Singapore in 2050 - A Chinese Protectorate

[Leongsam]

Re: Op Desert Storm

Why ? I don't think so unless M'sia wanted to attack Sinkiesland like what the late Saddam tried to claim back its lost piece of land - Kuwait.

Malaysia won't invade Singapore. Singapore was never supposed to be a sovereign state in the first place. It's nothing more than a temporary aberration.

Sooner or later, the status quo will return and the Island will be just another state of Malaysia.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Re: Temp Peace

That's why the commies are pushing the northern language to polarize them into 'Chinese'. This kind of unity will eventually destroy their heritage, culture and language in the long run. Fujian may be facing an uphill task to protect our ancient languages - some young gen can't speak. Jialat lor.

As long as there's a Saddam for China, there will be a temporary peace. Take that away and the country will split.

It's not exactly a commie phenomena. If you watch Martin Jacques: Understanding the rise of China ; he was talking about Han race as a rallying point.In that respect communism is a better focal point since equality regardless of race,language or religion is stressed.

Hence,my bone of contention is the right balance of cultural-ism.Meaning people love you for what you can depart.We love Caucasian culture or their indoctrination.Our everyday life revolves around it.Hence superior culture and not superior race will rule the world.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Re: Op Desert Storm

Malaysia won't invade Singapore. Singapore was never supposed to be a sovereign state in the first place. It's nothing more than a temporary aberration.

Sooner or later, the status quo will return and the Island will be just another state of Malaysia.

Malaysia nor Indonesia does not need to invade Singapore.I don't see any tangible or intangible benefits for either of them.instead Singapore as a sovereign state benefits both.It's just like China with HK or Malaysia with Labuan as a tax-haven......a little corner tucked away among the Malay Archipelago provides relief for both malaysia and Indonesia populace.

 

[Leongsam]

Re: Op Desert Storm

Malaysia nor Indonesia does not need to invade Singapore.I don't see any tangible or intangible benefits for either of them.instead Singapore as a sovereign state benefits both.It's just like China with HK or Malaysia with Labuan as a tax-haven......a little corner tucked away among the Malay Archipelago provides relief for both malaysia and Indonesia populace.

Singapore will run out of puff. The eventual reunion is inevitable.

 

[Fook Seng]

Malaysia won't invade Singapore. Singapore was never supposed to be a sovereign state in the first place. It's nothing more than a temporary aberration.

Sooner or later, the status quo will return and the Island will be just another state of Malaysia.

At the beginning, yes. But after almost 50 years of developing in separate ways, it is impossible except by a military take-over. Don't think they have what it takes to do it. Even the Old Man has given up this thought.

 

[scroobal]

It is no longer fashionable or necessary to annex other states especially one without highly dependent natural resources such as oil. It much easier to take a stake in the economy of the target country by buying into key businesses.

Singapore will evolve into a high class public toilet stop and convenience shop. People will come here to strike deals, park their dirty money, keep their mistresses etc just like Monaco.

Well do SIngaporean families by then would have secured a second home in a first world countries but come back to take a whack at the economy pie lie all FTs.

Instead of worrying about Singapore, everyone should start to plan their move to secure the future of their loved. The irony is that this forum is run by one such individual. A nice home, boat and lifestyle in a beautiful but the business is dependent on SIngaporean's patronage.

 

[tonychat]

It is no longer fashionable or necessary to annex other states especially one without highly dependent natural resources such as oil. It much easier to take a stake in the economy of the target country by buying into key businesses.

Singapore will evolve into a high class public toilet stop and convenience shop. People will come here to strike deals, park their dirty money, keep their mistresses etc just like Monaco.

Well do SIngaporean families by then would have secured a second home in a first world countries but come back to take a whack at the economy pie lie all FTs.

Instead of worrying about Singapore, everyone should start to plan their move to secure the future of their loved. The irony is that this forum is run by one such individual. A nice home, boat and lifestyle in a beautiful but the business is dependent on SIngaporean's patronage.

It is no longer fashionable for hypocrite coward to post in this forum, act like an dictator but subliminally beg for points... useless sinkie

 

[looneytan]

subliminally beg for points... useless sinkie

PM people for points better la, hor!

fuck you la :oIo::oIo:

 

[Sideswipe]

That is if you assume China's Communist Party dynasty to last that long.

It is more likely the Chinese Communist Party loses its grip on power, and all the outlying autonomous ethnic minority regions break off and declare independence or merge with another country (e.g. Mongolia). It's just like what happened to the Soviet Union.

China will lose Xinjiang, Tibet, Yunnan, Qinghai, western Sichuan, most of Guangxi, most of Inner Mongolia, and the provinces north of Liaoning.
And of course, Taiwan too. Taiwan can also declare independence, because China can't take care of its own backyard.

some provinces you listed are now Han-Chinese majority. don't think the regions will entirely break away from China even if they had a choice.

i like to see a Federation of Chinese states in future. maybe Singapore can join too.

 

[The Philistine]

...i like to see a Federation of Chinese states in future. maybe Singapore can join too.

"The Federation of Chinese States" sounds more appealing than "The Malayan Federation" or "The Federation of Indian States". Life will be better for all if people generally stick to their own kind. People won't have to suffer the incessant wailing and moaning from politically correct twits every time somebody speaks his mind.

 

[akunei]

That is if you assume China's Communist Party dynasty to last that long.

It is more likely the Chinese Communist Party loses its grip on power, and all the outlying autonomous ethnic minority regions break off and declare independence or merge with another country (e.g. Mongolia). It's just like what happened to the Soviet Union.

China will lose Xinjiang, Tibet, Yunnan, Qinghai, western Sichuan, most of Guangxi, most of Inner Mongolia, and the provinces north of Liaoning.
And of course, Taiwan too. Taiwan can also declare independence, because China can't take care of its own backyard.

Highly unlikely that your assumption will come true. Almost impossible for the next 50 years. most Chinese in china still happy with their government and stand in line with their position in protecting territorial rights. if they let go one province, then what u predicted could have happened. That's why the prc govt will never give in even an inch when it comes to that.

 

[gatehousethetinkertailor]

If accede to China must then amend and restate original terms - will Malaysia ever allow such proximity with its borders?

AN AGREEMENT RELATING TO THE SEPARATION OF SINGAPORE FROM MALAYSIA AS AN INDEPENDENT AND SOVEREIGN STATE

ARTICLE V
The parties hereto will enter into a treaty on external defence and mutual assistance providing that: —

(1)the parties hereto will establish a joint defence council for purposes of external defence and mutual assistance;

(2)the Government of Malaysia will afford to the Government of Singapore such assistance as may be considered reasonable and adequate for external defence, and in consideration thereof, the Government of Singapore will contribute from its own armed forces such units thereof as may be considered reasonable and adequate for such defense;

(3)the Government of Singapore will afford to the Government of Malaysia the right to continue to maintain the bases and other facilities used by its military forces within Singapore and will permit the Government of Malaysia to make such use of these bases and facilities as the Government of Malaysia may consider necessary for the purpose of external defense;

(4)each party will undertake not to enter into any treaty or agreement with a foreign country which may be detrimental to the independence and defence of the territory of the other party.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Agree...alaysia_as_an_independent_and_sovereign_state

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

That is if you assume China's Communist Party dynasty to last that long.

It is more likely the Chinese Communist Party loses its grip on power, and all the outlying autonomous ethnic minority regions break off and declare independence or merge with another country (e.g. Mongolia). It's just like what happened to the Soviet Union.

China will lose Xinjiang, Tibet, Yunnan, Qinghai, western Sichuan, most of Guangxi, most of Inner Mongolia, and the provinces north of Liaoning.
And of course, Taiwan too. Taiwan can also declare independence, because China can't take care of its own backyard.

china won't split up but india will.

 

[LeMans2011]

This is the best thing ever happen to Singapore men if the country became a Chinese Protectorate. No more NS, no more threat from neighbouring countries.

Yeah it suits your lifestyle perfectly. Pooing outside MRT station, making fake products to sell, and quarrelling with fishmongers.

 

[Ramseth]

If you look at through the timeline, true ancient China excluded Xingjiang, Qinhai and Xizhang (Tibet) on th west, Inner Mongolia on the north (half of old Mongolia), Heilonhjiang, Jilin and Lianing on north-east (collectively territories of old Manchuria). Going back another two thousand years, Yunnan wasn't even officially incorporated into China until Zhuge Liang invaded and conquered it from his base in Sichuan. Going back another thousand years, Guangxi, Guangdong, and Fujian weren't officially incorporated too. Macao was invented by Portugese after a grant of gift from Ming Dynasty. HK was invented by British after victory in Opium War. Taiwan wasn't officially incorporated into China too until Ming Dynasty when Portugese and Dutch fought over it and Zheng Chenggong was order to chase them all away as with navel advancements and Japanese and western progress and aggression, China realised that holding Taiwan was of strategic importance.

That was why too, the first thing Japanese demanded in their Jia-Wu war victory reparation, was possession of Taiwan. With the defence line of Japanese archipelago stretching from Kuriles through Okinawa to Taiwan, Japan would be uninvadable from mainland China. That's why the loss of Okinawa signalled the defeat of the Japs before the nukes. They were just too arrogant and stubborn and asked to be nuked.

 

[Unrepented]

Just add more ingredients to the whole dish to make it not palatable, eventhough it spoils the food, so that up north don't even want to consider consuming, lest it lead to stomach upset.

He's half right. Singapore will lose it's sovereign nation status sooner or later. However, it won't become a Chinese Protectorate. It will simply revert to being part of Malaysia.

 

[Conqueror]

Very Suspicious

At the beginning, yes. But after almost 50 years of developing in separate ways, it is impossible except by a military take-over. Don't think they have what it takes to do it. Even the Old Man has given up this thought.

Forget that dumb Lee who wanted a union with Malaya. He's a Peranakan not a Chinese. I really wonder whether he was a Han traitor. Why did he survive and not being executed ? Why he had a job with the help of the Jap ?

 

[Conqueror]

Barbaric North

That was why too, the first thing Japanese demanded in their Jia-Wu war victory reparation, was possession of Taiwan. With the defence line of Japanese archipelago stretching from Kuriles through Okinawa to Taiwan, Japan would be uninvadable from mainland China. That's why the loss of Okinawa signalled the defeat of the Japs before the nukes.

If the Manchu took Korea, then we may not have Kim's nuke or K-pop even.

 

[laksaboy]

Re: Barbaric North

In Singapore, patriots die and become a footnote in history.

Traitors become prime ministers and presidents.

 

[makapaaa]

Re: Barbaric North

On military ties with China and regional security
In an interview with The Straits Times on Thursday, Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen discussed a wide range of security and defence concerns. Here are some excerpts:
Is the new Chinese aircraft carrier a game changer for the region? 'I wouldn't restrict comments on China's modernisation on a single facet because modern militaries have a wide array of platforms. My view is that as countries grow economically, it is expected, even inevitable, that they would modernise their militaries.
'What we don't want to see obviously is an escalated arms race... that won't do us any good.'
What sort of long-term military relationship would Singapore have with China? Is it foreseeable that it might become similar in scope to the partnership with the US? 'We are building military-to-military ties with China and there is a template that militaries have that we are starting on. But it is qualitatively different from (the relationship with) the US.
'The US, I would say, is our closest security partner. I don't see any country displacing the US. There are just not that many militaries with the kind of capabilities the US has, and even if there were, we have such a long history with the US, where we built up trust and shared perspectives. So realistically speaking, no.'
What would the ideal regional security architecture look like? 'The better question is, what do you want the architecture to achieve? And we want it to be a platform for dialogue, and for practical cooperation that would lead to mutual understanding.'
But can multilateral meetings resolve what is at heart a series of bilateral mistrusts between key players? 'Are you better off with or without (the multilateral meetings)? And what are the alternatives? The (multilateral meetings) may not always function efficiently and expeditiously, but that's par for the course.'
United States closest defence partner of Singapore

Exchanges with China 'qualitatively different' [h=2]Published on Apr 7, 2012[/h]<!-- Copyright DoubleClick Inc., All rights reserved. --><!-- This code was autogenerated @ Thu Mar 22 08:51:32 EDT 2012 -->By Chua Chin Hon, US Bureau Chief

<!--start of story text-->WASHINGTON - Singapore has begun building closer defence ties with China, using a familiar template of joint exercises and mutual exchanges that is common to most military-to-military relations.
But the relationship remains 'qualitatively different' from the one with the United States (US), which is based on a longer history and shared perspectives on a range of regional issues, said visiting Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen.
The US has also been instrumental in helping to build up and hone the Singapore Armed Forces' capabilities over the years - a role he did not foresee being replaced by other countries.
'The US, I would say, is our closest security partner and I don't see any country displacing the US as that,' the minister said in a wide-ranging interview with The Straits Times