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Seah: WP is no more an aggressive party like during the days of JBJ. True?

Yes,,WP must wait,,but the anti WP establishment etc calls them PAP Lite and want they to launch suicidal attacks against PAP,,some of these arm chair critics are real assholes. But I do home WP confront the PAP more,,,but also being 5 MPs..I dont count NCMP one,,there is a limit they can do except bide their time,,,



To fight a big tyrant monster like the PAP, one must not jump head first and whack them.. Its and naive and suicidal..

Just look at what happened to the great JBJ.. As a lone ranger he went in towards the PAP in a gung ho attitude.. In footballing terms, He used a 1-1-9 all out attacking formation against LKY and the PAP.. PAP knowing his weakness launched massive retaliation on the poor JBJ.. He kena attacked left right and centre till bankrupt.. In the end it destroyed his political career..

The 6 WP MPs are responsible for the residents that voted for them.. They have a responsiblity first to the people of Hougang and Aljunied and not neccessarily towards the rest of the Sporeans living in other parts of PAP's controlled areas.. They have their limits as Oppo MPs..

6 vs 81.. No fight lah.. Even Bruce Lee cannot defeat 81 baddies in a fighting duel..

Want more Oppo voices in the Parliament, then vote more Oppos into Parliament in 2016..
 
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"In a similar vein then, when the playing field is not level and the goal posts keep shifting, you think they can do alot? Winning the Aljunied GRC is already a huge achievement. Being aggressive like in the old days is not going to work in the political climate of today. A firm, steadfast and principled approach is the best way forward to deal with the PAP. Results speak for itself!"

Good observation!
2011 PE provided us with a sliver lining.

2011 PE have shown that 30% are hardcore opposition supporters
and TCB middle-ground has about 35% supporters. It is this middle-ground
hotspot that all the Opposition Parties should focus their effort on.
A moderated and rational approach should provide the impetus to attract
these group of voters who are also the catalyst of change.
 
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Actually, even before the GE 2011, WP was practically moving in the same strategy it did today. Strategy wise, WP from 2001 to 2011 was the same as 2011 to present.

Vocality wise, there was a lot more heard from WP after 2011 compared to 2001 to 2011 - only because it has more MPs now.

Yet it was after 2011 that WP's performance was an issue when from 2001 to 2011, it was not. The maths has to be wrong somewhere.

My own guess is that some of these WP or opposition supporters became supporters only at the GE 2011 period within that few days or weeks.
 

What Pritam said was absolute rubbish. He could be more aggressive without getting into trouble. There is just no excuse.
If what Pritam said was true, then its pointless voting him in to begin with because he was put there to be a voice.
The truth is, all of them have already been bought over by PAP. Its a political scam and show.

Support NSP and SDP instead if you want a real voice. WP is just wasting time.


I'm sure if WP have 30 over MPs in Parliament, then we can see a more agressive WP challenging the PAP in lively Parliamentary debates.. For now WP must not jump the gun and hantam the PAP so directly.. As I said, its suicidal for only 6 WP MPs to do battle against 81 PAP scums..

Just look at JBJ.. After he had went thru so much for people like You, voters like you will still give your votes to the PAP in every GE..:D

SDP's Vincent is a good man.. People like him should be voted into Parliament.. Can see that he's genuinely concern for the plight of his countrymen..

But many Sporeans are still uncomfortable with the confrontational method of the SDP.. Human rights issues, gay and lesbian issues, death penalty issue.. Look most Sporeans don't really give a damn to the plight of the numerous convicts that we have inside the Changi gallows.. They die their business..

The same with the gay issues.. Poking backsides in Spore is a taboo subject.. Most Sporeans are not really into this backside poking thing.. SDP should concentrate more on the bread and butter issues.. When SDP already gained the trust of the people like what the WP had successfully done, then there'll good chances of them being elected to Parliament in 2016..

I'm not anti SDP and I would love to see a good man like Vincent being elected to Parliament as an MP one day..
 
Yes,,WP must wait,,but the anti WP establishment etc calls them PAP Lite and want they to launch suicidal attacks against PAP,,some of these arm chair critics are real assholes. But I do home WP confront the PAP more,,,but also being 5 MPs..I dont count NCMP one,,there is a limit they can do except bide their time,,,

Yes Bro Hypo, agree with you..

WP have gone a long way since the days of JBJ as the Party Chief..

I also would love WP to hantam PAP abit more but with their limited resources against the PAP juggernaut, its always goin to be hard task for Towkay Low and co..

Low is a crafty tactician.. He'll know when to strike and when not to strike against the PAP..

Its only 2012.. 4 more years to go.. Rome wasn't built in a day.. Lets all not go on a panic mode and feeling anxious about the WP's performance in Parliament so far..
 
Yes,,WP must wait,,but the anti WP establishment etc calls them PAP Lite and want they to launch suicidal attacks against PAP,,some of these arm chair critics are real assholes. But I do home WP confront the PAP more,,,but also being 5 MPs..I dont count NCMP one,,there is a limit they can do except bide their time,,,

Who's calling for WP to "launch suicidal attacks against PAP"? Any names for us? :rolleyes:
 
What Pritam said was absolute rubbish. He could be more aggressive without getting into trouble. There is just no excuse.
If what Pritam said was true, then its pointless voting him in to begin with because he was put there to be a voice.
The truth is, all of them have already been bought over by PAP. Its a political scam and show.

Support NSP and SDP instead if you want a real voice. WP is just wasting time.

I thought you are supporting PAP. Why are you asking us to vote for NSP and SDP?
 
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The East scored better is because WP soften the ground for 20 years. WP lost every election except Hougang at GE1991 and only won more at GE2011.

When SDP won at Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central at GE1991, everybody say West and North were easy but WP never went there but still stick with the difficult East. When SDP lost all Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central at GE1997, SDP made West and North harder as voters lost confidence in all Opposition post GE1997. SDP was the biggest culprit.

At GE2011, WP regain back some lost confidence in Opposition. Just because WP refuse to follow SDP style and TTR style to go on hunger strikes, protest and to oppose everything PAP say, TTR say WP is PAP's partner. Why force WP to follow TTR's style ? TTR is dictator ??

TTR is a PAP website with the objective of sowing discord among alternative parties and create confusion among the Opposition supporters.

TTR's main job is to prevent WP from growing huge enough to rival PAP for government.

If WP fail to grow, stuck with just Hougang and Aljunied or even shrink like SDP in 1990s-2000s, then TTR would have reach its objective.

Another method to keep PAP as government is that TTR wants every alternative party to grow and rival WP instead. This scenario PAP wins as alternative parties take turns playing the musical chairs to growa and shrink but never grow huge enough to rival PAP for government and change the PAP policies. This is playing one alternative party against each other. Very evil and Anti-Singaporean tactic. This happen between throughout 1980s-2000s when SDP and WP took turns to grow and shrink and PAP happily remain as government.

A real Opposition supporter will build on what WP has already so that one day WP can contest all areas in Singapore and seriously bid to be Singapore government.

Even if WP is PAP 'B' Team as smeared by TTR, Opposition supporters should vote WP. It is better to vote for pirated PAP then genuine PAP. lol. Pirated PAP at least have unforseeable screens at times in the drama, unpredictable. Genuine PAP, we all know what genuine PAP is capable of already.

Yes, WP has flaws and weaknesses but which political party does not have flaws and weaknesses ? WP is Singaporean's best hope now for some salvation to change PAP policies. Only power talks in Singapore.

Give WP the power of government first then policies can be change. Judge WP as a government, no point passing judgements on WP now as Opposition because it is not WP policies and WP affecting Singaporean lives, it is PAP and PAP policies ruining Singaporean lives.
 
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The only PAP 'B' Team Singaporeans witness past 20 years is SDP and Dr Chee.

Dr Chee broke up a perfectly growing SDP under Chiam See Tong and lost all 3 seats at GE1997 that was won at GE1991 under Chiam See Tong's SDP.

This is because Chee's SDP decide to focus on making as much inaccurate noise in Parliament, being aggressive in Parliament, exposing SDP to lawsuits , conducting civil disobedience and getting arrested rather than running town councils and bonding with residents via grassroots.

The loss caused Singaporeans to lose faith in Opposition for 20 years untl GE2011 when WP made a difficult breakthrough. PAP kept harping Opposition cannot run a SMC let alone a GRC because of SDP's loss at GE1997. SDP almost destroyed Opposition Cause with their antics.

Civil disobedience, bankruptcy, arrests, lawsuits etc gave Opposition a bad image and reminded Singaporeans to fear PAP even more. SDP actually made PAP more feared and more powerful instead and Singaporeans felt more hopeless.

Many good people wanted to join Opposition but seeing Dr Chee's situation decided not to. This lack of good people joining Opposition gave many Walkovers to PAP for 20 years in every elections. SDP only gave Walkovers to Singaporeans at elections because CSJ and gang kept getting barred from elections because of their antics.

What choice, what democracy, what rights, what hope, what change, what impact and what freedom did SDP gave Singaporeans past 20 years ? Nothing at all.

Democracy is not just freedom to have civil disobedience but democracy is also about giving people choice to change governments in elections, not change Opposition parties.

Now PAP once again wants to unleash the Kraken in CSJ to confuse and disrupt alternative parties progress from GE2011 by agreeing to give discount from $500,000 to $30,000 so that CSJ can take part in elections. Destructive, disruptive and history repeats itself.

SPP at least kept one seat in Parliament for 15 years after GE1997 and never got voted out and lose seats before GE2011. SPP was already small and weak when Chiam started it. 15 years down the road under different political landscape, SPP did contest one GRC at least. One less than SDP only who under Chee did not grow much too despite having longer time of brand name.

It took Chiam and SDP 15 years to win 3 seats at GE1991. So how can you say SDP would not have grown under Chiam when SDP did grew under Chiam at GE1991.

Not even WP lost seats before. JBJ was disqualified from Parliament after being charged and Yaw Shin Leong was sacked by WP. None was voted out.

SDP under Dr Chee after GE1997 past 15 years got voted out of Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central, never grow but got smaller and did not even win any seats. You call this good record ?

It is not grandmother's story but true facts. No Singaporean Opposition Supporter want to sacrifice another 20 years and see no result from any Alternative Parties.

Technically and officially, somebody here said there is only one Opposition in Parliament which is WP because the rest are either NCMPs or alternative parties with no seats. Even to be Opposition, political parties need to win enough seats to be Opposition.

I still believe in growing only WP to be Government as fast as possible base on Hougang and Aljunied platforms. This is irregardless what other alternative parties try to pull off, antics and plans. Every party have its own style, voters will decide.

No point running down each alternative parties now. You can run down WP all you want ONLY after WP is government and be blamed for WP government policies. No point running down WP when it is not responsible for the mess in Singapore.

No more Alternative Parties Musical Chairs we seen last 47 years.

I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.

All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.

I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.

TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.

Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.

Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.

Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.

I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.

All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.

I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.

TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.

Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.

Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.

Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.
 
you want aggressive opp mp in parliament? vote for sdp, mighty dr chee soon juan.
 
I'm sure if WP have 30 over MPs in Parliament, then we can see a more agressive WP challenging the PAP in lively Parliamentary debates.. For now WP must not jump the gun and hantam the PAP so directly.. As I said, its suicidal for only 6 WP MPs to do battle against 81 PAP scums..
Absolute rubbish. Numbers don't count in verbal battles. What talking you? If they can't be a real voice now, why gove them any more voice? We give to SDP and NSP better.
BTW, they will never get 30 seats ever.



Just look at JBJ.. After he had went thru so much for people like You, voters like you will still give your votes to the PAP in every GE..:D
He got sued for slander, not for challenging PAP in parliament. One can always be a voice, be factual without slandering.



SDP's Vincent is a good man.. People like him should be voted into Parliament.. Can see that he's genuinely concern for the plight of his countrymen..
How you know he really good? WP Low Thia Kiang lied to the people, not good at all.

But many Sporeans are still uncomfortable with the confrontational method of the SDP.. Human rights issues, gay and lesbian issues, death penalty issue.. Look most Sporeans don't really give a damn to the plight of the numerous convicts that we have inside the Changi gallows.. They die their business..
Confrontational is good but Chee Soon Juan talking rubbish and definitely a liar, how to support unless he change? Chee will never win even when he stands cos his constituents will suffer. I may support his minions but not Chee.

The same with the gay issues.. Poking backsides in Spore is a taboo subject.. Most Sporeans are not really into this backside poking thing.. SDP should concentrate more on the bread and butter issues.. When SDP already gained the trust of the people like what the WP had successfully done, then there'll good chances of them being elected to Parliament in 2016..
WP lied to the people time and again, cannot be trusted.
 
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If I am with LTK and gang, I will suggest to lie low first until around 2015, then start taking a higher profile and give your best ideas on public policies and making loud noises on bad govt policies. At that time, PAP will not have sufficient time to react. Why would WP want to raise issues and propose good solutions now that will only help PAP improve their policies over the next 4 years? Also playing docile now will make only the PAP complacent, which will be to the benefit of WP eventually.

You've made an excellent point.
 
Actually, I don't know why WP supporters are arguing for WP's right to maintain silence. Look, the accusation here is total silence - is that true? If that was, I must have been seeing visions from the 2011 GE until now when I see updates and articles on WP's website, facebook and the MSM.
 
you want aggressive opp mp in parliament? vote for sdp, mighty dr chee soon juan.

Im shifting tent away fm WP. !st they want 1st World Parlam. Can they perform like J.Gillard or Cameron?
Im afraid NO; they are too afraid of FALLING DAGGERS. I believe, I said believe, that majority WP votes gained
were reluctant votes VS the PAP. Nothing great; sadly just too comfortable in Sgp culture.
 
Yes Bro Hypo, agree with you..

WP have gone a long way since the days of JBJ as the Party Chief..

I also would love WP to hantam PAP abit more but with their limited resources against the PAP juggernaut, its always goin to be hard task for Towkay Low and co..

Low is a crafty tactician.. He'll know when to strike and when not to strike against the PAP..

Its only 2012.. 4 more years to go.. Rome wasn't built in a day.. Lets all not go on a panic mode and feeling anxious about the WP's performance in Parliament so far..

Seah Chiang Nee as much as he is respected, is naive on this point. JBJ/WP is not only different from LTK/WP, the PAP/LKY is also different from PAP/LHL. Going into the details will be too boring for the supposedly clever ones.

The PAP has even softened its approach on SDP. Those who find SDP a lot different and a lot more befitting of a real opposition title are just falling into the trap people want them to fall into.
 
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