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An Election STRATEGY that could TOPPLE this government.

Sideswipe

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There are many.

One example - Canada - Prime Minister John Turner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Turner


That's interesting. Is this a major flaw in westminster parliamentary election system?

a Prime Minister not allowed to enter Parliament.

John Turner played with the system, ignored the peoples will, no choice but to call for immediate election after being reappointed PM. His Liberals party was deservedly defeated in that coming GE.

But is there any non-parliamentary PM that got the position in normal circumstances and doesn't need to call for snap polls to get his mandate.
 

Frankiestine

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Is it worth attacking LKY when the next GE is probably his last.
Heaven forbid, old mental fart has long overstayed his welcome...by staying on and adopting the tormentor minister post is already a mockery to the political system here and has make singapore the laughing stock of the world...
 

scroobal

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But as A/P Chan Heng Chee said when she was lecturing on political science - politics affect all of us, whether we like it or not.

Bro, you could not thrown out a better name than Chan Heng Chee. I am utterly amazed that this name popped up as her entire family has been coopted.

When she was lecturer in University of Singapore she labelled old man as a "demigod" in one of her published writings. At that time a known critic.

To cut a long story short, her brother went on to become old man's principle private secretary and now CEO of SPH (read media control) Her younger brother tossed around in private and public sector and eventually became Consul at Shanghai for MFA. She is of course with MFA. Now she writes wonderful articles on Singapore political leadership in response to foreign press article.

Welcome to the world of PAP.

You got to salute old man - he always new how to keep his enemies close by. No one was surprised when Philip Jeyaretnam began his legal life in a form founded and run by the wife of a PAP cabinet member.
 

Lestat

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<style></style>Boy Oh boy.You sure have a twisted and tinted idea of how democracy works.I am talking of accountability here.The PM and his cabinet remains accountable to the people all the time.Its not as if you go to the polls every five years and than shut yourself from how the government works for you.You don't elect a government that burdens you ...Instead you elect a government that works for you.And if does not work for you well than its held accountable by the members of parliament,free press ,judiciary and so on.

Err,I don't blame you.Being under 40 years of authoritarian rule we do forget what indeed democracy is all about.

Why than do I talk of defeating only LHL you ask?Well I am no snake oil salesman.I cannot offer you a cure all potion now.I can only suggest the best option under an uniquely GRC electoral system in which the grounds are tilted grossly unfavorable to the oppositions.....So its a choice between the best of all evils so as to speak...Simply put with the little time and the scare resources our oppositions are forced to bear.Go for LHL.It is that are nothing.

Damn, I didn't want to continue with this conversation anymore but... :biggrin:

I am talking of accountability here.The PM and his cabinet remains accountable to the people all the time.

The whole idea is that once you give them the power to govern the country, you are effectively giving up your rights as a citizen to as for transparency and accountability. Haven't you learnt that from the last 40 years? :biggrin:

You don't elect a government that burdens you ...Instead you elect a government that works for you.And if does not work for you well than its held accountable by the members of parliament,free press ,judiciary and so on.

I totally agree with you on this above statement. However, you have to take a look around. We are living in the real world, not in the cyber world where we can say anything we want and hope for the best come election day. When the citizens choose comfort over ideals, what can the minority voice like ourselves do to make a difference? As I have mentioned in the above point, once you give them the mandate, you effectively GIVE up your rights for T&A. :smile:

In your starting post, you mentioned:
So the bottom line is that only through LKY demise can there be any real electoral change.Why not bring that change by defeating just the PAP key figure in coming election.


Now,this is how it goes.The opposition must put up its dream team regardless of opposition party's affliction.Yeah its a tall order.No ! its a very very tall order but it must be done.Than the choice is between LKY or LHL.Obviously LHL is the weaker link.Besides defeating LHL would loosen LKY's grip within PAP.

Now, let me once again emphasize the point I'm trying to make. LHL is NOT the weak link, removing him will NOT change anything as long as the PAPies have a MAJORITY in terms of vote. Effectively, it's still handling the mandate back to them, albeit to another person. LKY is the one currently calling the shots. It's safe to say that the rest are mere puppets on strings. Even if you defeat LHL, nothing is going to change! :eek:

To really overthrow the PAPies and to restore some form of democracy, we need to have good oppositions who are willing to SHOW THEIR BLOODY FACES MORE OFTEN to the public and communicate with the ordinary folks like you and me, and not ONLY appear when elections are drawing near. The next step they need to do is to ensure that the points they are trying to drive home is well understood by the folks on the streets. By that I mean the chinese educated, the low income level folks. Instead of trying to finger-point on the things which the PAPies have done, they should instead tell the people what changes they will be bringing for them. The general public is not stupid, you know? They are aware of the problems which the PAPies have caused, however they are still voting for them, not because the PAPies dangle goodies to them, but because the opposition FAILED to convince them on the things which the opposition will do for them if they are given the mandate to run the country.

You have to think long term when you are in politics. 40 years is not exactly long, however it's enough for the PAPies to gain knowledge and experience towards the mentality of the citizens. What have the opposition been doing?

Don't tell me about waving police reports, standing during rallies, distributing fliers to the public. Are all these effective means of reaching out to the public? Why not hold public discussion forums with the public? Invite the PAP folks to be present too. Let both the public and the PAPies see what vision/plan they have in their mind if they are being elected to run the country. No point all the hot air talks ONLY when elections are drawing near.

ENGAGE THE PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME!:smile:
 

Nice-Gook

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in the event that we got lucky and LHL managed to lose AMK GRC. What do you think will happen? as long as LKY is still alive, he will become the PM AGAIN!

<style></style>Now this indeed is an interesting question.Glad you asked.What if LKY is indeed in control after LHL defeated.Well LKY is in control now.But he needs LHL as his trusted man as his veneer.Above all PMship is a sort of heirloom LKY would want LHL to have after he is long gone.More like the family fortune a father would want to hand down to his eldest son.You will break all that chain with LHL defeat.

In the lighter vein if LKY does take control than the weight of officialdom would see him soon to his final resting place.Perhaps more likely the PAP cadres who would see to LKY demise once they smell blood.Sharks they all are .I mean all politicians lot.The entire bunch of yes-men surrounding LKY are there for only one reason-MONEY.....LKY himself would certainly knows that rather well.Once they see their boss weaken.The law of the jungle prevails.Each jostling for their own power base/seat.Or want to be be seen and heard amongst the next PM.The very friends becomes their enemies.Yes ! the people in the PAP themselves would push LKY out or even negotiate with opposition parties to share power.That indeed is politics.

As the saying goes he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
 

VIBGYOR

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Why do you think they asked Ho Ching to step down short of 3 years? Its for this coming elections and they do not want a sitting target presented to the opposition.

hey after she step down she can also be used as a target..LOL..

she lost money that's why she step down..LOL..

ofart being the man he is, are afraid of people more capable than him, that's why LCS was taken out of the picture.

he ended up surrounded by 2nd, 3rd or non best people.

once he goes, the entire PAP system will collapse.

any heavy weight opposition will easily take out any of the PAP cronies ministars.

see how they debate in parliament? years of no training has really taken its toll...

it's an easy kill man...JUST DO IT! LOL..

how to recruit heavy weights oppositions?

UNITE ALL THE BLOODY OPPOSITION PARTIES!!
 
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Nice-Gook

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:smile: The answer to that is simple: Not all opposition candidates are created equal.

In terms of value:
Some are worth your vote.

Others are not.

Oh yes,in the absence of best opposition candidate you rather vote PAP har.Now where have I heard that before?

Oh yes,an opposition candidate standing in the last election did voted for a PAP candidate in his constituency right.How sweet.

Ok man.Your voting rights are your prerogative.Keep waiting for the right opposition candidate.PAP loves your sort of guys and girls.Meanwhile PAP would bankrupt anybody who so much even remotely seen as your sort of opposition candidate.Why?Because they know people like you exist.Therefore they will keep out all the 'right' guys out of politics and elections.It is their job security.

Now suppose if you tell PAP you rather vote for any dog than vote for them.Perhaps PAP may bankrupt less oppositions.And your choice widens.

Blame yourself for not getting your right opposition candidate.
 

Nice-Gook

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(2) On the other hand, your method of bringing down the PAP will leave a vacuum. I presume you are a singaporean. Then this vacuum will create a period of uncertainty in Singapore. If you are also thinking of your fellow singaporeans, this will not be a situation that you want.

<style></style>Holy mackerel ! Now why didn't I think of that.Bringing down PAP will create a vacuum har ! Shit , and all that uncertainty to boot.

Shit shit shit...where would all of us sinkies would than drift without the invincible hands of PAP to control us?....God forbids if LKY dies.How would my dog do his poo any more.My poor child cannot add his arithmetic any longer.Stupid me...:p

But a bird keeps telling me.Life goes on with or without you...the show goes on.And someday in the future your generations would laugh at your cowardice.
 

Nice-Gook

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Why in god name must there be so many different opposition parties in such a small state like Singapore? Unlike Malaysia, the parties there are formed mainly along racial lines. They do not share the same ideology. What is the problem for our opposition parties to consolidate their resources and fight as one major party? Until you guys understand that unity is strength, the opposition will never ever be considered as a threat to those scums in power...

Well said.Why do we need so many opposition parties...or is it part of PAP design?
 

kakowi

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Bro, you could not thrown out a better name than Chan Heng Chee. I am utterly amazed that this name popped up as her entire family has been coopted.

...

Given that she was a President Scholar and one of the two who scored straight As every year for four years, her arguments and debate on both sides of the coin were absolutely fascinating, especially to a person green behind the ears.

But thanks for the anecdotes.

I do not know how you know so much and neither am i asking, but they are very enlightening.

Cheers
:smile:
 

scroobal

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Given that she was a President Scholar and one of the two who scored straight As every year for four years, her arguments and debate on both sides of the coin were absolutely fascinating, especially to a person green behind the ears.

But thanks for the anecdotes.

I do not know how you know so much and neither am i asking, but they are very enlightening.

Cheers
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She was and is indeed a very bright person. Such talent wasted on diplomacy as opposed to policy making. Her ex-husband is also another critic but has not yielded.

Within months of retiring ex-head of Civil Service Ngiam Tong Dow, argued strongly in public against monopolising talent the way PAP does. Eventually we will pay a price and a generation or two will be lost.
 

kakowi

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...

Within months of retiring ex-head of Civil Service Ngiam Tong Dow, argued strongly in public against monopolising talent the way PAP does. Eventually we will pay a price and a generation or two will be lost.

I remember reading this some time back and i thought it was gratifying that at least some felt a need to segregate the Civil Service from the politicians
 

Nice-Gook

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<style></style>The whole idea is that once you give them the power to govern the country, you are effectively giving up your rights as a citizen to as for transparency and accountability. Haven't you learnt that from the last 40 years?

Now, let me once again emphasize the point I'm trying to make. LHL is NOT the weak link, removing him will NOT change anything as long as the PAPies have a MAJORITY in terms of vote.

To really overthrow the PAPies and to restore some form of democracy, we need to have good oppositions who are willing to SHOW THEIR BLOODY FACES MORE OFTEN to the public and communicate with the ordinary folks like you and me, and not ONLY appear when elections are drawing near.

Are all these effective means of reaching out to the public? Why not hold public discussion forums with the public? Invite the PAP folks to be present too. Let both the public and the PAPies see what vision/plan they have in their mind if they are being elected to run the country. No point all the hot air talks ONLY when elections are drawing near.




:smile:

<style></style>Sure I hear you loud and clear.But why ask me in so many words which essentially is the same as what 'kakowi; said in 3 short phrases? ...as reproduced below verbatim.Should I answer you any differently?

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<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by kakowi
:smile: The answer to that is simple: Not all opposition candidates are created equal.

In terms of value:
Some are worth your vote.

Others are not.
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Oh yes,in the absence of best opposition candidate you rather vote PAP har.Now where have I heard that before?

Oh yes,an opposition candidate standing in the last election did voted for a PAP candidate in his constituency right.How sweet.

Ok man.Your voting rights are your prerogative.Keep waiting for the right opposition candidate.PAP loves your sort of guys and girls.Meanwhile PAP would bankrupt anybody who so much even remotely seen as your sort of opposition candidate.Why?Because they know people like you exist.Therefore they will keep out all the 'right' guys out of politics and elections.It is their job security.

Now suppose if you tell PAP you rather vote for any dog than vote for them.Perhaps PAP may bankrupt less oppositions.And your choice widens.

Blame yourself for not getting your right opposition candidate.
 

tinyplanet

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I only believe that the tell-tale sign of election is coming is the introduction of new faces during the MP walkabout.
 

Spermlord

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It does tell me that you have no clue about Singapore Politics and the laws of probability.

Firstly, Tanjong Pagar is no ordinary consituency. Take a walk. Compared to the rest, it has changed the least. People prefer status quo. Look at the Hawker centre - almost the same tenants, passed down from parents to children or relatives. Small altars here and there. Incense burning like no tomorrow. Of course addtional cleaners and quick job.

When Goh Keng Swee was MP of Kreta Ayer, it was well known that he had little time for street politics so they had let the status quo remain and for years, nothing was done. They just allowed the old folks who was the main voting bloc to remain happy. Moment he left politics, the valuable real estate was opened up and tremendous changes occurred.

Anson which is next Tanjong Pagar at that time had a lot of movement/ changes including unhappy relocations at Blair Plain, Low Hill Road and the PAP lost to JBJ. They did not touch Tanjong Pagar. In essence, you are not going to move anything there as the PAP grassroots have a total hold. Its a no go zone even for Govt Depts. All must be cleared by his proxy.

Secondly, any strategy or even common sesnse will call for the attack to take place at the weakest link. You think Tanjong Pagar is a weak link?

NAY-SAYER BEGONE...IN SUCH TIMES, WEAKLINGS LIKE YOU WILL BETRAY US....BE GONE! NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!! :oIo:
 

scroobal

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what about argument on the accountability and responsibilities of her role?

or GIC losses? :biggrin:
She obviously cannot disapper like ether. The single issue is conflict of interest iron necklace that hangs from PM's neck. Its has been a joke too loong. Get rid of that and the target becomes smaller.
 

rainnix

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I wait to see how much balls oppos got and contest LKY GRC.
I wait to see how much balls sinkies have to vote against pappies.
I wait to see how you all cry foul and disappointed the day after elections.

Please contest LKY GRC and the walkabout is enough to set his pacer to haywire.
 
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