Many PR scums choose to avoid NS.

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National Service a key indicator of integration: study

SINGAPORE: A new study has placed National Service (NS) as a key indicator of integration for foreigners.

The report by the Institute of Policy Studies (IPS) seeks to examine what immigrants ought to do in order to be regarded as a full participating member of Singapore society.

The study covered some 2,000 local and foreign born citizens. Half of the new citizens got their citizenship just 10 years ago or earlier.

They were asked several questions on what they thought were social markers of integration. Such as - should a new citizen be gainfully employed, complete NS or be married to a local - to be seen as a Singaporean?

The study showed some perceptual gaps, which researchers said are cause for fault-lines within the community.

The biggest area of incongruence - that the son of a new citizen undergoes NS.

About 70 per cent of Singaporeans feel it is an important indicator of integration, while only about 40 per cent of new citizens think so.

IPS said about a third of them choose not to do so


Research Fellow at the Institute of Policy Studies, Dr Leong Chan-Hoong, said: Of course, there are consequences to the NS-liable Permanent Resident who skip NS.

"So for example, they won't be granted a work visa or be considered for a permanent residency application again in the future.

But the hard truth is that while they are a PR in Singapore, they would have enjoyed all the benefit, all the privileges of being a PR and then when it comes to the time for them to perform their national obligation, they skip town all together.

"So for the Singaporeans who diligently perform and complete their National Service, it's actually very unfair to them."


In a statement to Channel NewsAsia, the Defence Ministry said NS-liable PRs or new citizens who choose not to serve would have committed an offence under the Enlistment Act and treated as defaulters.

They could face the maximum penalty of a S$10,000 fine and three years' jail term.

Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen told parliament on November 2011 that over the past five years, about 8,800 males who had become permanent residents under the sponsorship of their parents were enlisted for and served NS.

In that same period, about 4,200 males who had become PRs, renounced their PR status prior to serving NS.

MINDEF added that first generation PRs who are able to contribute to Singapore economically immediately upon the grant of PR status are administratively exempted from NS.

If they obtain Singapore Citizenship subsequently, they continue to be exempted.

The children of such PRs or new citizens though, must serve NS and will be enlisted after the age of 18.

"Their failure to serve NS will be taken into account when they subsequently apply to study or work in Singapore, or when they try to have their PR status reinstated," added the ministry.

But Dr Leong Chan-Hoong said more can be done.

"To preserve the sanctity and legitimacy of this social institution, it is important that we look at this issue further.

"Perhaps we can consider some kind of a security bond imposed on the second generation Permanent Resident, so for example, at the age of 12 or 13, the government could consider imposing some kind of bond which is similar or comparable to what Singaporeans would have to pay if they send their kids to study overseas and if the PRs choose not to fulfill their national obligation, then this amount of the bond money would be forfeited."

The other top areas of divergent viewpoints are: a new citizen getting on well with workplace colleagues, being gainfully employed, and having the ability to speak conversational English.

More Singaporeans than new immigrants feel these are all important attributes for integration.

The study also showed that Singaporeans who tend to be less inclusive are tertiary educated, come from the middle income group, have strong family ties and are more nationalistic.

Researchers said it boils down to the group that feel the most threatened by the presence of foreigners.

However, the study also showed that Singaporeans embrace multi-racialism.

The study showed they do not expect foreigners to discard their cultural identity, even as these foreigners embrace core beliefs held by Singaporeans, such as meritocracy and religious tolerance.

On the policy implications of the study, researchers said the Singapore Armed Forces may need to reach out more at the community level, for example, in convincing first generation new citizens of the value of NS.

They added that more could also be done to facilitate the learning of English among foreigners.

They have also called for more transparency in data on immigration.

These include details on specific sectors foreigners are employed in and the criteria for obtaining a PR status.

Researchers added businesses should also think about programmes to improve workplace relations between Singaporeans and foreigners.

And because the issue of foreigners is such an emotive one in Singapore, Director of the Behavioural Sciences Institute, from the School of Social Sciences at the Singapore Management University, Professor David Chan, said policy makers should not simply take a rational approach when addressing concerns.

"I think it is very important not just for government but all parties to recognise that emotions are not a bad thing. The important issue is first to understand the origin of this emotion, what is the nature of this emotion? Why do people feel that way, recognise the intensity of the emotions and understand the cognitive and the behavioural implications of the emotions.

"In other words, if people feel this way, with this intensity, what is the likelihood that people would think in another way or think in a particular way or act in a particular way. And that should be part of the policy consideration and part of the long term interest of the people because it affects the national resilience of the country," said Prof Chan.

About a quarter of Singapore's total population is now made up of foreigners. And recent studies show that Singapore needs to continue with its open immigration policy to address the country's ageing population and falling birth rate.

- CNA/cc/ck
 
It is quite telling that of the 13,000 males who had become PR, 30% choose to give up prior to 18 (upon serving NS).
Many foreign parents may not fully understand the implications or consequences for their children when they apply for PR or citizenship.
Some may (naively) believe that they can get around NS liability for their sons by sending them abroad for schooling at an early age.
They will be gravely mistaken if they believe this as ICA works in close collaboration with Mindef and keep detailed records of all 2nd generation (male) PRs and new citizens.

One thing is for sure, if not for NS liability, the numbers renouncing their PR/citizenship would be a lot lower. The bottom line is; you cannot expect to reap the benefits and rewards of citizenship without undertaking the associated NS responsibilities.
 
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The bottom line is; you cannot expect to reap the benefits and rewards of citizenship without undertaking the associated NS responsibilities.


I know of an indonesian mother who chose to have her baby in a Spore hospital. That was 18+ years ago & although the son is living & working in Indonesia the Spore authorities sent him a NS letter. She asked her Sporean friends for advice on whether the son should take up Sporean citizenship. The response she received was a unanimous "NO":D

We all know that NS is a form of exploitation of it's citizens by the PAP. Foreigner are not stupid & will either chose to go home or chose to go somewhere that will not exploit them e.g. Australia, Canada, US, etc. Many Sporeans know this & that's why they have voted with their feet.
 
They already integrated...LOL!

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The study also showed that Singaporeans who tend to be less inclusive are tertiary educated, come from the middle income group, have strong family ties and are more nationalistic.

conclusion: sinkies better not be highly educated so that they are more daft and can obey everything that the government says like the gospel truth.
 
Who really want to serve NS if it was voluntary.
Imagine 2 year in NS.
Lose by the NSman
1. Salary on average lose about $70k or more in 2 year.
2. Lost 2 year working experience that another about $200/month salary increase.

So doesn't make sense. What does they get in return?
Ask minister to answer. If calculate all the benefit they work for 2 year they lose about $100k. Better than any grant they get from buying HDB.
 
Chief culprits are the fucktard Pinoys and the Global Pundeks from India..

This is their clever tactics..

Foreign Scum Pariah from Indian village comes to Spore to work in an IT company

After few years, he would apply for PR and bring his young family from Madras village to come to Spore.. Whole family then received PRs..

Then they'll buy a HDB flat from the resale market..

Pundek would send his young fucktard kids in a school, most probably the Global Indian Int'L school..

When son turns 15, 16, bloody Pundek Senior sell his HDB flat for a profit.. Senior Pundek would then quickly book 4 Air India tickets to go back home.. Before that, Senior Pundek and his family would renounce their PRs..

Upon reaching Mumbai, Bloody Pundek would purchase a big bungalow and land using his profits from the sale of his HDB flat..

Pundek family so happy and contented in their life, sitting at the garden of their Mumbai bungalow like a Maharaja sipping afternoon tea and eating chapati and thanking the PAP for making them rich..

Meanwhile back in Spore, young Sinkie teens board the ferry to Tekong to do their BMT.. Few of their moms shedding silent tears of sadness watching their sons answering the call of the Nation.. if they are unlucky, their son will be returning home in bodybag after suffering heart failure during BMT training..
 
The study is pure hogwash. In any other place, the government of the day will be facing a major rebellion if they allow a huge influx of outsiders into a small area with an established population within a short period of time.

Most SGreans can trace their history in SG back a few decades or even a few centuries. The new arrivals have at most a ten or twenty-year history with SG. The only way this would work is if most of the inhabitants of SG have arrived within the last few decades and SG is big enough to accommodate the new arrivals. This is because there will always be contention for scarce resources and it makes sense to drive away outsiders first before deciding if it is necessary to fight among yourselves.

In places like US, Australia and NZ, you can see the native populations trying to fight the new arrivals and losing out due to their lack of numbers and inferior technology. The question is whether SGreans are willing to suffer the same fate? Once the new arrivals become the majority on the island, there will be no turning back.
 
Who really want to serve NS if it was voluntary.
Imagine 2 year in NS.
Lose by the NSman
1. Salary on average lose about $70k or more in 2 year.
2. Lost 2 year working experience that another about $200/month salary increase.

So doesn't make sense. What does they get in return?
Ask minister to answer. If calculate all the benefit they work for 2 year they lose about $100k. Better than any grant they get from buying HDB.

Cue the useless Sinkies who argue that NS is a "rite of passage where boys mature into men" and "physical regimen provides great health benefits to our modern, sedentary lifestyle". Sinkies are very good at rationalising on behalf of their exploiters. :D
 
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