Gurkha Contingent In Sgp

[Kohliantye]

Gurkhas are nothing more than mercenary dogs. They will provide security to the highest bidder. There is no honour in that.

The present day members of the Gurkha Contingent is no match to their forefathers who came here after the disbandment of the Sikh Contingent housed at Pearls Hill Barracks.

The older Gurkhas were a disciplined lotwhile at work. Their presence at the former premises of the Board of Commissioner of Currency building close to the old General Post Office (now Fullerton Hotel) was a sight that could instil fear into anyone.

However, the old timers had their weaknesses too but not as glaring as those found in the newer ones at Mt Vernon.

It was common to see them "high" on Ngo Kar Pee and Boon Quee Loh (Orang Tua) Chinese alcohol during their off days.

They also had the habit of purchasing illegal 4-d bets from illegal syndicate operators in the former Lorong Koo Chye kampongs.

On off days they could be seen in the back-lanes of Desker Road.

However, frankly the newer ones are much more worse in terms of discipline and endurance.

They have far worse weaknesses then their older counterparts.

It is common to see them in taxis with their Filipinas heading for a Geylang hotel to get laid.

Local taxi drivers have overheard these young Gurkhas boasting to the Filipina harlots about their place of work and job scope.

Surely, these "unholy skirts" are able to "extract" lots of sensitive information from these young hillbillies.

Who knows, these hookers may even be like the Russian Sparrows in the employ of some foreign embassy.

The word "loyalty" also does not hold water anymore.

Like others, these people are very materialistic. They like new handphones and other gadgets too. They can succumb to the glitter to gold and money.

Their traditional "kukri" today is just a symbol. It is best used during the annual "Dussehra" festival when they behead cows inside Mt vernon Camp.

Do we really need such "liabilities" here in our midst?[/COLOR]

 

[eatshitndie]

as for ppl who claimed gurkhas are loyal, i disagree. my school near to mt vernon and there plenty of time my school kenna lock down because the gurkhas run amok inside mt vernon. booing of our national anthem occurs regularly.

how true. they were booing anything stinkapore decades ago. they are never loyal to sg, only to their own and money. mercenary is the right word. anybody who thinks they are in sg to protect the sinkie populace is delusional.

 

[eatshitndie]

Gurkhas hoot with sinkie 1st Commando bn who win? Or call in the SOF if red berets cmi....sinkies got fighting chance?

decades ago, gurkhas will win hands down. times have changed. sg commando units have so many spec op units and specialists trained for years with us elite forces and advanced spec op tactics and weapons that gurhkas will not know what hit them in today's valuation. it's not just pure bravery, stubborness, grit and unit loyalty anymore. that's old school. at the spec op level in the new school, it's speed, stealth, skill, strategy, special tactics and weapons, and synchronization (as a team). it's almost second nature when the teams train so intensely and cohesively for years. the same intensity and tactical advancement are not evident with gurkha training.

 

[roadrunner]

Here is a framework that might help to address the issue.

1. Do we agree that the Victoria Cross is the highest award for bravery and not for frying kway teow.
2. Since the 1911 when they became eligible, 13 Gurkhas have been awarded the VC.
3. The British Army has Commandos, SAS and SBS. They too have won VCs.
4. Can we assume that that our Commandos and SOC are of the same standard.

there's a problem with this type of comparison, VC is for bravery in the face of enemy, no doubt Gurkhas are very brave & face their enemies head on in a conventional battle, the problem arises when comparing special forces, sometimes they do not fight "properly" i.e. they do not face their enemies head on, they operate behind lines & specialise in sabotage or guerrilla warfare, hit & run tactics. Some are not even awarded or recognised becos their missions were hush hush. Now when you want to compare Singapore Cdo etc.. how to compare? do they have battle experience even with all the advance training they do? but if you compare them against the Singapore Contingent Gurkhas, i would imagine the SAF Cdos would come out better simply becos they have more technical knowledge, are they braver than the Singapore Gurkhas? who knows! By the way, do SAF troops qualify for VC since Gahmen is so hell bent on being Neutral?

 

[eatshitndie]

Yes you are spot on scroobal, as always. I trained with two GPC Sgts in Brunei conducted by the British Army in Tutong, Brunei in the late 1970s (codenamed EX OilPainting). They were sent there to be trained as Jungle training instructors, and I must say that I did not see that they lacked any military tactics, in fact, they were as good or better than their British counterparts in terms of military tactics (although they were supposed to be policemen). And can I admit, they were much better than any of us, SAF personnel in terms of their discipline, stamina, endurance and alertness, and loyalty (?).

you chaps are old school. that was so many years ago. remember that now is 2012. all those old solid gungho gurkhas have retired. the new gen has atrophied, has attitude and live in a very different world today. too many lao jiao sinkies who glorify about the past need to move on. you guys still live in the past.

 

[eatshitndie]

They might be good mountain & rough terrain people but let's see if they are any good at swimming & watermanship, during the Falklands conflict, the Brits sent Gurkhas to the Falklands, all of them had terrible seasickness on the way there on the ship, i remember seeing it on the news, their faces were a sad sight & they couldn't wait to get on dry land!

on dry land, they did a marvelous job on the argentinians.

 

[sleaguepunter]

on dry land, they did a marvelous job on the argentinians.

the gurkhas remained at sea until the argies surrender. all the fighting were done by the marine commandos.

that conflict totally expose the deficiency of a comscript army.

SAF shd revolve from a large force (350k out of 2m+ ang teng ki) to a full voluntary force. It cheaper and with modern weapons, a small but well trained and motivated force can overwhelmed a large force as showed by the brits commandos.

 

[eatshitndie]

the gurkhas remained at sea until the argies surrender. all the fighting were done by the marine commandos.

that conflict totally expose the deficiency of a comscript army.

i remember seeing a report and photos of gurkhas charging a trench position of argies in the falklands. or was that just british propaganda and deception?

agree with you that a professional army is way more effective and lethal in terms of value.

 

[spotter542]

that one(Bkt Timah) i'm not sure, if it's true, where do they receive their "BMT" training?

You will not believe it BUT they trained at P. Tekong.
Saw quite a number of them in No. 4 with rifle during my last 3 ICT about 7 - 8 years ago.

Obviously they are not there to protect the Camp Commandant

 

[eatshitndie]

the gurkhas remained at sea until the argies surrender. all the fighting were done by the marine commandos.

gurkhas did land on the falklands, and they actually trailed the scots guards while scots took tumbledown. they had to wait for scots to clear tumbledown before taking mount william, and for that they had to pass the welsh guards to reach mount william and then on to sapper hill. however, by the time the gurkhas reached mount william, the argies had already retreated. there were no trench fights or combat actions between gurkhas and argies except for some taking of prisoners from argie reserves. british commanders wrote about the gurkhas' disappointment.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

you chaps are old school. that was so many years ago. remember that now is 2012. all those old solid gungho gurkhas have retired. the new gen has atrophied, has attitude and live in a very different world today. too many lao jiao sinkies who glorify about the past need to move on. you guys still live in the past.

those old ones now employed as security guards in JB to jaga the condos belonging to sinkies......
heard that back then the gurkhas cut of the ears of enemies and string them to wear like necklaces around their necks......not to look garang but to get paid by the number of kills.

 

[sleaguepunter]

gurkhas did land on the falklands, and they actually trailed the scots guards while scots took tumbledown. they had to wait for scots to clear tumbledown before taking mount william, and for that they had to pass the welsh guards to reach mount william and then on to sapper hill. however, by the time the gurkhas reached mount william, the argies had already retreated. there were no trench fights or combat actions between gurkhas and argies except for some taking of prisoners from argie reserves. british commanders wrote about the gurkhas' disappointment.

so they did landed before the island was secured but it true they didnt engaged any argies units.

the fighting skill of the gurkhas are overhype by the brits but with the new reduction of the british army to 100K men by 2016, many famous regiments will have to mothball their regimental flags as the units were disband. The brigade of gurkhas will be badly hit by this RIF. so much for being a loyal mercenary.

many gurkhas who "retired" from BA either go back nepal or joined security firms such as blackwater. Some officers type will seek employment in sultan private army. like lky, sultan trust his gurkhas more than his own countrymen. other than sultan private army, the BA also station a battlion of gurkhas rifle in brunei whose upkeep was paid by the sultan.

 

[wrcboi]

so they did landed before the island was secured but it true they didnt engaged any argies units.

the fighting skill of the gurkhas are overhype by the brits but with the new reduction of the british army to 100K men by 2016, many famous regiments will have to mothball their regimental flags as the units were disband. The brigade of gurkhas will be badly hit by this RIF. so much for being a loyal mercenary.

many gurkhas who "retired" from BA either go back nepal or joined security firms such as blackwater. Some officers type will seek employment in sultan private army. like lky, sultan trust his gurkhas more than his own countrymen. other than sultan private army, the BA also station a battlion of gurkhas rifle in brunei whose upkeep was paid by the sultan.

totally agree...they definitely over hyped....any poor, hungry and desperate villagers would definitely fight for food and money ruthlessly......ask the Nepalese, Indians, Pakistani, Bangedeshis and they will tell you the same thing.....

some indians even called them door man........

 

[wikiphile]

it's convenient and expedient for them to use saf facilities and resources to train on certain tactics and procedures. but they don't go into armor, artillery, or combat engineer roles let alone navy or air force. they are trained as "paramilitary" and not as full military combat units.

no no u misunderstood, i didn't saw Gurhkas in APCs. Gurhkas are used as light infantry anyways

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Gurkha_Rifles

 

[wikiphile]

you chaps are old school. that was so many years ago. remember that now is 2012. all those old solid gungho gurkhas have retired. the new gen has atrophied, has attitude and live in a very different world today. too many lao jiao sinkies who glorify about the past need to move on. you guys still live in the past.

Here is something interesting. The children of the Gurkhas (especially those who have gained the right to study in Singapore, males have to leave when they turn 18) wants to take on their father's trade since the economic prospects in Nepal is quite dismal.

Unfortunately, the years of a comfortable life in Singapore takes its toll on them. Most of them usually do not make the cut during the selection exercise held every 2 years. The ones who make the cut are not the always the fittest or smartest, it is to the most well motivated and hungriest who will do whatever they can to secure a position as a Gurkha.

 

[eatshitndie]

no no u misunderstood, i didn't saw Gurhkas in APCs. Gurhkas are used as light infantry anyways

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Gurkha_Rifles

yup, someone pointed out. there's a difference between mechanized infantry and motorized infantry. there's also a slight diff between apc and afv.