Indefensible.....papee white-washing Singapore history

[zhihau]

I will admit when I made a mistake. Read too quickly. I can now prove that Singapore become independent from the UK only on 16 September 1963 so you do not need to retire.
Read http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1963/35/data.pdf

ooo... then when was that proclamation of Merdeka made on the steps of City Hall?

 

[kingrant]

This fact is not usually mentioned as a stand alone fact, unless the article or book author has a special reason to delve into it for discussion, because by itself, it did not have much significance for the world, except in LKY's little well. LKY did proclaim independence on 31 August 1963 by raising his right fist and shouting Merdeka 3 x. Thanks to the village idiot who helped to provide the proof from the 1 Sep 1963 ed of ST from the Nat lib archives. So this is already defacto fact. LKY proclaimed S'pore independence on 31 Aug 1963 and after M'sia was formed on 16 Sep 1963, he had another shot at it.

My point is not so much on the event but the fact that even for 16 days, the Old Man couldnt wait to exercise his bragging rights, that he did it whilst david marshall failed in the London talks.

ooo... then when was that proclamation of Merdeka made on the steps of City Hall?

 

[cass888]

1(1) - independent only when the states are federated which took place on 16 Sep 2013 i.e. UK relinquished independence only on formation of Malaysia.

hahaha....thks for the proactive actions to clarify this subject...much appreciated.
for the proof, can you point to the relevant sections for kuku people like kukubird...such ACT too cheem for me.

 

[zhihau]

1(1) - independent only when the states are federated which took place on 16 Sep 2013 i.e. UK relinquished independence only on formation of Malaysia.

ooo... then was it considered an act of treason against the crown when the old man did his celebratory calls of Merdeka on the steps of City Hall on 31st August 1963?

 

[kukubird58]

1(1) - independent only when the states are federated which took place on 16 Sep 2013 i.e. UK relinquished independence only on formation of Malaysia.

hahaha....thank you for providing the silver bullet.
Now the picture is clear...
Singapore was never an independent sovereign country prior to joining the Federation on 16 Sep 1963.
As I said before, I am personally very surprised that so many intellectual people in this forum were tripped by the wayang pulled by lky on 31 Aug 1963 and distorted internet reportings...
Though I pointed out the clever use of words by lky/st in ST dated 1 Sep 1963, this was ignored by the blinkered supporters who went on a feeding frenzy....
had i not persevered in trying to seek the truth, this truth will not surface and the younger generations will continue to be misled by such distorted internet postings.

WE should all learn something from this episode and i am truly indebted to cass for the pro-active step taken to clarify this subject despite our initial differences in opinions and understanding.
u are a true gentleman and i salute u.

 

[cass888]

Paisey saya sala in the first place.

Actually, it wasn't Lee Kuan Yew's fault. He had already struck his deal with Tunku and 31 August was supposed to be the day. Delay came from Borneo because of the Indons and Pinoys. Now we can see that Singapore could not join Malaysia until Borneo also joins at the same time because all 3 must break away from the UK and join Malaysia at the same time.

hahaha....thank you for providing the silver bullet.
Now the picture is clear...
Singapore was never an independent sovereign country prior to joining the Federation on 16 Sep 1963.
As I said before, I am personally very surprised that so many intellectual people in this forum were tripped by the wayang pulled by lky on 31 Aug 1963 and distorted internet reportings...
Though I pointed out the clever use of words by lky/st in ST dated 1 Sep 1963, this was ignored by the blinkered supporters who went on a feeding frenzy....
had i not persevered in trying to seek the truth, this truth will not surface and the younger generations will continue to be misled by such distorted internet postings.

WE should all learn something from this episode and i am truly indebted to cass for the pro-active step taken to clarify this subject despite our initial differences in opinions and understanding.
u are a true gentleman and i salute u.

 

[kingrant]

Dont use terms like silver bullet when you dont understand what it means inthe first place.

All 3 dates are real and can co-exist in diff texts depending on whether the subject is relevant. Nobody has been saying that PAP is whitewashing history, because simply they are facts. Just becos 31 aug is not celebrated as our independence day does not make it disappear. History is made up of events one after another, and new developments occur all the time and bew events over run the previous one.

You are the idiot who painted yrself into a corner and have been struggling to clear your reputation as an ignoramus who has been trolling and trying to disrupt ongg threads. When cayght with your pants of you become real pathetic, twisting nturning. True spastic and a half fucked whore!

 

[kukubird58]

Dont use terms like silver bullet when you dont understand what it means inthe first place.

All 3 dates are real and can co-exist in diff texts depending on whether the subject is relevant. Nobody has been saying that PAP is whitewashing history, because simply they are facts. Just becos 31 aug is not celebrated as our independence day does not make it disappear. History is made up of events one after another, and new developments occur all the time and bew events over run the previous one.

You are the idiot who painted yrself into a corner and have been struggling to clear your reputation as an ignoramus who has been trolling and trying to disrupt ongg threads. When cayght with your pants of you become real pathetic, twisting nturning. True spastic and a half fucked whore!

hahaha....the statement "In 1963, Singapore was already independent with its own PM "
it has been proven with evidence that Singapore was granted independence from Britain only when it joined the Federation"; therefore there was no lapse in British rule over Singapore all the way to Singapore joining the Federation.

You are a foul mouthed empty vessel and I wiill not entertain idiots like u anymore.
Your rantings and vulgarities are overboard.
Don't bother to reply to me as I have put you under IGNORE list.

 

[kingrant]

The only silver bullet is the ST evidence you produced and it is the one you have used to shoot yrself in the foot.

Do all of us a favour - get yr irritating ignorance out of my elite face. You are a whiny child and not worth wasting my silver bullet or breath on.

 

[ZombieFart]

UK legislation does not offer a correct picture.
Should check the agreement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A...een_UK,_N._Borneo,_Sarawak_and_Singapore.djvu

See Page 4
Article II: Original date 31/8/1963, known as "Malaysia Day".
Article IV: UK to "give up SG" on "Malaysia Day".

See Page 241
Amendment date 31/8/1963 to 16/9/1963:
Into force on 11/9/1963 (date GKS signed)

On 1/9/1963, LKY was not wrong to declare independence.

 

[kukubird58]

Third, while the assembly could have been dissolved without a declaration of independence, LKY would have had to ask the British Governor to do the dissolution, and the governor might not have been as complaint as LKY required him to be for the ploy to work.

hahaha....just a little clarification here
i was wondering about this point now we know that singapore was not an independent country on 12 Sep 1963....
actually the role of the British Governor was already replaced by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (Yusoff Ishok) when Singapore was granted partial internal self-government in 1955.

 

[eatshitndie]

c'mon la guys. when the 13 colonies in north america declared independence from british rule in 1776, they didn't need the king, parliament and the british empire to endorse or sign off on it. go read up on history.

 

[metalmickey]

c'mon la guys. when the 13 colonies in north america declared independence from british rule in 1776, they didn't need the king, parliament and the british empire to endorse or sign off on it. go read up on history.

That's true. The Independence day of America was 4 July 1776. During the war with the British, and that war only ended in 1783. (Yes that war lasted longer than WWII, and the Americans almost lost it).

But I suppose when you are taking up wars, that is de facto acting independence.

 

[eatshitndie]

That's true. The Independence day of America was 4 July 1776. During the war with the British, and that war only ended in 1783. (Yes that war lasted longer than WWII, and the Americans almost lost it).

But I suppose when you are taking up wars, that is de facto acting independence.

the americans were basically telling the brits "either fuck off or fight us!"

the brits could have either ignored the american u.d.i. and let them enjoy their independence or treated it as treason and sent in the army. and obviously they took the latter course of action, which was automatic and predictable in the late 18th century with france (as a close neighbor) in revolutionary fever.

 

[kingrant]

By now, everyone can see how that idiot thinks. If we reveal some hidden fact or whisper, he'll say how come the SCM never print it? If LKY has done it, how come the U.N. did not recognise it? If we allude to Shanmugam's shenanigans, he asked where's the proof? If Shan said it's a lie, he 'll be asking how come if it is true you are not suing? and so on and on.

I have never encountered a more complete ass. The whole world has to present all the facts at his feet, and even then, he'll wriggle like a worm by changing tune.

Good that he ignores me, now I can continue taking potshots at him in peace.

c'mon la guys. when the 13 colonies in north america declared independence from british rule in 1776, they didn't need the king, parliament and the british empire to endorse or sign off on it. go read up on history.

 

[HTOLAS]

You are right about the appointment of a Yangdipertuan Negara (not Agung ). But that happened in 1959, not 55. But you are right, a compliant governor was probably not one of LKY's concerns when he called the snap poll.

Still UDI did happen.

hahaha....just a little clarification here
i was wondering about this point now we know that singapore was not an independent country on 12 Sep 1963....
actually the role of the British Governor was already replaced by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (Yusoff Ishok) when Singapore was granted partial internal self-government in 1955.

 

[kukubird58]

You are right about the appointment of a Yangdipertuan Negara (not Agung ). But that happened in 1959, not 55. But you are right, a compliant governor was probably not one of LKY's concerns when he called the snap poll.

Still UDI did happen.

hahaha......yes u were right, Yang diPertuan Negara and 1959.

 

[kukubird58]

UK legislation does not offer a correct picture.
Should check the agreement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A...een_UK,_N._Borneo,_Sarawak_and_Singapore.djvu

See Page 4
Article II: Original date 31/8/1963, known as "Malaysia Day".
Article IV: UK to "give up SG" on "Malaysia Day".

See Page 241
Amendment date 31/8/1963 to 16/9/1963:
Into force on 11/9/1963 (date GKS signed)

On 1/9/1963, LKY was not wrong to declare independence.

hahaha...that a wayang took place is no doubt....
what u have provided is further confirmation that Papee acknowledged Bristish rule over Singapore until formation of Malaysia on 16 Sep 1963 by agreeing to the amended date..

Hence although LKY did what many termed as UDI, LKY/papee (victor) has never claimed that Singapore was independent from 1 to 15 Sep 1963 in the history books.....neither has any other historians

 

[bullfrog]

actually the role of the British Governor was already replaced by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (Yusoff Ishok) when Singapore was granted partial internal self-government in 1955.

What a complete f***ing idiot!

 

[kingrant]

Haha..you noticed it too, bro?

What a complete f***ing idiot!