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Went past a couple of developments like The Peak, located at Kulai, looks good still.

Went to the hills, seems like what i heard some time back about fencing separating the terraces separating the road and Bungalows.
The design of some Bungalows were decent through. Looks like there are 2 playgrounds inside the Hills.
 
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Saw that there are quite a few bus stops with lighting installed inside.

Went to IOI mall yesterday in Kulai, went to the golf course area there etc. Kulai seems to have brighten up a lot considerably.
Even the mall has changed a lot, the movie theatre was small but decent and lots of shops seemed to have opened up in the mall.

Hey Wuqi, I visited IOI Kulai on Friday. Thwere are some new houses with golf course view being sold, but going fast. Apparently prices just went up Thur. What do you think of this area?
 
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potter

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U can go to senai airport directly, just behind from IOI palm villa resort (passby sofital palm resort) .. titter.gif
 
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Hey Wuqi, I visited IOI Kulai on Friday. Thwere are some new houses with golf course view being sold, but going fast. Apparently prices just went up Thur. What do you think of this area?

Depends on how much it has gone up, before Thu I would rate it a BUY. There was also once that a forummer asked me a couple of years back and had a lake, i informed her to buy too back then and then another one about a year ago, she too bought near or behind a lake.

Hope that no one comes after me if they don't make much money out of these. :smile:


As always, caveat emptor, let the buyers beware.
 
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To be frank, when you buy in this area, please do make it a point to " buy for own stay " first.. If you are planning to buy a few properties hoping to flip for profits, the era is over. When I drive around iskandar and bukit indah region, its quite clear the sudden supply of condos and landed far exceeds the demand. Even in places like Horizon Hills, prices have stagnanted but two particular agents ( not going to mention names here ) keep publishing sky-high prices hoping to attract buyers. One semi d unit has been calling for as low as RM 1.3 m but no buyers half a year ago. Now the seller is asking for up to RM 1.7 M even though its obvious the price is already far too high.

When u drive past a particular condo opp giant and Tesco in Bukit Indah, its really dark and quiet even though the condo has TOP for quite some time.

are u refering to Sky Executive ? owners yet to collect keys of coz dark n quiet la ....
 
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To be frank, when you buy in this area, please do make it a point to " buy for own stay " first.. If you are planning to buy a few properties hoping to flip for profits, the era is over. When I drive around iskandar and bukit indah region, its quite clear the sudden supply of condos and landed far exceeds the demand. Even in places like Horizon Hills, prices have stagnanted but two particular agents ( not going to mention names here ) keep publishing sky-high prices hoping to attract buyers. One semi d unit has been calling for as low as RM 1.3 m but no buyers half a year ago. Now the seller is asking for up to RM 1.7 M even though its obvious the price is already far too high.

When u drive past a particular condo opp giant and Tesco in Bukit Indah, its really dark and quiet even though the condo has TOP for quite some time.

I think another wave of buyers has just started coming to JB but this group are mostly speculators. Prices are still climbing. I agree with your view that one should also aim to buy for own stay first.
 

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I think another wave of buyers has just started coming to JB but this group are mostly speculators. Prices are still climbing. I agree with your view that one should also aim to buy for own stay first.

Yes, first and foremost, own stay and then buying for rental, etc as the secondary. Buying for own stay, i would always buy the biggest i can afford. Buying for investment, i would buy smaller units but in multiples if i see that the going is good.

One thing i also look for is also intrisic value and possible appreciation. Given my limited views only as a person in IT, i will try to find out:

1. What is fueling the growth, what are the sunset industries, what are the new growth sectors. Related to government?

2. Who are the parties fueling the growth -
a. One government, multiple MNCs = Not enough, lacklustre growth and opportunities.
b. Two or more governments + multiple MNCs = Ok worth a shot.
c. Three or more government + multiple MNCs + political players/will + avenues of growth caused by push and pull factors related to neighbouring countries = I am in (after i find out more about the push/pull factors AND do my DUE DILLIGENCE).

3. Type? If situated in greenfield zones? If so, what are the infrasctructure and areas expected to grow in the short and long term (>5 years period)
What will be the primary use of this land, does it fit in with the current or expected growth demand? How far is it in the evolution cycle or is part of it
already converted or zoned for other usage such as industrial?

Best wishes to everyone and prosperity for all.
 

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There is a very good chance that prices of retail goods and food at malls and restaurants in Singapore will go up significantly this year (I project at least 10%), due to higher foreign workers levy and tigher quota. More will head to JB during weekends or holidays to reduce costs.

Retailers, F&B bosses fearing the worst in foreign-worker curbs

Published February 27, 2013
By malminderjit singh

REACTIONS TO BUDGET

Mr Tjioe: Manpower crunch will lead to loss of chefs - PHOTO: TUNG LOK RESTAURANTS

[SINGAPORE] Moves to further curb the inflow of foreign manpower in Monday's Budget aren't sitting well with some retailers and food & beverage (F&B) operators who believe they will be hit hard.

With a dearth of Singaporeans willing to take up jobs in these sectors, retail and F&B firms say that a lack of manpower, resulting from the reduction in foreign worker dependency numbers and the increase in the foreign worker levy as announced in the Budget, would lead to a loss of business and decline in service standards and could force them to either wind down or move out of Singapore.

The Singapore Business Federation (SBF) acknowledged that this was a real problem for the service sector in general.

"It is clear the government is pursuing a targeted approach to the foreign manpower issue, and the announced measures favour companies that are committed to productivity-led growth with the emphasis on hiring locals. The service sector, long deemed a productivity laggard, has been delivered a resounding message to restructure with further reductions in work permits, increased foreign worker levies and tighter dependency caps," said Ho Meng Kit, CEO of SBF.

Mr Ho added that many of these services companies in the F&B, hotel and retail will have a hard time adjusting and some will fail.

Companies BT spoke to were pessimistic about their future, insisting that foreign manpower was integral to their operations.

The F&B industry, for instance, feels it needs foreign manpower because there simply aren't enough workers among locals for the sector.

"Singaporeans don't even turn up for interviews when we advertise for vacancies," said Karambeer Khanijou, director of Old Empire and TSA Wines, adding that even when Singaporeans are hired, they typically do not last more than a week or two, a phenomenon he has witnessed in other F&B establishments too.

Making it harder to hire foreigners will result in F&B outlets becoming understaffed, which would not only lead to falling business for these operations, but also result in a decline of service standards, F&B operators said.

Mr Khanijou told BT that he knew of two F&B outlets in Singapore that have closed down for these reasons and said he would not be surprised to see more suffer the same fate this year.

Others in the industry feel the tightening could lead to a loss of creativity and damage the industry's reputation.

Andrew Tjioe, president of the 300-member strong Restaurant Association of Singapore and executive chairman of the Tung Lok Group, reckons the manpower crunch will lead to a loss of chefs who are a source of creativity in the industry.

"Singapore used to be one of the cuisine capitals in the world and in Asia, but I think this glory is fading because now we don't have the service and soon we won't have the creativity. Those who do have creativity won't want to stay in Singapore, (as) they would rather go overseas and there are many countries that will be willing to take them," said Mr Tjioe.

Companies may also opt to relocate away from Singapore to save their operations.

Foodedge Gourmet, for one, is thinking of relocating segments of its food business to Malaysia because it feels the labour crunch will make it more difficult for it to operate here. A spokesman for the company told BT that automation to achieve productivity gains has its limitations, since widespread automation requires more land, which is a substantially higher business cost here and would require a large volume of production for economies of scale to be achieved.

The picture isn't rosy for the retail sector too, said R Dhinakaran, managing director of the Jay Gee Melwani Group and vice-president of the Singapore Retail Association.

Mr Dhinakaran said curtailing foreign labour may hurt retail companies more as the room to make productivity gains is more limited than other sectors because of the limitations of automation completely being able to replace the "human touch" of retail jobs.

Retailers not only stand to lose money if they are understaffed, but the drop in service standards compared with neighbouring countries could also hurt tourist spending, he warned.

Some retail businesses have become accustomed to the shortage of staff. Terence Yow, CEO of shoe retailer and distributor Enviably Me, said he has assembled a high-quality workforce that can multi-task to get around this problem, but he concedes that such an approach would not be able to overcome a severe reduction in headcount.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/pre...s-fearing-worst-foreign-worker-curbs-20130227
 

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Agreed on that. Can talk to them till cow cum home. But till today, my parents and siblings still doesnt believe JB or Msia are safe to live in.:rolleyes:

Whenever I talked about buying JB house to relatives and friends. Everyone disapproved except 2, my husband and my brother. Comments like:
- " too many crimes, go there sure die one " , " price will not go up, too much land ", "so far away", "too many mosquitoes" , "don't want to stay in the kampong", "flood everywhere in JB", "house sure break in one", "cannot rent out", etc
 

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Whenever I talked about buying JB house to relatives and friends. Everyone disapproved except 2, my husband and my brother. Comments like:
- " too many crimes, go there sure die one " , " price will not go up, too much land ", "so far away", "too many mosquitoes" , "don't want to stay in the kampong", "flood everywhere in JB", "house sure break in one", "cannot rent out", etc

Nehhhh..... never bother to tell anyone unless they show "real interest" to buy.

It happen to me every new year in Singapore I tell relatives to buy properties in Singapore from 2004 to 2009. No one acted; some even sold their only property and waited for a correction that till today still have not come.

Now I see them I just keep quiet. What ever I say will be "sour". What ever they say will be "sour grape".

I just keep quiet enjoy my new found wealth.
Now I venture into JB; I know if I told anyone they will say exactly what you have just type on top.

The same thing will happen all over again; and they will say thing like "not as cleaver as you", "Not as rich as you".

Just ignore them, invest yourself. Get rich yourself.

And if I feel like giving out tips; I rather give to strangers like those in this forum.
 
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mi keep it quiet even papa,mama,bro,sis all dun know, otherwise sure kena "cannot buy har..tell u again..cannot buy har".. titter.gif just bring them over slowly to let them see and feel it once it's done. (tok too much also no use..)
 
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For me, I am quite lucky, after I paid the deposit for the house, then I tell my family members.
My sister gave me $25k and my dad ask me enough or not, if not I give u. Don't take so much loan.
As for my relatives, I don't bother to waste my time telling them if not I will be the topic of the year.
My colleagues initially show interest, then start to pour cold water and scare me with all sort of stories they heard.
So my conclusion is just keep it to yourself and ppl who support u.
 
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