Reason behind Thailand Unstabilities

[Sideswipe]

Thaksin is a good leader.

Thailand with Thaksin PM is peaceful compared to now.
Manchester City with Thaksin Chairman play better, more EPL points compared to now.

Thaksin forever!!

 

[eErotica69]

Bros..are you saying that all royalty in the shall be demolished now..incuding Britain, malausia...bcos they did nothing....
There is a perpectual covenent when the royal hand over the administration of the affair to the people by a chosen electorates...bue the royalty still hold the ultimate control of appointment of the selected government..
look around the world..you can see all kind of despots ,tyrants who were initially elected by the people , and then deterioted into actrocious tyrant and dictator...IDI AMIN, Junta in Mymmar..Moa Tse Dong..Mugabe....
you have chosen to ignore the fact that Thalsin had commited tax evasion, corruption and feared to return to face trial........
If Britain refuse political asylum for him...being one of the law-abiding countries and democratic country,,,Britain must have known that there were good evidence of the corruption charge ..Thaksin is just playing the game of political asylum to evade his corruption charge..
He use the peoples money to buy votes in the north..by giving minutes load to the farmers..to buy loyalty...
Can Thaksin overthow a established royalty with a few hundreds years ,,especially king Bumibol were such a extremely loved and respected king...the princess had done so much of charity and care for the extreme poor...
Thaksin had no respect for the royalty to the royalty..and he forget that thailand is called the KINGDOM OF THAI...not the republic of Thais..maybe he want to be the first corrupted president of Thailands...
Just study the history of thailand....the Thais are very cohesive people and the royalty had been the nexus of gravity of the Thais...as the royal had fought with their lives over the century to protect the Thai people from the many invasions of the Cambodian, Nymmese who were many a times stronger than the thais...it was a historical bondages..not sometime a corrupted civilian leader called Thaksin can replaced and changed.......if you got any Thai friends ,,ask them about their histories and royalty..then you will understand..

1. The Myanmar Junta, Idi Amin and Mao are elected leaders? How come I didn't know? Myanmar Junta and Idi Amin seize power by military force. Isn't it the same for the Thai Junta and their selected Government?

2.Thaksin charged and face trial for corruption? By whom? By the legal team and judges appointed by the Military Junta that overthrew him in a military cop when he was the elected PM?

3. He bought votes by paying farmers? So easy, then why previous Governments never do that and continue to win? Maybe there was vote buying, but surely his policies benefitted the rural poor when all the previous Thai Governments never gave a damn about rural poor!

4. Agree with you. Thaksin can never overthrow the King and Crown Princess. But in the first place, who told you he wanted to do so, the PAD?

5. Thai cohesive and respect Royalty? I beg to differ in today's context. Yes they respect the King and Crown Princess because they have done many good for the Kingdom and are well loved. Not because he is King or she is Princess! If can't say the same for the Crown Prince though! Again, who told you so, Sondhi or Sonthi?

6. Basic question, who are your Thai friends? The urban middle class in Bangkok?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Well said...but I trust you shall not say such things in LOS

If what you say is true, why would the Crown Prince be worried? The Thais would respect him the way they do his father.

The reality is the Thais don't respect him the way they do his father for whom many Thais have said to me they would willingly lay down their lives. King B cannot however rise about his familial concerns. He is the one orchestrating the unseating of Thaksin the one person with the popular clout to relegate his son to a marginal status or worse still abolish the monarchy. Can't be done? Think Nepal.

This truly is the sad thing about rule by familial ties.

 

[johnny333]

how can Thaksin ever want to be LKY...Thaksin is so corrupted.......

LKY got more experience lah. LKY & family & cronies are getting millions Leegally from the state for doing what?

Thaksin has to struggle for his millions. His wife has been convicted for tax evasion & is on the run. While Mrs. Lee is living comfortably at home covered by unlimited health insurance, doesn't have to pay any taxes, has a private security force paid by the public.

Don't forget about LKY Jr, with his illness which company would hire someone with cancer? His incompetent wife wouldn't even have a job without the Lee connection.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Although Princess Maha appears to have the people's support I gather she ain't very clever and wily unlike her daddy...me thinks the thai monarchy shall probably die when Bhumi passes on

1. 4. Agree with you. Thaksin can never overthrow the King and Crown Princess. But in the first place, who told you he wanted to do so, the PAD?

5. Thai cohesive and respect Royalty? I beg to differ in today's context. Yes they respect the King and Crown Princess because they have done many good for the Kingdom and are well loved. Not because he is King or she is Princess! If can't say the same for the Crown Prince though! Again, who told you so, Sondhi or Sonthi?

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[kensington]

Although Princess Maha appears to have the people's support I gather she ain't very clever and wily unlike her daddy...me thinks the thai monarchy shall probably die when Bhumi passes on

You were right on all counts and when the old man dies, he won't die a contented man as a lot of his shitty dealings in the past has resurfaced thanks to the cyber world.The last straw was his involvement in the coup of 2006, and thanks again to the internet, a lot of his perfidies towards his own people had been exposed.Never in their 200+ years history, their monarch been scrutised as such.The rejuvenation of the anti monarchists linked to the students demonstration in 76 has a hand in this.

The King B isn't as highly regarded as even 5 years ago.

There aws also a prophecy that there won't be a Rama 10.

Part of the reason why he changed the Succession Law was to enable the Crown Princess Sirindhorn to ascend the throne.

There will be civil wars between the the siblings but the princess will have the upper hand over her brother as the Army Generals are mostly on her side.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Oh yes, the Thammasat spirit of 76..."The King Never Smiles" by Paul Handley was perhaps the precursor

You were right on all counts and when the old man dies, he won't die a contented man as a lot of his shitty dealings in the past has resurfaced thanks to the cyber world.The last straw was his involvement in the coup of 2006, and thanks again to the internet, a lot of his perfidies towards his own people had been exposed.Never in their 200+ years history, their monarch been scrutised as such.The rejuvenation of the anti monarchists linked to the students demonstration in 76 has a hand in this.

The King B isn't as highly regarded as even 5 years ago.

There aws also a prophecy that there won't be a Rama 10.

Part of the reason why he changed the Succession Law was to enable the Crown Princess Sirindhorn to ascend the throne.

There will be civil wars between the the siblings but the princess will have the upper hand over her brother as the Army Generals are mostly on her side.

 

[SamuelStalin]

If what you say is true, why would the Crown Prince be worried? The Thais would respect him the way they do his father.

The reality is the Thais don't respect him the way they do his father for whom many Thais have said to me they would willingly lay down their lives. King B cannot however rise about his familial concerns. He is the one orchestrating the unseating of Thaksin the one person with the popular clout to relegate his son to a marginal status or worse still abolish the monarchy. Can't be done? Think Nepal.

This truly is the sad thing about rule by familial ties.

It is not sad at all, just normal. Even despots and anarchists with no hereditary divine right like Marcos and Pol Pot also ruled by all means possible.

Please promise me you would make it a point to life to exercise a more lateral form of thinking from now on.

 

[kensington]

Oh yes, the Thammasat spirit of 76..."The King Never Smiles" by Paul Handley was perhaps the precursor

Yes, partly that.....But the removal of Thaksin acted as a catalyst and Thaksin ability to reach out to the simple rural folks really touched a chord here.One conclusion: The King is against modernising and the uplifting of his poorest subjects' standard of living.

The King's implicit and explicit moves were laid out bare to the people to judge.

Paul Handley's book is banned in Thailand and could not have influence the Thai societies as such but the uproars over the lese majeste law has been an awakening of sort to the ordinary folks.

Suddenly, people from all walks of life were interested in his kingly's faults and tongues started to wag and more and more formerly "unprintables" articles began to come out in the open.

This king:

grew in stature under the corrupt military dictators: Sarit, Tanom and Prapass;

allowed innocent people to be executed after they were falsely accused of killing his older brother;

supported the blood bath at Thammasart University on October 6, 1976, because he felt that Thailand had "too much democracy". He was also the patron of the violent gang that were called the "village scouts";

allowed the army to stage a coup in September 2006. Furthermore he allowed his name to be used by the army, the PAD protestors and the Democrat Party, in the destruction of democracy;

has been an advocate of economic views which reveal his opposition to state social welfare for the poor. But what is worse, as one of the richest men in the world, the king has the arrogance to lecture the poor to be sufficient in their poverty (through the notion of the ``Sufficiency Economy'');

finally, this king allows his supporters to proclaim that he is "the father of the nation", and yet his own son is not respected by anyone in Thai society!

http://wdpress.blog.co.uk/2009/02/10/red-siam-manifesto-3649-3606-3621-3591-3585-3634-3619-3603-3660-3626-3618-3634-3617-3649-3604-5543333/comment_ID/9096469/comment_level/1/#c9096469

 

[SamuelStalin]

should understand the dangers of promises from an oppurtunist.

But how does one know if another is an opportunist? That is the real question.

 

[SamuelStalin]

Bros..are you saying that all royalty in the shall be demolished now..incuding Britain, malausia...bcos they did nothing....
There is a perpectual covenent when the royal hand over the administration of the affair to the people by a chosen electorates...bue the royalty still hold the ultimate control of appointment of the selected government..
look around the world..you can see all kind of despots ,tyrants who were initially elected by the people , and then deterioted into actrocious tyrant and dictator...IDI AMIN, Junta in Mymmar..Moa Tse Dong..Mugabe....
you have chosen to ignore the fact that Thalsin had commited tax evasion, corruption and feared to return to face trial........
If Britain refuse political asylum for him...being one of the law-abiding countries and democratic country,,,Britain must have known that there were good evidence of the corruption charge ..Thaksin is just playing the game of political asylum to evade his corruption charge..
He use the peoples money to buy votes in the north..by giving minutes load to the farmers..to buy loyalty...
Can Thaksin overthow a established royalty with a few hundreds years ,,especially king Bumibol were such a extremely loved and respected king...the princess had done so much of charity and care for the extreme poor...
Thaksin had no respect for the royalty to the royalty..and he forget that thailand is called the KINGDOM OF THAI...not the republic of Thais..maybe he want to be the first corrupted president of Thailands...
Just study the history of thailand....the Thais are very cohesive people and the royalty had been the nexus of gravity of the Thais...as the royal had fought with their lives over the century to protect the Thai people from the many invasions of the Cambodian, Nymmese who were many a times stronger than the thais...it was a historical bondages..not sometime a corrupted civilian leader called Thaksin can replaced and changed.......if you got any Thai friends ,,ask them about their histories and royalty..then you will understand..

Exactly. In the end whether a people would be ruled by a power monger is their collective destiny - if they are destined to be ruled that way it shall be, whether the power monger is elected or has the hereditary right to rule.

This is something these stupid people here and out there don't understand much less appreciate.

 

[TeeKee]

The Crown Prince of Thailand is worried when ex premier Tharksin is the government. He knows very well that Thaksin does not support him and had no respect for the Royal family. His way to the throne is being threaten if Tharksin is in control of Thailand

no lah! u got it all wrong..

tharksin was democractically elected govt.

no thanks to LKY Temasek holdings, who made him very greedy, he avoid taxes for the telecoms deals.

in the end, he got forced out of govt by the military regime.

now people who supported tharksin not happy with the current govt.

were they elected?

so the triggering factor for such a mess in thailand, the old man has some part to play in it..

 

[SamuelStalin]

Hmm, possible.

Although Princess Maha appears to have the people's support I gather she ain't very clever and wily unlike her daddy...me thinks the thai monarchy shall probably die when Bhumi passes on

 

[TeeKee]

Democracy will not work in south east asia. Best stick to monarchies, iron-fisted dictatorships, communism and/or some radical religon.
Remember human civilisation began in the temperate belt so that we northerners can come to the tropics for summer holiday.

you enjoyed S&M?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Thailand: Strategy
Political mess or transformation?

It will be wrong to call the ongoing political developments in Thailand as a
mess. A real political movement is ongoing in Thailand. The big question is
how Thaksin and his red shirt protesters are able to paint the town red. The
recent rally started on 26 March with an estimated 10,000 protesters during
weekdays to 20,000-30,000 during weekends. The 3-day big rally during 8-
10 April managed to gather close to 150,000 protesters on the first day. More
and more red shirts are joining. Why are the red shirts out and protesting?

Thanksin and the red shirt leaders have succeeded in the following:
There is no true democracy in Thailand. The country is being ruled by
the "amatayathippatai" or what political scientists have tried to translate
into English as "bureaucratic polity", the elite class which include the
bureaucrats, the judiciary and the military. The parliamentary system is
only a lame duck system with no real control. The red shirts want to
abolish this "amatayathippatai" system.

The bureaucratic polity has made sure that the parliamentary system
remains weak in Thailand via several small parties, so that no existing
party is too powerful to disturb the existing system.

The grassroots people are convinced that the existing system has
stunted political and economic growth in Thailand. Grassroots
grievances are related to their lack of opportunities. They have been
poor in the past and remain poor and deeply in debt till today. Their
children are not given opportunities to do better in life because of the
existing system that favour the well-to-do.

The existing system is flawed as it has led to 18 coups and 18
constitutions for Thailand. Only one government in Thailand's 77 years
of history of constitutional democracy has served a full four-year term.
On the other hand, the existing elite class believes that Thaksin-style
capitalist democracy is also not a true a democracy, since politicians through
corruption enhanced their own wealth at the expense of the people and the
country's resources.

According to several political scientists, to a certain extent, the red shirt
claims are genuine while the opponents and skeptics do no good by not
respecting and recognising their claims. These opponents call the red shirt
claims gullible, stupid or just pure financial opportunism. These political
scientists believe that a compromise must be made between the two groups
and grievances from both sides must be addressed or else Thailand will go
down either of the following paths: Myanmar's military dictatorship, the
Philippines, whose periodic people's power movements do not bring about
either political stability or economic growth, and last and least of all, the case
of Nepal.

 

[SamuelStalin]

Thai Revolution next?

Thailand: Strategy
Political mess or transformation?

It will be wrong to call the ongoing political developments in Thailand as a
mess. A real political movement is ongoing in Thailand. The big question is
how Thaksin and his red shirt protesters are able to paint the town red. The
recent rally started on 26 March with an estimated 10,000 protesters during
weekdays to 20,000-30,000 during weekends. The 3-day big rally during 8-
10 April managed to gather close to 150,000 protesters on the first day. More
and more red shirts are joining. Why are the red shirts out and protesting?

Thanksin and the red shirt leaders have succeeded in the following:
There is no true democracy in Thailand. The country is being ruled by
the "amatayathippatai" or what political scientists have tried to translate
into English as "bureaucratic polity", the elite class which include the
bureaucrats, the judiciary and the military. The parliamentary system is
only a lame duck system with no real control. The red shirts want to
abolish this "amatayathippatai" system.

The bureaucratic polity has made sure that the parliamentary system
remains weak in Thailand via several small parties, so that no existing
party is too powerful to disturb the existing system.

The grassroots people are convinced that the existing system has
stunted political and economic growth in Thailand. Grassroots
grievances are related to their lack of opportunities. They have been
poor in the past and remain poor and deeply in debt till today. Their
children are not given opportunities to do better in life because of the
existing system that favour the well-to-do.

The existing system is flawed as it has led to 18 coups and 18
constitutions for Thailand. Only one government in Thailand's 77 years
of history of constitutional democracy has served a full four-year term.
On the other hand, the existing elite class believes that Thaksin-style
capitalist democracy is also not a true a democracy, since politicians through
corruption enhanced their own wealth at the expense of the people and the
country's resources.

According to several political scientists, to a certain extent, the red shirt
claims are genuine while the opponents and skeptics do no good by not
respecting and recognising their claims. These opponents call the red shirt
claims gullible, stupid or just pure financial opportunism. These political
scientists believe that a compromise must be made between the two groups
and grievances from both sides must be addressed or else Thailand will go
down either of the following paths: Myanmar's military dictatorship, the
Philippines, whose periodic people's power movements do not bring about
either political stability or economic growth, and last and least of all, the case
of Nepal.

 

[SamuelStalin]

Well Poritburo Rabbitrose it is inconceivable that you are a democrat extremist. How many stupid people like you also radically subscribe to this stupid Western idea seriously.

 

[fukyuman]

Although well put forth, you are generalizing. Did the Nepalese Royals did any good until the people overthrew them.

King Bhumibol never laid the foundation for his successor. Instead he had so much plastic surgery to maintain his youth while already a dried up shell. The elites fear their privileges will be lost. Thaksin turn Thailand around and ask IMF to fuxxk off. No wonder Britain turn their backs. Just like when they abandoned Singapore to the Japs and withdrew their armed forces when we achieved independence and were vulnerable.

The generals engineered terrorism in the south and even started border wars with Cambodia. They even allowed demonstrators to close down the airports, saying their wives are among the demonstrators. Thaksin should line them up and have them publicly shot or send them to Somalia on piracy patrols.

The Thai people are not so stupid. They have been cowed by the PAD for too long. For years they have to endure wearing yellow T shirts and put up their nonsense.

We should not demonize Thaksin when the Generals and Royalists are even worst. I was injured in Phuket and was treated at Thai public hospitals. At least it is affordable for many poor people.

Save your vitriol for the current Leegime. They really know no shame and Singaporeans are too stupid to ignore that and pontificate on Thailand political destiny instead.

Bros..are you saying that all royalty in the shall be demolished now..incuding Britain, malausia...bcos they did nothing....
There is a perpectual covenent when the royal hand over the administration of the affair to the people by a chosen electorates...bue the royalty still hold the ultimate control of appointment of the selected government..
look around the world..you can see all kind of despots ,tyrants who were initially elected by the people , and then deterioted into actrocious tyrant and dictator...IDI AMIN, Junta in Mymmar..Moa Tse Dong..Mugabe....
you have chosen to ignore the fact that Thalsin had commited tax evasion, corruption and feared to return to face trial........
If Britain refuse political asylum for him...being one of the law-abiding countries and democratic country,,,Britain must have known that there were good evidence of the corruption charge ..Thaksin is just playing the game of political asylum to evade his corruption charge..
He use the peoples money to buy votes in the north..by giving minutes load to the farmers..to buy loyalty...
Can Thaksin overthow a established royalty with a few hundreds years ,,especially king Bumibol were such a extremely loved and respected king...the princess had done so much of charity and care for the extreme poor...
Thaksin had no respect for the royalty to the royalty..and he forget that thailand is called the KINGDOM OF THAI...not the republic of Thais..maybe he want to be the first corrupted president of Thailands...
Just study the history of thailand....the Thais are very cohesive people and the royalty had been the nexus of gravity of the Thais...as the royal had fought with their lives over the century to protect the Thai people from the many invasions of the Cambodian, Nymmese who were many a times stronger than the thais...it was a historical bondages..not sometime a corrupted civilian leader called Thaksin can replaced and changed.......if you got any Thai friends ,,ask them about their histories and royalty..then you will understand..

 

[SamuelStalin]

Thaksin turn Thailand around and ask IMF to fuxxk off.

Nothing wrong with that. Mahathir also did the same (he issued currency controls that worked despite people downplaying his sense of economics) while Anwar is pro-foreign intervention. Singapore also did not require any IMF assistance.

It is said that most countries that receive help from the IMF never recover, and Indonesia appears to be one of them too.

 

[miosux]

Democracy will not work in south east asia. Best stick to monarchies, iron-fisted dictatorships, communism and/or some radical religon.
Remember human civilisation began in the temperate belt so that we northerners can come to the tropics for summer holiday.

what an ignorant bigot you are. indonesia is a bigger democracy than any individual country in europe. just goes to show how dumb whites are, go back to your trailer park.