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Why Orang Asli have less rights than bumiputeras..

syed putra

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for you, do you define this as socialism or communism?
Its race based socialism.because there is still a semblance of free speech. If no free speech, it becomes communism.local economist have labelled dr m's policies as failures openly and no repercussion. Some are even lecturers in gahmen universities.
 

nightsafari

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Its race based socialism.because there is still a semblance of free speech. If no free speech, it becomes communism.local economist have labelled dr m's policies as failures openly and no repercussion. Some are even lecturers in gahmen universities.
i agree. socialism is communism with a polite face with an attempt at appearing democratic. nobody wins. except the gahmen and its cronies.
 

whoami

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this is precisely my point. don't think I am insensitive to the problems Malays face, I treat all the same no matter the skin colour. :smile:

Above, I highlighted all the results/buah from having pro-bumi affirmative action. As long as you have those policies, you will get the results abang sendiri menunjuk. Macam gini bagaimana? The source of the problem is this bumiputra yang pertama ideology which the gahmen is using to control votes. Kalau abang betul betul mahu Melayu maju, then the ideology has got to go. Menampak dengan mata jelas what is the true problem. It's the gahmen, policies and ideology.

I don't say what I suggest is easy, but I think it is the only real solution that is not full of BS.

look. I wish that guy @amransan would come and reply here. He was a new member I was just talking to a few weeks ago on this forum. I'm pretty sure he said he was a dispatch rider. But now haven't reached 50 retired in Australia with two properties after he migrate. Abang, the problem in Malaysia, Singapore and pretty much anywhere in Asia is how they treat different workers differently. No need talk about race. Different job skills enough to discriminate.

I just have this feeling its the present generation of cheena tat made the most noise regarding those Bumi privileges. I suppose they tot they born in Malaysia, thus also entitle to those privileges. Anyway like i mentioned, it was agreed upon during Tunku time. As to when it should be abolished, certainly not now, imo.

Tapi kalau terus hapuskan Bumi rights sekarang, saya khuatir akibat nya. Sebab sekarang Msia banyak utang dan jatuh miskin. :cautious: Bangsa Melayu banyak miskin. I believe pro bumi can uplift the Bumi status interms of education and jobs. Give a time frame and deadline. But all parties must agree...especially the cheena. So when the time come for the privileges to be removed, the Bumi cannot kpkb. Enough time given to them to buck up.

I also have some Malay friends who migrated to Aust. Doing quite fine. But deep in their heart they still prefer Sinkieland. Theres this case very unique. Nothing to do with career actually. Both husband and wife married but without children. Everywhere they went relatives keep asking them when they plan to have children. So they fed up and migrated to Australia. They opened up a small madrasah tere....serving a small malay community..
 

whoami

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Hullo. I do not instigate violence like your self righteous brothers in syria, afghanistan, iran, yemen, saudi, sudan, pakustan, egypt.......

As i know US the main instigator, no.

But in india, ur kind instigate violence. Try selling or eating beef tere and the hindus will go bersek
 
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syed putra

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(Tapi kalau terus hapuskan Bumi rights sekarang, saya khuatir akibat nya. Sebab sekarang Msia banyak utang dan jatuh miskin. :cautious: Bangsa Melayu banyak miskin. I believe pro bumi can uplift the Bumi status interms of education and jobs. Give a time frame and deadline. But all parties must agree...especially the cheena. So when the time come for the privileges to be removed, the Bumi cannot kpkb. Enough time given to them to buck up.)

You obviously do not understand economics. The longer they abuse this privileges, the poorer the people and the country will be. Shared prosperity is a myth. All the countries that practised it nearly go bankrupt. Russia included. That why they abandoned shared prosperity ( socialism and NEP) for capitalism.
 

whoami

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(Tapi kalau terus hapuskan Bumi rights sekarang, saya khuatir akibat nya. Sebab sekarang Msia banyak utang dan jatuh miskin. :cautious: Bangsa Melayu banyak miskin. I believe pro bumi can uplift the Bumi status interms of education and jobs. Give a time frame and deadline. But all parties must agree...especially the cheena. So when the time come for the privileges to be removed, the Bumi cannot kpkb. Enough time given to them to buck up.)

You obviously do not understand economics. The longer they abuse this privileges, the poorer the people and the country will be. Shared prosperity is a myth. All the countries that practised it nearly go bankrupt. Russia included. That why they abandoned shared prosperity ( socialism and NEP) for capitalism.


Not necessary, Just need to fine tune it. But I agree with u. Not good for long term. Its not a recipe to success.
 

nightsafari

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Tapi kalau terus hapuskan Bumi rights sekarang, saya khuatir akibat nya.
it can be a valid concern. but I think people are ready.

Sebab sekarang Msia banyak utang dan jatuh miskin. :cautious: Bangsa Melayu banyak miskin. I believe pro bumi can uplift the Bumi status interms of education and jobs. Give a time frame and deadline. But all parties must agree...especially the cheena. So when the time come for the privileges to be removed, the Bumi cannot kpkb. Enough time given to them to buck up.

Saya tahu lah. Sakit hati kan? pro bumi takkan tolong Melayu. Hanya tolong yang itu orang besar. This NEP has taken all the business and concentrated it in only a few Malay hands. Average Melayu as you say worse off than before. I see statistics somewhere before di mana sudah lupa tapi itu statistics menunjuk average Melayu is poorer now than before in the 60s or 70s. Of course whole country is poorer as well. Mana itu wang pergi? Itu cerita PM dan kawan-kawan. For an example take a look at AP for car import. Only a handful of Malays benefit. Auto-monopoly. Don't even start about Sarawak. The longer it carries on, the poorer Malays will get.

Sebenarnya yang ini pro bumi bikin macam gini will lama lama sabo Melayu. Kalau sekarang atau later. it's not a problem. But the longer it goes on, the worse it becomes. First thing to change is mindset. One of the things that you said jadikan kepala saya pusing I can't remember which post is about how Malays cannot succeed and therefore only have Malaysia to fall back on. That is not true. What is true is that Malays are not born or taught into mindset of success. Kalau tak percaya boleh menang boleh menang ke? Terus nampak cina kerja rajin angkat tangan ke? Kalau mahu menang mesti rajin. Senang sekali, but saya nampak a lot of bapak melayu tak ajar kanak kanak percaya sendiri rajin bekerja/dapat rezeki. No self-belief. You tambah ini pro bumi policy, lagi teruk. Lagi sendiri percaya, Melayu mesti ada pertolongan untuk menang. Lagi malas.

Kalau betul-betul mahu tolong Melayu, get performance coaching centre for kanak kanak miskin. Melayu dan semua lain. I volunteer kalau saya tak penat. Not buang wang sahaja. Anytime money enters the picture no good will come of it. Betul atau salah? But those kanak kanak mesti commit lah.

I also have some Malay friends who migrated to Aust. Doing quite fine. But deep in their heart they still prefer Sinkieland. Theres this case very unique. Nothing to do with career actually. Both husband and wife married but without children. Everywhere they went relatives keep asking them when they plan to have children. So they fed up and migrated to Australia. They opened up a small madrasah tere....serving a small malay community..
this one any race also got... :laugh:
 
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nightsafari

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Yang i tau bangsa Putra suke minum todi. Jadi faham ya.. :cautious:
alamak. now you starting racist again...

he's not wrong. Actually, I believe what you see about Chinese is not current. Melayu miskin tambah miskin is not wrong, but Chinese not doing well either. Nobody is except the orang besar.
 

nightsafari

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I just have this feeling its the present generation of cheena tat made the most noise regarding those Bumi privileges. I suppose they tot they born in Malaysia, thus also entitle to those privileges. Anyway like i mentioned, it was agreed upon during Tunku time. As to when it should be abolished, certainly not now, imo.

It's not just them or more likely us. It's the current times we live in. All the world has moved past race-based privileges. Malaysia is held back by them. The rest of the world fighting for the best migrants. Kalau tunku time is tunku time. The world was a very different place and black people cannot share bathrooms and restaurants with white people.
 

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Show proof. 10%? Dont forget you aneh tycoon Ananda Krishnan
perfect example. You know why Ananda Krishnan is where he is? Dia membantu kanak kanak Tun belajar di UK. Cari lobang dan menjaga semua dia settle. Tun also has a few Chinese and Indian friends you know. :wink:
 

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it can be a valid concern. but I think people are ready.

Tats what u think. Which ministers dare to take the risks and abolish the Bumis rights immediately? DAP berani? Again i repeat, not at the moment. I feel its not safe. Tats my view. Just agree to disagree ok. We can keep going round and round in circle..


Saya tahu lah. Sakit hati kan? pro bumi takkan tolong Melayu. Hanya tolong yang itu orang besar. This NEP has taken all the business and concentrated it in only a few Malay hands. Average Melayu as you say worse off than before. I see statistics somewhere before di mana sudah lupa tapi itu statistics menunjuk average Melayu is poorer now than before in the 60s or 70s. Of course whole country is poorer as well. Mana itu wang pergi? Itu cerita PM dan kawan-kawan. For an example take a look at AP for car import. Only a handful of Malays benefit. Auto-monopoly. Don't even start about Sarawak. The longer it carries on, the poorer Malays will get.

The problem is Bumi did have some benefits like money in kind. Just tat its a small token. But its still money. Now tat they are poor and u immediately take it away...hmmm...how u tink they will feel?

Sebenarnya yang ini pro bumi bikin macam gini will lama lama sabo Melayu. Kalau sekarang atau later. it's not a problem. But the longer it goes on, the worse it becomes. First thing to change is mindset. One of the things that you said jadikan kepala saya pusing I can't remember which post is about how Malays cannot succeed and therefore only have Malaysia to fall back on. That is not true. What is true is that Malays are not born or taught into mindset of success. Kalau tak percaya boleh menang boleh menang ke? Terus nampak cina kerja rajin angkat tangan ke? Kalau mahu menang mesti rajin. Senang sekali, but saya nampak a lot of bapak melayu tak ajar kanak kanak percaya sendiri rajin bekerja/dapat rezeki. No self-belief. You tambah ini pro bumi policy, lagi teruk. Lagi sendiri percaya, Melayu mesti ada pertolongan untuk menang. Lagi malas.

I tak cakap Melayu tak bisa succeed. Wat i said was in times of turbulent or crisis, MALAYsia is their country, their Motherland. If other races, they can go back to their own respective motherland like India or China or Sinkieland for the cheena. Cos sinkieland is second china. :cautious: Tere may be some Melayu family tidak apa attitude. But to generalise all Melayu as such i dont tink its right. Just like my dad, i taught my children well. Bad school results sure kana by me. Punishment...but not as severe as how i got it from my dad. My children semua ok interms of educational level. Tats all i can said cos i dont like to brag. My Msia relatives also doing quite fine except a couple of them. Just like u, tere was this post tat went on viral where cheena criticise the Malays being lazy. But how i dont see cheena in public sectors? Who catches those robbers and criminals? Ur house got fire, who put out those fires. When teres war, which race will be at front line? And u call them lazy?

Kalau betul-betul mahu tolong Melayu, get performance coaching centre for kanak kanak miskin. Melayu dan semua lain. I volunteer kalau saya tak penat. Not buang wang sahaja. Anytime money enters the picture no good will come of it. Betul atau salah? But those kanak kanak mesti commit lah.

this one any race also got... :laugh:

I know monetary terms is not a permanent solution. But financial help should be given to those in state of poverty.
 
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