Midldle East UAE has been waiting fot China real price warplanes...
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Good value for money
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Does these things have expiry dates ?
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Relax ... it is only a trainer plane ... not the actual fighters that you flew to combat.
However, it is a small step for bigger things to come if the West is not careful.
Race and IQ
However, it is a small step for bigger things to come if the West is not careful.
Race and IQ
I agree you need camel fuck..
Those Russian and Tiong dogs in this forum are very irrational. Their conscience has really gone to the dogs. Even if they claim that NATO is the cause of today's war in Ukraine, isn't Russia the worse of the evil by starting the present combative war? Should there be a war in Sinkie Land in the future, I pray for these dogs to be the first to die in line. WTF?
Those Russian and Tiong dogs in this forum are very irrational. Their conscience has really gone to the dogs. Even if they claim that NATO is the cause of today's war in Ukraine, isn't Russia the worse of the evil by starting the present combative war? Should there be a war in Sinkie Land in the future, I pray for these dogs to be the first to die in line. WTF?
You pray the camel cunt is wet enough for you...
Go ahead and masturbate yourself to the maximum if you will still insist that your fucking bastard Ah Tiongs don't have engine problems. LOL, these bastards can't even make a good tip for its ball-point pens.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-trying-to-fix-engine-problem-plaguing-fighter-jets-2021-6
How China is trying to fix the biggest problem plaguing its fighter jets
Benjamin Brimelow
Jun 7, 2021, 6:31 AM
China's J-20 stealth fighter jet. Reuters
- China's leaders regularly tout their country's fighter jets as symbols of military capability.
- But China's fighter jets have long had a major shortcoming: a lack of quality engines.
- China's defense industry has struggled with that flaw, but Beijing is working hard to fix it.
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Of all the fighters in China's arsenal, none are as important as the J-20.
The fifth-generation fighter also known as the "Mighty Dragon" is more than just a stealth fighter. It's an example that China, like the US, can build some of the best military technology in the world.
It has become a symbol for the Chinese Communist Party, shown proudly at military parades and mentioned repeatedly in Chinese defense publications.
After a brutal brawl with Indian troops on the countries' disputed border last year, China sent two J-20s to airbases in Xinjiang.
That deployment was too small to be of any real strategic significance, but the fact that China deployed its best fighter jet to a remote area in the Himalayas showed its seriousness. The J-20's deployment to China's Eastern Theatre Command is meant to send a similar message to Taiwan, Japan, and the US.
But the J-20, like all Chinese aircraft, has been hobbled by a lack of efficient and durable, high-performance jet engines.
That problem has plagued China's defense industry for a long time, and it's one Beijing is working hard to fix.
A long-standing problem
China's J-20 stealth fighter jet. Reuters
China's difficulties with jet engines may be surprising given the country's massive and successful military buildup.
It's also no secret that China is skilled at reverse-engineering foreign technology to make domestic copies. Virtually every Chinese fighter jet is based on stolen or reverse-engineered designs.
There is precedent for reverse-engineering jet engines, but while China has plenty of access to Russian jet engines, Beijing's attempts to produce its own domestic designs have been largely unsuccessful.
One of its earliest versions of a domestically designed engine, the WS-10A, regularly broke down after just 30 hours of use.
There are many reasons for these failures. First, Russia is aware China has stolen its intellectual property before and is reluctant to sell Beijing its best engines. Moscow also doesn't sell standalone engines, instead including them on existing jets, which makes copying them difficult.
Second, reverse-engineering skill doesn't easily translate into proficiency at developing new jet engines from scratch. That requires technological know-how that takes years of intensive learning to develop and generations to perfect.
The 'apex' of technological manufacturing
China's J-20 stealth fighter jet. Reuters
Perhaps most important, manufacturing jet engines is just extremely complicated.
"There are a few technologies that are really at the apex of technological manufacturing," and jet engines are one of them, Timothy Heath, a senior international and defense researcher at the Rand Corporation think tank, told Insider.
"These high-end technologies are so difficult to master that very few countries succeed. Many have failed," Heath added.
The main difficulty lies in the metallurgy and machining. A single engine on a civilian Boeing 747 airliner, for example, has at least 40,000 parts. Temperatures in that engine can reach as high as 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit, and its fan blades can spin well over 3,000 times a minute during an hours-long flight.
Blueprints for such an engine can be copied, but the secrets to producing and shaping metal parts that can withstand those temperatures and spin at such tremendous RPM over thousands of hours — not to mention external factors like wind resistance and corrosion — without breaking aren't easy to find.
Another disadvantage for China is that the entities tasked with developing these complex machines are state-owned enterprises.
Historically speaking, SOEs struggle with innovation and developing cutting-edge technology. The reliance on reverse-engineering shows that this is the case with China, though there are certainly exceptions.
"They're better at just reverse-engineering simpler components and building simpler things," Heath said. "All this requires a level of expertise and competence that SOEs just often are not very good at. You have to recognize the limitations of the SOEs in China when it comes to innovation."
'Crucial technology cannot be bought'
China's J-20 stealth fighter at an air show in 2016. REUTERS/Stringer
China is more than aware of its engine problems.
Liu Daxiang, the deputy director of the science and technology committee at the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China, last year called the development of domestic jet engines "a serious and urgent political task" and said China was facing an "unprecedented challenge."
"The established countries in aviation have become more strict with us when it comes to technology access," Liu said, adding that recent US efforts to restrict opportunities for the Chinese telecommunications firm Huawei "tells us that crucial technology cannot be bought, even if you spend big."
In an attempt to get direct access to the secrets of jet manufacturing, the Chinese state-owned aviation firm Skyrizon, which has been blacklisted by the US government, tried to acquire a controlling stake in Motor Sich, a Ukrainian company that is one of the largest producers of engines for helicopters, jets, and missiles.
But the Ukrainian government this year stopped the deal, most likely because of pressure from the US.
Despite the setbacks, China has made some progress. Modern variants of the WS-10 have progressed enough that some Chinese jets are being fitted with them, including numerous J-20s.
Chinese sources have said that the WS-15, an engine designed specifically for the J-20, "may be finished within one or two years" and that once those engines are installed, the J-20 will be "on a par" with the US's fifth-generation F-22 Raptor.
Ballpoint pens, microchips, and jet engines
Chinese J-20 stealth fighters. Reuters
But many challenges remain. The complexity of the materials and metallurgy process, the costs of acquiring and maintaining the scientific and machining expertise, and the reluctance of other countries to assist China for fear of intellectual-property theft are but a few of them.
China faces a similar predicament in manufacturing high-end microchips and semiconductors. Despite hundreds of millions of dollars and major efforts by state-owned enterprises, China has not been able to create its own computer chips.
"It's just that some of these technologies are extremely difficult to do, and it doesn't matter how much money you throw at it — if you don't have the right combination of people, technologies, and skills, it's just not going to come together so easily," Heath said.
But China doesn't give up easily. In 2017, a Chinese state-owned firm announced plans to mass-produce ballpoint pen tips for the first time. China already made billions of pens, but only after a five-year, multimillion-dollar effort did it develop the technology to make tips for those pens domestically.
"All these elements can be reached only through long-term investment and incremental development," a Chinese researcher said at the time.
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Simi lancheow Chinese trainer plane. The Russian Yakolev aviation bureau help them design the plane and that is why it resembles the Yak-130. The engines are also russians. If the chinese were to design their own jet trainer, it will be 20 years late and running on crap chinese engines. This is just a chinese copy of a russian trainer
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Those Russian and Tiong dogs in this forum are very irrational. Their conscience has really gone to the dogs. Even if they claim that NATO is the cause of today's war in Ukraine, isn't Russia the worse of the evil by starting the present combative war? Should there be a war in Sinkie Land in the future, I pray for these dogs to be the first to die in line. WTF?
For Russia's case, it's not very clear cut.
You could say Russia was starting a defensive war because the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine were getting slaughtered by neo Nazis. Perhaps Putin was goaded into war, perhaps he saw a great opportunity to do some house cleaning. Ukraine is not the 'good guys' as Big Tech/Media would have you believe. They lied to you about the US election in 2020 and the pandemic/scamdemic, don't be duped again.
No matter what, Russia is the first one to initiate this war. And you believe Putin's shit excuse of eliminating Neo-Nazis? Didn't he said just 4 weeks ago that he won't invade Ukraine? That his troops at the borders have already retreated? Even until today, he will still not admit this, but bluffing his own people that it's just a military drill. Maybe next month he'll increase the VAT and tell his people that the VAT is for helping the poor, taking a leaf from Pinkie.For Russia's case, it's not very clear cut.
You could say Russia was starting a defensive war because the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine were getting slaughtered by neo Nazis. Perhaps Putin was goaded into war, perhaps he saw a great opportunity to do some house cleaning. Ukraine is not the 'good guys' as Big Tech/Media would have you believe. They lied to you about the US election in 2020 and the pandemic/scamdemic, don't be duped again.
Many in Ukraine today have Russian roots since it was ex-USSR. Why they can still live peacefully in Ukraine? Because they are sick of the Soviet era. They are sick of Russia. They have kin and relatives on both sides, just like Singapore and Malaysia, or a more exact comparison will be between North and South Korea. You think Ukraine will start a war with Russia at its Eastern border? In 2014, Russia had already annexed Crimea, a former Ukrainian territory. Russia is also in control of 20% of Georgia's territory today, not to mention Belarus is just a puppet of Russia. If Russia is not a bully, why don't they go after ex-USSR states which are NATO members: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Romania, etc, especially the first 2 which are at Russia's border. After this embolden move to conquer Ukraine, they will come after Moldova after a few years.
If Ukraine had started this present war and intrude into Russian's territory in the East, then I would say that Ukraine truly deserves the bombardment by Russia.
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The fact that there are no chinese made commercial planes being used says a lot.
The Comac C919 program was launched in 2008 with roughly 40% of its core component supplied from overseas with no planes been delivered yet
The Comac C919 program was launched in 2008 with roughly 40% of its core component supplied from overseas with no planes been delivered yet
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Somebody should tell UAE the engines are made in ukraine.
Dumbwit, made in Malaysia...
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I believe trouble with Georgia only started after they state their intentions be member of NATO. And NATO stsrted arming georgia. In sny case, stalin was georgian he killed plenty .
And crimea was originally tatar khanate ( muslim territory) but was given to Ukraine by khrushev.
[After the Second World War and the subsequent deportation of all of the indigenous Crimean Tatars, the Crimean ASSR was stripped of its autonomy in 1946 and was downgraded to the status of an oblast of the Russian SFSR.
In 1954, the Crimean Oblast was transferred from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR by decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union to commemorate the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's union with Russia.[66] The action was attributed to Nikita Khrushchev, then-First Secretary of the Communist Party.]
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The original design of china's JL-10 was originally from russua under yak 130.
Yakovlev russian company needed a partner so they jv with Italy which evolved into rsaf's aremachi mb-346.
Yakovlev split snd was given minimal compensation for the design, so they do another jv with china ss JL-10.
U can't tell between a duck or a chicken... bs yr narrative...
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