Creating online persona - where to draw the line

Hawkeye1819

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By now you have read the rubbish post by FTalent, claiming to be a Shanghai babe by the name of Jane who has lived in SG for 5 years and worked extensively overseas, well liked by her boss, doesn't want to take up permanent residency in SG because of xenophobic attitudes, seems to know everything about SG and our political structure, writes excellent English, fully cosmopolitan, globalized in every sense, etc etc etc.

Some of you caught her out right away, some took one of two pages of drivel before realizing, and some still clueless. To those who are clueless, well wake up this is the internet and you've been pranked. Not the first, and neither will it be the last. These janes will appear when we least expect it and elicit a wide array of emotions from us including guilt, fear, anger, envy, jealousy, etc. The bolder ones will try to get us to part with our doe, rent them rooms, or make some personal sacrifice we later regret. You either wise up to these pranksters, or one day you will get hurt. I assure you, you will be hurt, and it will hurt very bad.

Creating online personas is nothing wrong in itself. I am hiding behind a nick. So are 99% of you. Once you are anonymous you have basically created a persona. How you develop it is up to you. You can either be a constructive poster or a destructive one. The choice is yours. You can enlighten and educate others, or you can drive people away. Again, choice is yours.

So where to draw the line in creating online personalities? I feel these are appropriate guidelines; pple here may agree or disagree if so I'd like to hear your views.

(A) If you use a false persona to fraudulently elicit feelings of envy, regret, guilt, anger, or sorrow, you are causing harm to others. you must stop right away.

(B) If you create a false persona to fraudulently get people to react to you in a way that suits your agenda, to get them to start thinking or imagining things that aren't there at all, or to get them down a false line or argument that wastes everyone's time, you are basically the Jane Doe who started the FTalent thread. Shame on you, whoever you are.

(C) If you use a false persona to cheat people of their time, money, or physical resources, again you are doing harm and possibly engaging in a criminal act. Need I even spell this out? The late JBJ was cheated in this manner by a false persona.

(D) If you use a false persona, especially multiple forum accounts, to create strife, quarrels, conflicts between forummers, you are disrupting the forum and you are betraying the trust in you that was automatically placed when LEONGSAM or one of his mods got you cleared from moderation. You, by your actions, prevent others from participating in a civil and constructive fashion.

you can spread all the PAP propaganda and opposition propaganda even religious propaganda, no problem in my book. By (A)-(D) above is where I think we should draw the line. I invite comments.
 
It is just a way to direct more traffic here if you got what i mean.... :)
 
It is just a way to direct more traffic here if you got what i mean.... :)


Well, reading the Jane Doe thread got me worked up and motivated enough to write this frigging wall of text. So yah, if traffic is the motive, it worked damn well on me. Especially the foreign talent issue still searing in my head, and Jane Doe comes in with this.
 
And yes, forgot to mention:

(E) If you use multiple nicknames to engage in astroturfting, creating fictional support for your cause however noble it may actually be, in my book you are a washout. And you undermine the very cause you purport to advance.

The Jason Chuas of facebook and other PAP brigadiers and others of similar ilk, this (E) is directed at you.
 
Hey Hawk, how do you know who's fake ?..are you that dreaded JW guy ?..:eek::*:
 
Well, reading the Jane Doe thread got me worked up and motivated enough to write this frigging wall of text. So yah, if traffic is the motive, it worked damn well on me. Especially the foreign talent issue still searing in my head, and Jane Doe comes in with this.

why does it get so work up on you.

isn't it tired to keep dealing with all these.

why not leave and settle in another place and you live a life without dealing with all these shit.
 
Hey Hawk, how do you know who's fake ?..are you that dreaded JW guy ?..:eek::*:


Fish, I am not JW5 if that's who you're tokking about and even if I was, he and I never used false personas.

And JW5 and I also did not flood the forum with silly threads that pushed down good threads, like what some people did in fuckwarezone to get the anti-estab postings pushed down.
 
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no need to talk about rules and what la. If you fell for it and got punked you get called up for it and get called a blur fuck by some other forummer here. FYI being punked and pranked like that on the net isn't new at all. Nigerian scams, tall tales, men pretending to be young women or hot younger men have been on going for years. It's a good thing this isn't some sort of dating website for eg where ppl are actively seeking sex partners and are under a higher risk to be pranked, punked or cheated by some conster. Open your eyes, use your brains to discern or take a bet and risk believing in the person.
 
why does it get so work up on you.

isn't it tired to keep dealing with all these.

why not leave and settle in another place and you live a life without dealing with all these shit.


I know, Tony. Can understand. But risking taking is not for me. Going off to country A, then coming back to SG when i realized i couldn't make it, then off to country B, then coming back again because the cash ran out, etc, etc, is just not my cup of tea.

I'd rather just focus on living an upright life and helping my folks in SG the best I can.
 
Hawkeye...

You must have just crawled out from under a rock.

Welcome to the Internet, where the trolls are plenty.

This forum is certainly no exception, and may I gently remind you that the school holidays are on now.

With enough experience, your 'troll radar' will be honed to properly identify all trolls.

P.S: 'Once in 50 years' Yaacob's proposed 'Internet code of conduct' does not work.
 
I know, Tony. Can understand. But risking taking is not for me. Going off to country A, then coming back to SG when i realized i couldn't make it, then off to country B, then coming back again because the cash ran out, etc, etc, is just not my cup of tea.

I'd rather just focus on living an upright life and helping my folks in SG the best I can.

You go off and then dun go back. You have that go back mentality, you cant go away for good. Sad for you.
 
think it's fun and interesting for "jane" to start a thread that elicit testosteronic responses. she just needs to follow up on the thread to continue the orgy. otherwise, shooting off once and disappearing seems too snipey and too abrupt for persona development and sincere discussions.
 
Hawk's credentials are proven in this forum. A vet as well.

Clones are part and parcel of every forum albeit more here. This is a false persona with dishonorable intentions.
 
It all depends what you perceive an on line forum to be.

I started off in an era where are real identities were a closely guarded secret and great lengths were taken to protect anonymity. Cyberspace was a different world altogether.

The current facebook generation considers cyberspace simply to be an extension of reality and have no problems plastering intimate details and photos all over the place without a care in the world... until they get into trouble that is.

My view of internet forums is that they are giant stages and the participants are all actors. Members can adopt as many personas as they want as long as they don't deface the forum with pictures of dogs fucking and poo floating in a toilet or spam the forum with money making schemes.

It does not matter to me if nicks pretend to be what they will never be in real life as long as the ensuing debate brings out valid points. After all, isn't that what many TV and movie dramas are all about. Movies like "First Among Equals" do just that. The story is fiction but it highlights the realities of seeking high political office.

As far as this forum goes, I welcome all actors/actresses and the better they are at creating realistic personas, the better the debates should be.

As for my "Leongsam" persona it will morph and change to suit the times. Don't expect me to ever reveal the "real me" if there is such a thing in the first place.
 
PS: Those who think that clones are created to boost the "traffic" don't know what they're talking about.

"Traffic" is only boosted when new eyeballs that have not visited before come in to play. Clones don't do that. They increase the number of posts but have no effect on the traffic stats.
 
Human knowledge is a forced and melded collection of incomplete truths due to our inability to record all observations and sensory input, let alone, organize and output them in the proper order of importance. Thus, humans all lie. Fake persona are also lies but can be useful in helping some people putting something that approaches truth or perceived truths. For the persona in question, it is just a farce. BTW, a Shanghainese would already be spewing vulgarities by now after all the attacks and would not bother about this forum if she was that opportunistic. Money and power talks best and SBF offers neither.
 
I am pretty sure nearly all rational people in this forum share the same thought.

We don't care if you are a holding Perm Sec grade pretending to be a retiree who is cantankerous and an obstinate nobody that rubs people the wrong way or a clerk pretending to be successful well travelled businessman. What counts is the ability to contribute meaningfully to any discussion ranging from trivia to the high brow. hjeA sincere desire to learn and help others learn.

What people will not accept is those who drive their discussions hinged essentially on the false persona. There is a big difference. Thankfully these are few and far between.

We of course tolerate clowns like the chap whose mother died twice but that is entertainment.




It does not matter to me if nicks pretend to be what they will never be in real life as long as the ensuing debate brings out valid points.

As for my "Leongsam" persona it will morph and change to suit the times. Don't expect me to ever reveal the "real me" if there is such a thing in the first place.
 
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