian

But soon after one fella from TOC asked about the venue and bought a ticket for the dinner, the Civil Service Club gave cock and bull stories, cancel the booking and the party had to do last-minute switch to Hort Park.

TOC Sabo King!
 

WayangPartyClub

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I notice TOC's Choo Zheng Xi has become very mainstream media savvy of late. Saw him on the morning CNA telly show sometime back (before AIMs), and now with AIMs, he seems to be featuring in both print and tv media quite prominently. Last night he was on a CNA telly show together with his own Dean, Prof. Tan Cheng Han(who is on the AIMs committee) hosted by the 2 twats FD and Phin:rolleyes:

So what do you guys think of him? A possible Vivian 'turn coat' in the making or some one who shall stick to his own apparent non partisan agenda?

Remy Choo not too long ago was helping MP Ho Geok Choo in her parliamentary and constituency work. Yet he whines about conflicts of interest within the PAP.

He loves the limelight and thinks he is untouchable as he has backings. He should step down from TOC!
 

WayangPartyClub

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Not sure if you are aware. Choo was aligned with the PAP and has been involved in their grassroots activity for sometime. I am not talking about RC stuff. He is like TiLik, Yaw, Andrew etc. Keen to play a part in politics but realised that they will not be in the line-up or can't wait. The TOC guys like airframe all came from PAP leanings. I believe that is a sponsor or mentor that encouraged the setting up of TOC. More like low brow Roundtable - 2nd attempt to be considered.

Yes Brother Scroobal.

You are too wise to be fooled. Please share more info on this deceitful character!
 

Avantas

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Bro scroobal:

It appears that you have some insider information about Choo's gang as well.

Choo not only has the backing of a few PAP MPs, but the support of some YPAP CEC members as well.

TOC was originally an idea conceived by Andrew Loh and his kakis from PAP and WP and subsequently hijacked by a PAP minister who egg the group to develop it into a Singapore's "Malaysiakini".

This minister is a 2nd generation leader, relatively young and dynamic and have the potential to become a future DPM. Choo is apparently banking his hopes on him for his rise up the hierarchy upon graduation.

Am I right, Mr Remy Choo ?
 

kakowi

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Based on the various posts and some other websites, it appears that working conclusions can be drawn about TOC. These conclusions may or may reflect the reality but they are useful hypotheses and can be modified as future events unfold.

(1) The TOC has strong connections to the PAP

(2) The TOC positioned themselves as moderate voices

(3) The TOC is now ready for greater limelight​

By itself a blogging website does not mean much.

But if some members of the TOC go into politics under their own umbrella, then they will be able to leverage on the mindshare of the voters - that they are independent, moderate and thus are useful alternative voices to the voters.

This will effectively marginalize the votes for WP. Especially when they challenge the WP for the same ward.

This will effectively silence SDP.

This will effectively give an answer to world wide critics of the Singapore system.

This will effectively fill a need amongst the voters - that we want an opposition to represent us in Parliament.​

Does it therefore matter if the opposition are independent or have strong ties to the ruling party? It pays to look at it from the voters perspective. Because that is where the battle is fought.

Most voters could not care less. They know now that there is a strong opposition. When prices increases, it will be voiced. There will be two major parties and as one keep saying, this is not a coalition, this does not come from Chee, this is good for singapore.

Yes, on a reasonable basis, voters are likely to accept the TOC.
 

one2unite

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Does it therefore matter if the opposition are independent or have strong ties to the ruling party? It pays to look at it from the voters perspective. Because that is where the battle is fought.

Are you sure?? As long as the so-called electoral process remains under the PAP, the results massaged by a department under the PMO will turn out to be exactly what the despotic regime wants.

How do you explain the fact that half of the electorate remain unable to cast their votes at every general elections?? Why last-minute changes to electoral boundaries; GRC fraud, hefty deposits for candidates, etc??

Why no presidential election that would give the entire voters the chance to cast their ballots under compulsory voting??

Above all, why have total control over the mainstream media headed by a deputy prime minister and staffed by ISD operatives??
 

kakowi

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if you will notice the '?'......

my main point, as always, it all comes down to the voters.

all the points you mentioned may be valid but if the voters discount that, then your position is discounted

if the voters hold misguided perceptions, then their votes will be misguided...most voters are apathetic, concerned only about bread and butter, and often their apathy stems from a sense of their powerlessness and inadequacy and as a result, they:

(1) do not realize the significance of the power of their single vote

(2) leave politics to the politicians and does not make the distinction that politicians are there for political office whilst voters are there for their own future

so, it all boils down to how the voters will perceive the TOC

and it is possible that it will be a positive impression
 

kakowi

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and when that happens, they will marginalize the entire opposition

you will/may notice that they have moved from the blogsphere into speaking publicly in person

whereas most of you are just ranting or trying to convert members of the different camps with your rhetoric
 

JPMorgan888

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Bloody Hell This TOC, The Online Citizen, SDP did not disturb you but you guys Sabo SDP first. SDP did not make public announcement on the venue for the anniversary dinner.

http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/778-party-with-the-sdp-as-democrats-go-hawaiian

But soon after one fella from TOC asked about the venue and bought a ticket for the dinner, the Civil Service Club gave cock and bull stories, cancel the booking and the party had to do last-minute switch to Hort Park.

TOC Sabo King!

Which one? Andrew? Remy?
 

lockeliberal

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Dear Porifio

I c the TOC as sticking to how it was formulated at its inception. That is one of inviting alternative views from all parties even from within the PAP and presenting those views to Singaporeans.

Honestly does one expect every one who stands against or writes against the PAP to be ideologically and racially pure ? True JBJ CSJ TLH and FS went from establishment to anti establishment over night but I believe there is a role for moderates and a middle ground. That is a place or a space somewhere in between where they might move more into the opposition camp or back into the PAP camp.

Choo or Andrew for that matter still have a long way to go to build up their blog. The attacks by Avantas asking Andrew abt his mother and stating that they "know what remy did in the past" are very reminescent of past attacks in the old forum which with the closing down of OTAK I suspect will not stop because old habits die hard.




Locke
 

lockeliberal

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Dear Scroobal


I c the TOC as sticking to how it was formulated at its inception. That is one of inviting alternative views from all parties even from within the PAP and presenting those views to Singaporeans. Sometimes new opposing voices appear and disappear, and sometimes they last like catherine lim an articulate conscience for the nation

Honestly does one expect every one who stands against or writes against the PAP to be ideologically and racially pure ? True JBJ CSJ TLH and FS went from establishment to anti establishment over night. But I believe there is a role for moderates and a middle ground. That is a place or a space somewhere in between where they might move more into the opposition camp or back into the PAP camp. If everyone in the middle is to PAP, then there is no alternative left or no variety of alternative voices. For that matter this on line hate campaign against Remy and Andrew only benefits in my view one individual or one group of individuals and politically benefits no one save those seeking to dominate cyberspace through clones and abuse. Do note the taunts of Avantas abt Andrew's mother, as despicable an act as I know it.

Choo or Andrew for that matter still have a long way to go to build up their blog. The attacks by Avantas asking Andrew abt his mother and stating that they "know what remy did in the past" are very reminescent of past horrific attacks in the old forum which with the closing down of OTAK I suspect will not stop because old habits die hard. Bully threaten torment, insult safely in private whilst in public being all smiles, that I have seen and do know.




Locke
 
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Alu862

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Choo has a few constructive ideas but is still arrogant in tone. He always has been since his school days.
 

Avantas

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Bro,

An "opposition" with close links to the PAP is NOT an opposition at all.

It is only a pseudo-opposition, or better still, a mere subsidiary of the PAP whose only function is to legitimize the regime.

A true opposition fighter and critic of the regime, be it a politician or blogger will not want to have anything to do with the PAP, e.g. Ng E Jay, Alex Au, Mr Brown, Mr Wang.

To me, they definitely have more credibility than this flip-flop Remy and Andrew.

They will surely make a greater "partnership" for their uncanny ability to twist, turn and distort.
 

Avantas

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Choo has always been a yaya show-off and talks down to his peers in a condescending voice as if he is some big shot.

Many in my JC class don't like him. Yet he didn't realize it and kept leeching to us. I once been to his condo at Pandan Valley and his entire room is filled with medals, prizes, certificates and what have you nots.

Yes, Mr Remy Choo, we all know you are a future PM material. Why don't you join the PAP and stop this TOC wayang ??
 
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Alu862

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Sort of Agree. But E jay is too neo liberal when neo-liberalism has failed

Mr Brown--appeals to the hearland crowd of jokes

Mr Wang-- a bit better than Brown. A Au, not so bad either

TOC--some (one or tow) good ideas lah, despite their biasness.

At least nothing compared to Chee, or NSP

Bro,

An "opposition" with close links to the PAP is NOT an opposition at all.

It is only a pseudo-opposition, or better still, a mere subsidiary of the PAP whose only function is to legitimize the regime.

A true opposition fighter and critic of the regime, be it a politician or blogger will not want to have anything to do with the PAP, e.g. Ng E Jay, Alex Au, Mr Brown, Mr Wang.

To me, they definitely have more credibility than this flip-flop Remy and Andrew.

They will surely make a greater "partnership" for their uncanny ability to twist, turn and distort.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Anything of reasonable substance to balance things up against PAP's top down condescending rationale:wink:

Btw I find it quite curious to see that thus far TOC has not been able to attract the likes of say Cherian George, Viswa Sadasivan or even Catherine Lim or Alfian Saat for that matter.

Roundtable had content as well if you remove the personalities. What exactly are you looking for?
 
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