Serious Whose side will Lee Hsien Loong take?

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The global political landscape is at a turning point. All the guns are now pointing at China and Xi Jinping. Can Singapore continue to "sit on the fence"?

U.S. Position on Maritime Claims in the South China Sea

The United States champions a free and open Indo-Pacific. Today we are strengthening U.S. policy in a vital, contentious part of that region — the South China Sea. We are making clear: Beijing’s claims to offshore resources across most of the South China Sea are completely unlawful, as is its campaign of bullying to control them.

In the South China Sea, we seek to preserve peace and stability, uphold freedom of the seas in a manner consistent with international law, maintain the unimpeded flow of commerce, and oppose any attempt to use coercion or force to settle disputes. We share these deep and abiding interests with our many allies and partners who have long endorsed a rules-based international order.

These shared interests have come under unprecedented threat from the People’s Republic of China (PRC). Beijing uses intimidation to undermine the sovereign rights of Southeast Asian coastal states in the South China Sea, bully them out of offshore resources, assert unilateral dominion, and replace international law with “might makes right.” Beijing’s approach has been clear for years. In 2010, then-PRC Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi told his ASEAN counterparts that “China is a big country and other countries are small countries and that is just a fact.” The PRC’s predatory world view has no place in the 21st century.

The PRC has no legal grounds to unilaterally impose its will on the region. Beijing has offered no coherent legal basis for its “Nine-Dashed Line” claim in the South China Sea since formally announcing it in 2009. In a unanimous decision on July 12, 2016, an Arbitral Tribunal constituted under the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention – to which the PRC is a state party – rejected the PRC’s maritime claims as having no basis in international law. The Tribunal sided squarely with the Philippines, which brought the arbitration case, on almost all claims.

As the United States has previously stated, and as specifically provided in the Convention, the Arbitral Tribunal’s decision is final and legally binding on both parties. Today we are aligning the U.S. position on the PRC’s maritime claims in the SCS with the Tribunal’s decision. Specifically:

  • The PRC cannot lawfully assert a maritime claim – including any Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) claims derived from Scarborough Reef and the Spratly Islands – vis-a-vis the Philippines in areas that the Tribunal found to be in the Philippines’ EEZ or on its continental shelf. Beijing’s harassment of Philippine fisheries and offshore energy development within those areas is unlawful, as are any unilateral PRC actions to exploit those resources. In line with the Tribunal’s legally binding decision, the PRC has no lawful territorial or maritime claim to Mischief Reef or Second Thomas Shoal, both of which fall fully under the Philippines’ sovereign rights and jurisdiction, nor does Beijing have any territorial or maritime claims generated from these features.
  • As Beijing has failed to put forth a lawful, coherent maritime claim in the South China Sea, the United States rejects any PRC claim to waters beyond a 12-nautical mile territorial sea derived from islands it claims in the Spratly Islands (without prejudice to other states’ sovereignty claims over such islands). As such, the United States rejects any PRC maritime claim in the waters surrounding Vanguard Bank (off Vietnam), Luconia Shoals (off Malaysia), waters in Brunei’s EEZ, and Natuna Besar (off Indonesia). Any PRC action to harass other states’ fishing or hydrocarbon development in these waters – or to carry out such activities unilaterally – is unlawful.
  • The PRC has no lawful territorial or maritime claim to (or derived from) James Shoal, an entirely submerged feature only 50 nautical miles from Malaysia and some 1,000 nautical miles from China’s coast. James Shoal is often cited in PRC propaganda as the “southernmost territory of China.” International law is clear: An underwater feature like James Shoal cannot be claimed by any state and is incapable of generating maritime zones. James Shoal (roughly 20 meters below the surface) is not and never was PRC territory, nor can Beijing assert any lawful maritime rights from it.
The world will not allow Beijing to treat the South China Sea as its maritime empire. America stands with our Southeast Asian allies and partners in protecting their sovereign rights to offshore resources, consistent with their rights and obligations under international law. We stand with the international community in defense of freedom of the seas and respect for sovereignty and reject any push to impose “might makes right” in the South China Sea or the wider region.
 
Loong cannot decide... his wife will decide for him. :biggrin:

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Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's Telephone Call with President of the People’s Republic of China Xi Jinping


Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong received a phone call from President of the People’s Republic of China Xi Jinping on 14 July 2020. President Xi congratulated Prime Minister Lee on the results of the Singapore General Election on 10 July 2020.

Prime Minister Lee and President Xi reaffirmed the strong ties between Singapore and China as both countries mark the 30th anniversary of diplomatic relations this year. They also expressed appreciation for the mutual assistance and support between both sides amidst the COVID-19 outbreak. Both leaders exchanged views on ways to facilitate an economic recovery amidst COVID-19 by strengthening cross-border and supply chain connectivity, as well as finance, trade and investment cooperation. They welcomed bilateral and international cooperation to address the public health and socio-economic impact of the pandemic.

Both leaders discussed the continued progress in key bilateral projects such as the China-Singapore (Chongqing) Demonstration Initiative on Strategic Connectivity-New International Land-Sea Trade Corridor, as well as cooperation under the Belt and Road Initiative. Prime Minister Lee and President Xi also exchanged views on regional and international developments.

Prime Minister Lee conveyed his condolences on the recent floods in China and expressed confidence in China’s ability to overcome this challenge.
 
the Republic of China had published a 11-dash line on the South China Sea map in 1947, and the USA had acknowledged it, USA had accepted it back then.
 
Lee Hsien Loong doesn't have much time to decide. If Singapore doesn't align itself with the Western world, we are basically kaput. For a start, I think that the Prime Minister should terminate the extradition treaty with Hong Kong immediately after his cabinet is sworn in. Now is the time to show the US our resolve. No more sitting on the fence!
 
the Republic of China had published a 11-dash line on the South China Sea map in 1947, and the USA had acknowledged it, USA had accepted it back then.

Republic of China is Taiwan, not CCP. Do you know what you are talking about? The US did not establish diplomatic relationship with the CCP until January 1, 1979.
 
The pappies and their proxies e.g. Tommy Koh love to talk a lot about the Law of the Sea.

Here we have a rogue regime that blatantly breaks the Law of the Sea, and yet the self-serving PAP technocrats prefer to turn a blind eye to that for some paltry benefits. :roflmao:

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Lee Hsien Loong doesn't have much time to decide. If Singapore doesn't align itself with the Western world, we are basically kaput. For a start, I think that the Prime Minister should terminate the extradition treaty with Hong Kong immediately after his cabinet is sworn in. Now is the time to show the US our resolve. No more sitting on the fence!

Have you seen this? Lee Hsien Loong was essentially saying that he wants to collaborate with China to challenge the US dollar hegemony. :biggrin:

 
It's time to sit on the fence. Why should we choose sides ? Let the American bomb the shit out of the Chinese Navy out.
 
It's time to sit on the fence. Why should we choose sides ? Let the American bomb the shit out of the Chinese Navy out.

You sit on the fence, you kena jialat from both sides.

If Lee Hsien Loong thinks playing the role of a 'neutral peacemaker' is going to help, he'll be in for a rude shock. :cool:
 
It's time to sit on the fence. Why should we choose sides ? Let the American bomb the shit out of the Chinese Navy out.

The US will not be taking the offensive. Most likely will be Vietnam joined by Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia, with the Americans swiftly coming for support. All of these will be scripted beforehand. Singapore is as good as dead for the next 50 years if it continues to sit on the fence.
 
Best is not to take side. South China Sea is none of Singapore concerns. Let China neighbouring sea disputes settle among themselves to reach an equivalent. You have Indonesia, Vietnam, Pinoy, Malaysia all claims to have interest in that sea. Why must we be so Kapo? Let Amercia do the work and sit back. Own country also cannot unite, want to unite South China Sea? Moron LHL.
 
Best is not to take side. South China Sea is none of Singapore concerns. Let China neighbouring sea disputes settle among themselves to reach an equivalent. You have Indonesia, Vietnam, Pinoy, Malaysia all claims to have interest in that sea. Why must we be so Kapo? Let Amercia do the work and sit back. Own country also cannot unite, want to unite South China Sea? Moron LHL.

You have no choice once US forces you to take side. Unless you want Russian-made fighter jets flying overhead you everyday. I feel there is little to be lost by terminating the extradition treaty with Hong Kong.
 
It's time to sit on the fence. Why should we choose sides ? Let the American bomb the shit out of the Chinese Navy out.

His priority is to fix the new fellas who got erected into parliament. Remember his speech in 2015?
 
Singapore unfortunately cannot sit idle. I know one mainlander here in Singapore who told me that China has a claim on Singapore because Cheng Ho came here and its a Chinese Island. Fellow went on to tell me eventually Singapore will join China nothing we can do about it
 
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