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Will SAF turn and run like the US trained and equipped Iraqi Army?

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The extent of the Iraqi army's defeat at the hands of militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Isis) became clear on Wednesday when officials in Baghdad conceded that insurgents had stripped the main army base in the northern city of Mosul of weapons, released hundreds of prisoners from the city's jails and may have seized up to $480m in banknotes from the city's banks.

Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers – roughly 30,000 men – simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters. Isis extremists roamed freely on Wednesday through the streets of Mosul, openly surprised at the ease with which they took Iraq's second largest city after three days of sporadic fighting.

Will the mighty SAF similarly collapse considering that it is led by paper generals, with uninspiring political leadership?
 
SAF related to the Iraq crisis? They cant even manage themselves.
 
....Will the mighty SAF similarly collapse considering that it is led by paper generals, with uninspiring political leadership?

When you have the police force where many rank and file are foreigners holding PRs, you can expect them to run when there is trouble. The riot in Little India proved this point. Mata mata ran away. Do not expect foreigners to die for your country.

Similarly, if you have foreigners serving in SAF as PRs, they are also likely to desert when there is a crisis. You expect them to stay around and die for your country?
 
Our MPs are the bestest, they will stay to fight if Singapore faces problems!

When you have the police force where many rank and file are foreigners holding PRs, you can expect them to run when there is trouble. The riot in Little India proved this point. Mata mata ran away. Do not expect foreigners to die for your country.

Similarly, if you have foreigners serving in SAF as PRs, they are also likely to desert when there is a crisis. You expect them to stay around and die for your country?
 
They run because they are cowards. We run because we are exercising maximum restraint.
 
The SAF has a very straightforward function - look good and don't cockup the show on NDP. Apart from this, their job(s) is very easy and routine. Sg has no external enemies, Sg has no internal factions. Any internal dissent can be dealt with by isolating the bugger and letting the cops or courts do the work. In this light, a career with the SAF is safe, stable, and rewarding (if one plays the cards right.)

Cheers!


...........Will the mighty SAF similarly collapse considering that it is led by paper generals, with uninspiring political leadership?
 
let's send in our newly minted FT citizen who is still in syria. he alone... 一个搞800个。 our boy general kee chiu can sit behind and watch.
 
The SAF has a very straightforward function - look good and don't cockup the show on NDP. Apart from this, their job(s) is very easy and routine. Sg has no external enemies, Sg has no internal factions. Any internal dissent can be dealt with by isolating the bugger and letting the cops or courts do the work. In this light, a career with the SAF is safe, stable, and rewarding (if one plays the cards right.)

Cheers!

yes SAF a organisation with 13 billion budget and no real or definite purpose or function in reality except for wayang.

its like having a store room and garage full of machine guns, automatic rifles and rpgs but the only enemy exist inside ur head and nothing around you except miles and miles of desert.
 
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Truly great soldiers. 800 men of God can get 30000 professional armed soldiers to flee in terror.
 
Truly great soldiers. 800 men of God can get 30000 professional armed soldiers to flee in terror.

thats why malays arent allowed in SAF,their loyalty to God is even stronger than loyalty to Old fart.

Allah u akbah!!!
 
nonsense singapore will fight to the death defending our shopping centers.
 
[video=youtube;HMy9RGMfQl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMy9RGMfQl0[/video]

This should put to rest all doubts on the outcome of SAF vs Terrorists
 
Will the mighty SAF similarly collapse considering that it is led by paper generals, with uninspiring political leadership?

It is a given. The PM and his gang will run first. The SQ 380 will fly them out. Soon after, the paper generals will run. SAF will just surrender.
 
The SAF has a very straightforward function - look good and don't cockup the show on NDP. Apart from this, their job(s) is very easy and routine. Sg has no external enemies, Sg has no internal factions. Any internal dissent can be dealt with by isolating the bugger and letting the cops or courts do the work. In this light, a career with the SAF is safe, stable, and rewarding (if one plays the cards right.)

Cheers!

Until the Indons declare war on sinkapore.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-iraq-catch-obama-administration-by-surprise/

[h=2]Threats[/h][h=1]‘Taking a nap’: Obama team accused of underestimating Iraq unrest[/h]<time itemprop="datePublished" datetime="2014-06-12T10:38-04:00" pubdate="">Published June 12, 2014</time>FoxNews.com


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The Obama administration's apparent miscalculation of the threat posed by Al Qaeda-aligned militants in Iraq drew severe criticism Thursday from top Republican lawmakers, who accused President Obama and his national security team of "taking a nap," warning "the next 9/11 is in the making."

The administration once again appears to have been caught off guard by an explosion of violence in a country U.S. forces helped liberate from a dictator.


Al Qaeda-aligned Sunni militants were advancing south and threatening to move on Baghdad on Thursday after overrunning the northern Iraq cities of Mosul and Tikrit -- with Iraqi government forces in rapid retreat.


GOP lawmakers vented that advances made by the militant Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) are confirming their "worst fears" about what would happen in the wake of the Obama-ordered U.S. troop withdrawal in 2011.
"What's the president doing? Taking a nap," House Speaker John Boehner snapped, before abruptly ending his weekly press conference on Thursday.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Iraq is "collapsing," calling it another potential Benghazi and urging the president to address the American people.
"The next 9/11 is in the making," Graham said.

President Obama, asked about the violence in Iraq, said Thursday that the U.S. can't be "everywhere all the time," but said he's concerned about what he described as an "emergency situation." He said his administration is in close consultation with Baghdad, and acknowledged they "need more help" from the U.S. and international community.

"My team is working around the clock to identify how we can provide the most effective assistance to them. I don't rule out anything," Obama said.

White House and State Department officials earlier said the administration is considering sending additional aid, but have not specified what that might be. The Iraqi government reportedly is seeking U.S. airstrikes. Republican lawmakers and military analysts are urging the administration to quickly piece together a gameplan.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Thursday that the current national security team is a "failure," urging Obama to get a "new team." He also took a shot at Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, saying: "We need a new chairman."

The escalating violence follows repeated assurances by the Obama administration that Al Qaeda is "on the run" and that its offshoots are not the threat they're made out to be.

As recently as Monday, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said of the situation in northern Iraq, "I don't get the sense that they're gaining a lot of territory."

Obama also brushed off concerns about Al Qaeda affiliates during an interview with The New Yorker, in a piece published in January.

"If a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms, that doesn't make them Kobe Bryant," the president said. That was in regard to concerns, at the time, that Islamist militants had taken over Fallujah -- the comment also followed Islamist militants overrunning the U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya, killing four Americans.

Yet in Iraq, militants with ISIS have made considerable gains since January. (They were listed in 2004 by the State Department as a terrorist organization under their old name, Al Qaeda in Iraq, shortly after the group formed.)
Gen. Jack Keane, former Army vice chief of staff and Fox News military analyst, said the administration has not put enough effort into forming a "comprehensive strategy" to partner with governments in the region to share intelligence and battle Al Qaeda affiliates.

"This caliphate exists, and it will be the most menacing thing in the Middle East if unattended," Keane said.

He acknowledged that the administration has "decimated" the Al Qaeda leadership in Pakistan to a degree. But he said: "The fact of the matter is the Al Qaeda and its affiliates ... is on the rise in the Middle East and in Africa."
Keane also said the U.S. lost leverage with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, whom Keane said needs to be saved "from himself." U.S. lawmakers have faulted Maliki's Shiite-led government for alienating the Sunni minority, in turn fueling tensions and giving Sunni militants an opening to exploit.

The Wall Street Journal reported that, privately, administration officials acknowledge they were caught off guard by the sudden developments in northern Iraq, where security forces abandoned their posts and militants overran key locations.
Military leaders reportedly said they thought Iraq's forces could hold off ISIS -- they were wrong.

Amid the deliberations, congressional Republicans continue to fume over the administration's response to the terror attack in Benghazi in 2012, for which nobody has yet been brought to justice, and have launched a formal select committee investigation.

The developments also follow President Obama foreign policy speech last month at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point where he backed a policy of restraint abroad and called for a wind-down of U.S. "military adventures."
Few expect that U.S. ground troops would be dispatched to Iraq, no matter how dire the situation becomes.

At issue now, among other things, is whether to provide more military aid and approve airstrikes. Maliki reportedly has sought U.S. airstrikes, but so far has been turned down.
A statement from the National Security Council made no commitment.

"We are not going to get into details of our diplomatic discussions but the Government of Iraq has made clear that they welcome our support in their effort to confront [ISIS]," spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan said. "We have expedited shipments of military equipment since the beginning of the year, ramped up training of Iraqi Security Forces, and worked intensively to help Iraq implement a holistic approach to counter this terrorist threat. Our assistance has been comprehensive, is continuing, and will increase."

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, in a statement overnight, offered "condolences" to the families of those killed, but did not specify what actions the administration would take.

"The United States will stand with Iraqi leaders across the political spectrum as they forge the national unity necessary to succeed in the fight against ISIL," he said, adding "we will also continue to provide, and as required increase, assistance to the Government of Iraq to help build Iraq's capacity to effectively and sustainably stop [ISIS's] efforts to wreak havoc in Iraq and the region."

To date, the U.S. has provided considerable military assistance. The State Department said Wednesday that that has included: 300 Hellfire missiles, millions of rounds of small arms ammunition, machine guns, grenades, rifles and more. Officials say the U.S. also supplied Bell IA-407 helicopters and is set to send over F-16 fighter jets.

A statement from Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz.,; Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; and Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., blamed the current situation on the U.S. decision to withdraw all troops from Iraq.

"We call on the president to explain to Congress and the American people how he plans to address the growing threat to our homeland and our national security interests posed by the rapidly expanding Al-Qaeda safe haven in Iraq and Syria," they said.
 
that's because half of those fuckers are terrorist sympathisers. it's kind of like in pakistan, where taleban have infiltrated the paki police AND army. and their tribal elders also love the taleban more than they love the paki gahmen.
 
Our MPs are the bestest, they will stay to fight if Singapore faces problems!

Reduce MPs allowances to just $5,000 a month, no directorship fee in companies and cut away all perks and pensions. How many of the MPs will stay to fight? These current MPs are just for the money, lah.
 
They run because they are cowards. We run because we are exercising maximum restraint.

When foreigners rioted in your country, you exercised maximum restraint. If foreigners launch an attack on your country, what do you do next? Maximum restraint or surrender like the Brit Army in SG to Japan in WW2?
 
Truly great soldiers. 800 men of God can get 30000 professional armed soldiers to flee in terror.

When a country is corrupt to the core, and the ultra rich have amassed their wealth, why should these 30,000 soldiers fight to die for the country? They will run road at the first opportunity. To die in vain is stupid.
 
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