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Experts say new Cross Island MRT line will cost $41 billion, LTA say don't know.

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Extra $2bn for Cross Island Line to skirt nature reserve likely to be fraction of total cost: Experts

The additional $2 billion that will be incurred by building the proposed Cross Island Line around the Central Catchment Nature Reserve instead of across it is likely to be a fraction of the total cost of the MRT project.

The Land Transport Authority (LTA), which had given the $2 billion figure in response to proposals for the line to skirt around the nature reserve, said yesterday it is unable to estimate the total cost of the 50km Cross Island Line as studies on the entire line have not been completed.

But industry experts estimate that the cost of the project could be as much as $40.7 billion.




EASING CONGESTION

Routing around the reserve to pick up more commuters along the way would certainly help ease road traffic congestion and sardine-packed train conditions.

This is based in part on calculations for past and ongoing MRT projects, which show that each kilometre of MRT tunnel costs about $350 million to $400 million to design and build.

Costs could go up by 25 per cent if eight-car trains are used, compared with the three- or six-car trains used currently.

The introduction of an express service, among other things, could also increase costs by up to 40 per cent owing to the need to build an additional track.

So the extra $2 billion for building the Cross Island Line around the nature reserve could work out to less than 5 per cent of the total cost of the project.

Nature groups had earlier raised concerns that construction work on the Cross Island Line, expected to stretch from Changi to Jurong, would have a negative impact on the Central Catchment Nature Reserve, Singapore's largest nature reserve. This is especially so if the line cuts across the nature reserve instead of skirting around it.

Having the Cross Island Line cut through the nature reserve involves building a 2km tunnel approximately 40m deep beneath the nature reserve's MacRitchie area. There would be no physical structures on the surface level.

Some members of the public The Straits Times spoke to felt that the additional cost was justified if it helped ease Singapore's transport crunch.

Those who have proposed routing the Cross Island Line round the reserve said the line would serve residents in the area and avoid disrupting the flora and fauna in the reserve.

Dr Vilma D'Rozario, an associate professor at the National Institute of Education, said: "Routing around the reserve to pick up more commuters along the way would certainly help ease road traffic congestion and sardine-packed train conditions."

Financial consultant Johnson Long, 70, believes that the additional cost can be recouped with increased ridership over the years.

Residents who live in the estates that could be affected by the skirting alignment have voiced concerns that their homes would be acquired by the state for the building of the line.

Mr Anthony Oei, 82, who has lived in Yew Lian Park for more than 50 years, questioned the need to divert the line.

"Will we have to give way to wildlife?" he asked.

Others said the possible environmental impact of the line going through the reserve should not be ignored.

Commenting on some suggestions thrown up by the public, a spokesman for the LTA said it is not possible for the stretch of Cross Island Line in question to run under Upper Thomson Road, which is near the nature reserve, owing to limited space caused by construction work on the upcoming Thomson-East Coast Line.
 
Yeah what's one-time spending of 2 billions to serve more residents and don't disturb the plants? Anyway better spend on infrastructure than frivolously on foreigners integration.

"Some members of the public The Straits Times spoke to felt that the additional cost was justified if it helped ease Singapore's transport crunch.

Those who have proposed routing the Cross Island Line round the reserve said the line would serve residents in the area and avoid disrupting the flora and fauna in the reserve."
 
knn S$40,700,000,000.00 and don't tell me there is no corruption?
 
For $41 billion even LKY would expect his share of extra eggs, if he was still around ;)

We're entering a recession should the PAP gov't be spending all this money?
 
For $41 billion even LKY would expect his share of extra eggs, if he was still around ;)

We're entering a recession should the PAP gov't be spending all this money?

Of course not. They are planning this because the population increase to 6.9 million is confirmed and they need to boost the capacity of the MRT. Once its 6.9 million, only half of the riders will be singaporeans. The rest are FTs. So, build a MRT line for $41 billion, so that only half of it is used by singaporeans?
 
die die must dig because it can spend tax dollars, provide jobs, keep contractors busy, and help grow gdp during slim years. ;)
 
40 billion wtf,thats like nearly 20 percent of our national reserves.all for a stupid mrt line less than 20km long?do they know how it cost to build high speed railways in china?only 17 million per km.

is half the 40 billion going to LTA for land cost?

40 billion can give every singapore citizen $10,000 gst voucher....just give us the fucking money we will travel around by bicycle.where is the welfare for singaporeans?????
 
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Of course not. They are planning this because the population increase to 6.9 million is confirmed and they need to boost the capacity of the MRT. Once its 6.9 million, only half of the riders will be singaporeans. The rest are FTs. So, build a MRT line for $41 billion, so that only half of it is used by singaporeans?


So in other words all this $$$ is being spent for the benefit of foreigners:confused:
 
die die must dig because it can spend tax dollars, provide jobs, keep contractors busy, and help grow gdp during slim years. ;)

How many Sporeans do you know who are in the construction business:confused: Many of the construction projects are being done by Chinese & Korean companies who use cheap foreign labour.

So it might benefit the GDP data but not help Sporeans who need jobs.
 
How many Sporeans do you know who are in the construction business:confused: Many of the construction projects are being done by Chinese & Korean companies who use cheap foreign labour.

So it might benefit the GDP data but not help Sporeans who need jobs.

trickle down economics. someone at the bottom of the food chain, and hopefully ah seng or ah huat tile distributor or ah mah or ah por cardboard collection enterprise, will get some scraps. :p
 
How many Sporeans do you know who are in the construction business:confused: Many of the construction projects are being done by Chinese & Korean companies who use cheap foreign labour.

So it might benefit the GDP data but not help Sporeans who need jobs.

Yeah, that's the part that is so bullshit. Tunneling has been going on for 30 years, starting with the original MRT lines and other projects. Till now, our local construction companies still do not have the expertise to do it themselves? WTF? I imagine when China first opened up to the world, they used Hong Kong and Foreign construction companies for many of the high rise, roads, bridges, and tunnel projects. But now, they are all doing it themselves. Some of the biggest construction companies in the world are China companies and they are hiring chinese engineers trained in the US. I don't know why we can't do it here. The fucking PAP should have restricted the work permits of all these foreign companies hence forcing the local construction and engineering companies to develop local talents. Cheebye Gay Loong, dumb like shit.
 
trickle down economics. someone at the bottom of the food chain, and hopefully ah seng or ah huat tile distributor or ah mah or ah por cardboard collection enterprise, will get some scraps. :p

trickle down bullshit,in the capitalism pyramid wealth flows upwards and bullshit flows down.the masses only serves to make the top/elite rich.

shit one day i hope to be one of the member of the top of the pyramid,what they call a true capitalist.
 
The truth is that the line will cost more ... that why's LTA say they don't know if it is going to cost only $41M.
 
trickle down economics. someone at the bottom of the food chain, and hopefully ah seng or ah huat tile distributor or ah mah or ah por cardboard collection enterprise, will get some scraps. :p

That is none of it goes as donation to well-wishers.
 
Yeah, that's the part that is so bullshit. Tunneling has been going on for 30 years, starting with the original MRT lines and other projects. Till now, our local construction companies still do not have the expertise to do it themselves? WTF? I imagine when China first opened up to the world, they used Hong Kong and Foreign construction companies for many of the high rise, roads, bridges, and tunnel projects. But now, they are all doing it themselves. Some of the biggest construction companies in the world are China companies and they are hiring chinese engineers trained in the US. I don't know why we can't do it here. The fucking PAP should have restricted the work permits of all these foreign companies hence forcing the local construction and engineering companies to develop local talents. Cheebye Gay Loong, dumb like shit.

just like how our casinos has to be build by outsiders,operated by outsiders,owned by outsiders.....two of our biggest cash cows generating over 1 percent of our gdp and the government hands it over to foreigners,are they dumb or what?do they know why steve wynn,sheldon adelson and the founder of genting highlands Lim goh tong are the richest people in the world?this government is too lazy to do any of the work and take any of the risk,they are just happy to sit back and collect a tiny slice of the profits.

im so curious what exactly is SIngapore?some kind of parking space or rental space cum tax shelter for foreign companies to park their operations here?why cant we copy what they are doing and replicate the results for ourselves?why cant we produce the same goods and services and generate our own growth for our economy?is singapore a failure at creating startups and businesses and capitalism?instead we have to wait for foreigners to come here and set up businesses and leech off our government subsidies and grants and taxpayers monies.
 
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trickle down bullshit,in the capitalism pyramid wealth flows upwards and bullshit flows down.the masses only serves to make the top/elite rich.

shit one day i hope to be one of the member of the top of the pyramid,what they call a true capitalist.

imagine the accumulation of wealth if you win the contract to clean up all the toilets - hire cheap foreign trash to clean up shitholes, as towkay visit geylang everyday to bang cuntholes, and as pap porlumpar attend golf events to discuss business over 18 holes. :p
 
trickle down bullshit,in the capitalism pyramid wealth flows upwards and bullshit flows down.the masses only serves to make the top/elite rich.

shit one day i hope to be one of the member of the top of the pyramid,what they call a true capitalist.

Why don't you marry Lee Wei Ling, you don't have to wait for one day. Next week, you will already be top of the pyramid if you marry her.
 
Why don't you marry Lee Wei Ling, you don't have to wait for one day. Next week, you will already be top of the pyramid if you marry her.

looks like i now have some competition. am sure ah french more handsome so i no chance.
 
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