The current Rebels' Detention Center 新屋嶺 is too mild too kind to civilized too humane and not effective enough. Atrocity need to be MAXIMIZED by 1000X instantly.
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中年和理非主場 批警暴倡獨立調查 林鄭重複有監警會、稱不再用新屋嶺
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行政長官林鄭月娥昨晚在灣仔伊利沙伯體育館舉行首場社區對話，2萬人報名抽中150人參與（部分人未有出席），30名發言者多是中年人，大部分人有提及警暴相關的問題，有人關注被捕人士進入新屋嶺拘留中心後的情況，要求增加透明度。林鄭表示與警方溝通過，鑒於市民對新屋嶺的運作有關注，以她所知，警方高層已不再使用新屋嶺拘留中心，監警會將重點看新屋嶺內有否發生很多人指控的事。
多名發言者要求成立獨立調查委員會，惟林鄭僅重複之前的說法，稱會交由監警會處理。多人說自己是和理非、「五大訴求，缺一不可」。林鄭也只重申：「五個訴求中，有些我們真的沒法接受，要完全不追究、全部釋放拘捕的人，這個將會對香港法治社會帶來最大最大的衝擊。」有人批評林鄭須問責下台，林鄭稱她同意作為行政長官要負責；但當有人質疑為何沒有官員須負責時，林鄭卻沒有回應。
對話在晚上9時許結束後，場外的群眾要求見林鄭，林鄭最後在伊館逗留了3個多小時，凌晨1時半才步上座駕，在警方開路下離開。
對話昨晚7至9時在伊館舉行，下午5時許，多名警員已在門口戒備。記者入場前，先要在地下大堂排隊登記，然後再上一樓排隊接受安檢。記者須將身上所有物品及器材放在籃子通過X光機檢驗，工作人員又要求記者打開袋子查看，然後著記者把頭盔、豬嘴、縮骨遮、水等物品放進一個大膠袋寄存，待離開時才取回。
場內舞台位置正中央的一邊放了五張供林鄭和官員坐的椅子，參加者的座位則在前方分成三面包圍；座位兩側分別放置了一個大型計時器。過百名記者站在圍欄外，架起攝影機。對話主持人為政制及內地事務局局長政治助理、前TVB記者吳璟儁，他在開始前5分鐘公布，約130人已入場，座位後排有約20張空椅。有約20多名穿西裝、戴耳機的警員，主要站在官員兩側斜後方，另外每邊座位的前排亦坐了數名警員。場邊的通道，再有近20名警員在一旁守候。
晚上7時，林鄭月娥與民政事務局局長劉江華、食物及衞生局局長陳肇始、商務及經濟發展局局長邱騰華、政制及內地事務局局長聶德權一同現身。惟在整場對話會中，除了聶德權發言一次外，其餘三人都沒有發言。林鄭首先表示，有人說這是公關騷，她明白大家的反應，因為過去一段日子，市民對政府及她的信心都下降不少，但指無論多艱難，都應該開始直接對話。
大會以現場抽籤形式抽出發言者，每人發言3分鐘，每輪抽出6人。官員在一輪提問後才一併回應，最後抽出5輪共30人發言。參加者中，部分人戴上口罩，年輕人不算多。大部分發言者為中年人，其中不少人自稱和理非。
大部分人發言時都提到警察濫暴及濫捕的問題，亦有不少人要求成立獨立調查委員會。林鄭回應指，法治是香港的核心價值，即使是執法機關都要守規守法，所以政府支持執法機關工作，不代表容許它們不守規守法，無論任何人犯法，政府都會一視同仁處理。至於成立獨立調查委員會，林鄭稱政府不是反對了解真相，「我哋唯一嘅分別，就係究竟應該用咩方法搵出事實真相。」她指，監警會2個月來加強了透明度，亦邀請了海外專家加入，社會應等待監警會完成調查工作後，再看看是否大眾可接受的事實。
一名中年女士發言時，以「林女士」稱呼林鄭月娥。她指，事件發生至今已過了100天，由最初要求撤回修例到如今擴展到對政府施政、監警會無能、警察濫用職權等不滿，是因為林鄭漠視民意、管治無能，「你同我聽清楚，成場運動走到今日，最大責任嗰個係你！你必須下台！」她要求林鄭不要轉移視線，將政府的施政失誤，推諉到通識教育、房屋、年輕人身上。她又說，前特首董建華及梁振英均獲出席北京的70周年的國慶慶典，「唯獨你一個冇份去，你知唔知點解呀？係因為你搞到成個香港天怒人怨，習主席都恥與你為伍！」
有發言者批評，對話限制每人發言3分鐘，「你同政商界會否限3分鐘？你對大家都唔係一視同仁。」林鄭回應指，她很願意互動，建議如參加者有興趣，可以報名一些「深度對話」，惟需要閉門，因為當深度對話時，許多人都不願意公開。
林鄭又說：「我喺競選期間曾經有句口號係同行『We Connect』，兩年落嚟我喺呢度做得唔好，不但是有人形容係『disconnect』，甚至有啲離地，我知道嘅，所以希望能夠可以改善。」她又指與班子「聽得唔夠」，所以行動予人感覺一意孤行，希望市民理解她及班子對香港社會的關心仍在，「只要有一個機會，我哋會透過保持着對香港社會嘅關心，聽多啲，用心去聽，唔好等有啲事浮晒上面，我哋先知道嗰件事喺社會，原來觸碰咗一啲市民內心的感受，所以呢個工作喺未來嘅日子一定會好努力做。」
另一名身穿紅衣、稱育有3名子女的中年男子，同樣以「林女士」稱呼林鄭。他說自己是和理非，批評林鄭以警察解決政治問題，又問林鄭是否明白未來可能會有前線的人命傷亡。林鄭回應指：「我每日都好擔心，所以我哋優先去做就係要停止呢啲暴力。」該男子繼續說：「你就好似我老婆咁啦，煮咗碟嘢，就話我呢碟嘢好好食、你食啦，其實我真係唔係幾鍾意食。」他說，有參與200萬人大遊行，「而家件事去到咁嘅地步，係你話俾我哋聽和平咁行出嚟，就算200萬人都解決唔到件事。」他又提到，他身邊有能力、有下一代的人，97%都正打算移民或者正辦理移民，林鄭要正視問題。
在30名發言者中，只有少數人指事件為「暴動」，或批評示威者。一名中年女子說，希望成立獨立調查委員會，「調查今次暴動背後嘅原因，如果有議員參與，應該停職調查。」她說警察有做得不合理之處，但不應只針對警察。她又指，教育局局長應該被問責，「放任辱國言論及行為，要恢復中史教育，另外通識科內容應該受監管。」她又稱，新聞處處長應就假記者泛濫、抹黑政府及執法部門等問責，應監管記者發牌，又點名指：「尤其係香港電台，『出政府糧、反政府』，應該由內向外、完全重整，做官方頻道應該做的東西。」
對話和平舉行，結束後，出席者高呼：「光復香港，時代革命」、「五大訴求，缺一不可」、「香港人加油」，林鄭在吶喊聲中離開。
Middle-aged and Li Fei at home, police violently advocated independent investigation Lin Zheng repeated police, said no longer use Xinwuling
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The Chief Executive, Mrs Carrie Lam, held the first community dialogue at the Queen Elizabeth Stadium in Wan Chai last night. 20,000 people signed up for 150 participants (some people did not attend). Most of the 30 speakers were middle-aged. Most people mentioned As regards police-related issues, some people concerned about the situation of the arrested persons entering the Xinwuling detention center and demanding greater transparency. Lin Zheng said that it was passed with the police. In view of the public's concern about the operation of Xinwuling, as far as she knows, the police are no longer using the Xinwuling detention center. The police will focus on whether there are many accusations in Xinwuling. thing.
A number of speakers requested the establishment of an independent investigation committee, but Lin Zheng only repeated the previous statement, saying that it would be handled by the IPCC. Many people say that they are right and wrong, "the five major demands are indispensable." Lin Zheng also reiterated: "Some of the five appeals are really unacceptable. We must not pursue them and release all those arrested. This will have the greatest impact on the rule of law society in Hong Kong." Some people criticized Lin Zheng. To be accountable, Lin Zheng said that she agreed to be responsible as the Chief Executive; but when some people questioned why no officials were responsible, Lin Zheng did not respond.
After the conversation ended at 9 o'clock in the evening, the crowd outside the scene asked to see Lin Zheng. Lin Zheng finally stayed in the Iraqi Pavilion for more than three hours. At 1:30 in the morning, he stepped on the car and left under the police.
The dialogue was held at the Iraqi Pavilion from 7 to 9 pm last night. At 5 pm, a number of police officers were on the door. Before entering the market, reporters must first queue up in the underground lobby, and then queue up for security screening. The reporter must put all the items and equipment on the basket and pass the X-ray machine inspection. The staff also asked the reporter to open the bag to view, and then the reporter put the helmet, pig's mouth, bones, water and other items into a large plastic bag. Get back when you are leaving.
On the side of the stage, the center of the stage placed five chairs for the officials of Lin Zhenghe. The seats of the participants were surrounded by three sides in front; a large timer was placed on each side of the seat. More than 100 reporters stood outside the fence and set up cameras. The moderator of the dialogue was the Political Assistant to the Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs, and former TVB reporter Wu Yijun. He announced that 5 people had already entered the exhibition five minutes before the start. There were about 20 empty chairs in the back row. There are about 20 police officers wearing suits and earphones, mainly standing on the sides of the officials, and several police officers are sitting in the front row of each seat. Nearly 20 police officers waited on the side of the channel.
At 7 pm, Mrs Lam and the Secretary for Home Affairs, Mr Peter Liu, the Secretary for Food and Health, Mr Chan Yi-kwai, the Secretary for Commerce and Economic Development, Mr Edward Yau, and the Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs, Mr Nie Tak-yiu, appeared together. However, in the entire dialogue meeting, except for Nie Dequan’s speech, the other three did not speak. Lin Zheng first said that some people said that this is a public relations slogan. She understands everyone's reaction. Because in the past few days, the public's confidence in the government and her has dropped a lot, but it means that no matter how difficult it is, we should start direct dialogue.
The conference draws the speakers in the form of on-site lottery, each speaking for 3 minutes and withdrawing 6 people per round. The officials responded after a round of questions, and finally took out 5 rounds and 30 people. Some of the participants wore masks, and the young people were not too many. Most of the speakers were middle-aged, and many of them claimed to be right.
Most people mentioned the problem of police violence and over-the-counter. Many people also called for the establishment of an independent investigation committee. Lin Zheng responded that the rule of law is the core value of Hong Kong. Even law enforcement agencies must abide by the law. Therefore, the government's support for law enforcement agencies does not mean that they are not allowed to abide by the law. No matter who breaks the law, the government will treat them equally. As for the establishment of an independent investigation committee, Lin Zheng said that the Government is not opposed to understanding the truth. "The only difference is that I should use the embarrassing method to find out the truth." She said that the IPCC has strengthened its transparency for two months. Overseas experts have been invited to join, and the society should wait for the police to complete the investigation and then see if the public can accept the facts.
When a middle-aged woman spoke, she called Lin Zhengyue as "Ms. Lin". She said that the incident has passed 100 days, from the initial request for the withdrawal of the amendment to the current expansion to the government's administration, the incompetence of the police, the police abuse of power and other dissatisfaction, because Lin Zheng ignores public opinion, governance incompetence, "you I heard it clearly, the stadium movement has come to this day, the biggest responsibility is to tie you! You must step down!" She asked Lin Zheng not to divert her attention and push the government's administrative mistakes to general education, housing, and young people. She added that the former Chief Executive Tung Chee-hwa and Leung Chun-ying were both present at the National Day Celebration of the 70th Anniversary of Beijing. "Only you are a part of it. Do you know what you know? Because you got into a Hong Kong anger, President Xi Shame is with you!"
Some speakers criticized the dialogue and restricted each person to speak for 3 minutes. "Will you have a three-minute relationship with the political and business community? You are the same for everyone." Lin Zheng responded that she is willing to interact and suggest that if the participants are interested, You can sign up for some "deep conversations", but you need to close your doors, because when you have a deep conversation, many people are not willing to open up.
Lin Zheng added: "I used to have a slogan "We Connect" during the campaign. I have done a good job in the past two years. Not only did someone describe the "disconnect", but even the ground, I Knowing the generosity, I hope that it can be improved." She also said that she was "sounding enough" with the team. Therefore, the action has made people feel bent. I hope that the public will understand that her and her team are still concerned about the Hong Kong society. "As long as there is an opportunity, I will I will maintain my concern for the Hong Kong community, listen to it, listen carefully, and wait until there is something wrong with it. I will know what it is like to be in the society. I have touched the feelings of the people inside. Therefore, a job will definitely work hard in the future."
Another middle-aged man in a red dress who is known to have three children is also called Lin Zheng by Ms. Lin. He said that he was right and wrong, criticized Lin Zheng for solving the political problems with the police, and asked Lin Zheng whether he might have a frontline casualty. Lin Zheng responded by saying: "I am worried every day, so I will give priority to doing it and stop it." The man continued to say, "You are like my wife, smashing a dish, just say me." The dish is good, you eat, in fact, I really want to eat a few times." He said that there are 2 million people participating in the parade. "When the family goes to the generosity, I will listen to you and listen to peace." If you go out, even 2 million people will solve the problem." He also mentioned that 97% of the people with the ability and the next generation are planning to immigrate or apply for immigration. Lin Zheng must face up to the problem.
Of the 30 speakers, only a few cited the incident as a "riot" or criticized the demonstrators. A middle-aged woman said that she hopes to set up an independent investigation committee. "Investigate the reasons behind the riots. If there are Members involved, they should stop investigating." She said that the police did not do anything reasonable, but it should not only target the police. She also pointed out that the Secretary for Education should be held accountable. "Indulgence of state speech and behavior, the restoration of Chinese history education, and the content of the General Studies should be regulated." She also said that the Director of the Information Service should flood the fake journalists. To discredit the government and law enforcement departments and other accountability, they should supervise the issue of journalists and name them: "Especially for RTHK, "going out of government food, anti-government" should be done from the inside out, completely reorganized, and what the official channel should do. ."
After the dialogue was held peacefully, the attendees shouted: "Recovering Hong Kong, the revolution of the times", "Five major demands, all indispensable", "Hong Kong people cheering", Lin Zheng left in the shouts.
