WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issue."

[skponggol]

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One of the most ridiculous reasons given by Hammerrhoid zombies for their political masters’ utter cowardice on the SMRT strike is that they have no ball to politicize the issue.


This is a lousy rotten excuse.


Vichy WP is a political organization, or at least a pseudo-political organization. The SMRT strike is a political issue can that only be resolved by politicians.


Yet, Vichy WP, a pseudo-political organisation, claims that they have no balls to talk a political issue in any political setting because they have no ball to politicise the issue ???


What’s next?.......A prostitute who dares not talk about sex to her customers inside the brothel because she dares not sexualise the issue ???


Vichy WP eunuchs are simply worse than any prostitute……..工人党的太监就是这样的溅 !

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[yellowarse]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

You want a response, don't look to WP.

NSP has spoken:

National Solidarity Party’s statement on the strike at SMRT

Published by The Online Citizen on November 29, 2012

<fb:like send="true" width="450" show_faces="false"></fb:like>PRESS RELEASE28 November 2012Singapore


The National Solidarity Party (NSP) regrets the strike action taken by some SMRT bus drivers. Whatever their grievances, their action unfortunately broke the law and the rule of law must be respected by all, Singaporeans or not.

However, it takes two hands to clap and in a conflict, it is seldom the fault of only one party. So far, responses to this incident have mostly focused on the illegal nature of the strike, so we would like to present the other side of the coin for a more balanced discussion.

What are the causes that led us to this breakdown in our labour relations?

We are in no position to comment on the competence of the management at SMRT, but its recent string of missteps in operations, emergency management, public relations and now human resource management does not augur well, and highlights our vulnerability with only two public transport operators running essentially two separate monopolies. NSP repeats its call for the inclusion of more private operators of public transport.

Given that communications between the management of SMRT and the drivers have broken down, what else could the drivers have done instead of going on strike?

Traditionally, unions are set up to protect the interest of employees. Group action and organization are necessary to balance the power of employers, and hence make it possible for negotiations to be conducted on a more equal footing, leading to fairer and sustainable outcomes.

Singapore has often touted its tri-partite model of labour relations management – employer, union and government – the three parties that supposedly check and balance each other. However, our National Trades Union Congress (NTUC) is so closely intertwined with the Government that it is difficult to tell them apart. NTUC’s response in this case is also identical to the Government stance. In the case of a Government-linked company, of which SMRT is one, all three parties are perceived as one and the same. So while we could say that the aggrieved workers should have approached the union or MOM for a resolution, we should also recognize that such a serious conflict of interest does not provide confidence to aggrieved workers that their rights and interest would be protected. It is often said that the legal system must not only be fair, but also be seen to be fair. The same principle applies here. We need a union that is independent, and also seen to be independent, from the Government.

The strikers have cited low pay and unbearable living conditions as reasons for their strike. If these were true, they are mitigating factors. While NSP has always objected to the Government’s liberal immigration policy, it is the policy to which we object, not the foreign workers personally. We have no wish to see foreign workers being mistreated and are against the rising income inequality in our society. We urge an open and fair investigation by the authorities despite the conflict of interest arising from the fact that SMRT is majority-owned by Temasek Holdings which is owned by Government.

We would also like to urge any drivers still on strike to return to work immediately in the interest of commuters, as well as in their own self interest.

Sincerely,

Hazel Poa
Secretary-General
On behalf of the Central Executive Committee

 

[melzp]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

I've said alrdy. WP are too comfortable in their seats; even with 16k per mth iron rice bowl.
They not only fail this time, not even after winning a GRC, but from the time of FT influx
which affects us citizens' jobs.................we hv to let u go, wp. No diff from PAP. You, Wp
are lickers n 2nd class of PAP. WHo doesn't want to be paid 16k, to attend occasional Parl. session
and mingle with constituents n running Town Council??
Pls do not call for 1st World Parliamentarism when you are not even close to that.

 

[yellowarse]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

SDP has spoken:

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Singapore Democrats Singapore's workers have been exploited for far too long. Since the detention of opposition and trade union leaders like Lim Chin Siong and the eradication of free trade unions together with the restructuring of the employment laws in the 1960s, the PAP has, together with Western neoliberals, systematically dismantled the legitimate rights of the Singaporean worker. While we have the highest number of millionaires per capita making us the richest country in the world, nearly 5 percent of our workers are paid $500 a month. Their wages have not risen in the last 10 years. The result is an enormous income inequality, the highest in the industrialised world. And while Singaporeans work the most number of hours, according to a survey by the International Labour Organisation, real wages continue to decline. This has made us one of the most stressful countries in Asia to work; our workers are among the unhappiest. Yet, we are governed by ministers who pay themselves the highest salaries in the world regardless of their performance. They are guided by an ideological adherence to the neoliberal idea of market fundamentalism which allows the rich unbridled power to amass vast fortunes that distort the market. As a result, Singapore's economic progress is held hostage by an elite which corners wealth at the expense of the rest of society. Such an arrangement is unsustainable and will eventually result in economic meltdown. The two-day strike carried out by SMRT bus drivers from China is a manifestation of the underlying problem. But while the Chinese Government has spoken up for the SMRT workers from China, Singaporean workers remain at the mercy of the PAP. Someone has to stand up for them. The SDP will work towards bringing our labour laws in accordance with international standards, allowing Singaporean workers to organise themselves free from the NTUC's control. Free trade cannot exist when one side does not have the freedom to organise and bargain. It is severely myopic to continue down the path of worker exploitation. Empowering our workers will enable them to feel more secure and facilitate a happier working environment. Studies show unequivocally that such a labour framework rapidly increases labour productivity, currently languishing at persistently worrying levels. Increasing wage levels by introducing a minimum wage also contributes significantly to a productive labour force, not to mention increasing workers' spending power. This will be good for the overall economy. The liberalisation and deregulation rules laid down by the Washington Consensus, to which the PAP so fervently subscribes, cannot be allowed to continue in Singapore. Singaporean workers, speaking with a unified voice, must seek to put an end to their own exploitation.

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[melzp]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

Thats more like it from SDP.
Our cries/noises hv fallen on PAP deaf ears n muted cb mouth. For
a decade or so, WP hv not battle hard enough on ft influx issues.
Thats why, we are thankful to the SMRT chinamen, who showed to the World,
the work/exploitation climate of Sgp(employers).

 

[yellowarse]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

WP are too comfortable in their seats; even with 16k per mth iron rice bowl.

WP's strategy is one-dimensional: work the ground, get the support of the heartland, get elected. But once they get into parliament their motto is, don't rock the boat. Survive for another 5 years, and sneak a few more MPs in at the next election. And so on.

That's why I've been telling SKPunggol that he's been barking up the wrong tree: no point looking to the WP to represent your interests in parliament. LTK did not survive for 22 years by taking the bull by the horns. Lying low, not stirring the hornets' nest, building his support slowly from the ground, making incremental gains at elections – that's been his modus operandi.

But how many more 22 year-periods must Singaporeans continue to suffer under the PAP regime?

 

[melzp]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

WP's strategy is one-dimensional: work the ground, get the support of the heartland, get elected. But once they get into parliament their motto is, don't rock the boat. Survive for another 5 years, and sneak a few more MPs in at the next election. And so on.

That's why I've been telling SKPunggol that he's been barking up the wrong tree: no point looking to the WP to represent your interests in parliament. LTK did not survive for 22 years by taking the bulls by the horn. Lying low, not stirring the hornets' nest, building his support slowly from the ground, making incremental gains at elections – that's been his modus operandi.

But how many more 22 year-periods must Singaporeans continue to suffer under the PAP regime?

Exactly, I share with what u quoted, esp taking the bull's horn N hornet's nest. LTK even back out dumb
when PM Lee asked him of WKS resignation. (Cambridge vs Nanyang)

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

I dont understand why all these WP Haters/Masochistic PAP Lovers, KPKB about WP not doing this and that. But they do not see what WP is doing,,they speak up for Foreigners for FUCK?? I rather they be good MPs and care for their constituents than go make noise in Parleement like JBJ for the sake of making noise. I do not wish parleement to end up like the shit in Taiwan and Australia whereby MPs insult one another and in Taiwan get into fights as well.

And do anyone see what WP is doing in Parleement? or all this talk about WP not doing anything is based on what these masochist see in the gahmen controlled press..that does not say anything about the good works of the WP?

WP's strategy is one-dimensional: work the ground, get the support of the heartland, get elected. But once they get into parliament their motto is, don't rock the boat. Survive for another 5 years, and sneak a few more MPs in at the next election. And so on.

That's why I've been telling SKPunggol that he's been barking up the wrong tree: no point looking to the WP to represent your interests in parliament. LTK did not survive for 22 years by taking the bull by the horns. Lying low, not stirring the hornets' nest, building his support slowly from the ground, making incremental gains at elections – that's been his modus operandi.

But how many more 22 year-periods must Singaporeans continue to suffer under the PAP regime?

 

[melzp]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

I dont understand why all these WP Haters/Masochistic PAP Lovers, KPKB about WP not doing this and that. But they do not see what WP is doing,,they speak up for Foreigners for FUCK?? I rather they be good MPs and care for their constituents than go make noise in Parleement like JBJ for the sake of making noise. I do not wish parleement to end up like the shit in Taiwan and Australia whereby MPs insult one another and in Taiwan get into fights as well.

And do anyone see what WP is doing in Parleement? or all this talk about WP not doing anything is based on what these masochist see in the gahmen controlled press..that does not say anything about the good works of the WP?

I expect WP to stir shit(strike) by smrt chinamen, for this moment.
a. What/Why had led this to happen? Not only in Transport; but service sector may be next to happen.
Becoz locals hv been neglected/ignored for too long with invitational rules that allow foreigners
to be here to take our jobs(PMET).
b. Locals are too selfish; to unite for a strike; TO SEND THE MESSAGE ACROSS (too comfortable like WP)

We expect elected WP to inferno, to speak for citizens who hv been discriminated/by-passed in jobs
recruitment THAT FAVOURABLY EMPLOY FOREIGNERS FIRST. Did WP strongly strongly fight for
SINGAPOREAN FIRST?? NO, not in the last decade, who call themselves WORKERS PUCKTY.

Look around you; friends, neighbours, relatives who hv lost their jobs.
Did WP protect/speaks for us???

 

[SgParent]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

This looks like a purely employment/contractual dispute between employees and employers. What's there to comment about?

 

[SgParent]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

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Any Oppo that managed to kick out a few White Scum Ministars and potential one deserve my vote.

 

[SgParent]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

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It's nice to read such passionate articles.

But wait

If any Oppo only managed to screw itself repeatedly such that the White Scums are given free and total control, then such Oppo are simply wasting the support and time of true pink Singaporeans

 

[SgParent]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

Our cries/noises hv fallen on PAP deaf ears n muted cb mouth.

Cries/noises?

I think it's more like cheers for the White Scums. Wasn't the White Scums just returned to power, again?

===EDIT===
So I'd say WP is correct to not upset the voters

 

[SgParent]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

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If they could kick out more White Scums along the way, then I have no issue with WP's "strategy".

It beats having clueless Oppo who only knows how to complain this, complain that, but when it comes to GE time, will creatively screw its chance.

 

[SgParent]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

I dont understand why...

Perhaps the answer lies here
http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=66997.1

 

[melzp]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

This looks like a purely employment/contractual dispute between employees and employers. What's there to comment about?

Yes, its a contract, no doubt. Indirectly, this strike holds weight for the country's labour/employment movement.
Unions here all govt-controlled. What avenues do we hv to complain besides being an individual?

 

[yellowarse]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

If they could kick out more White Scums along the way, then I have no issue with WP's "strategy".

I used to think that way - kick out a few more white scum out every election. But I'm now more than ever convinced things in Singapore will NEVER change unless there's a regime change. Gaining one GRC or 2 SMCs every 5 years will not get you a regime change - it will just be tokenism that paradoxically makes MIW look good in the eye of international observers.

To topple the regime, the opposition must combine to deny PAP a 2/3 majority in the next election, and then aim for a coalition govt in GE2021 with a combined minimum of 44 seats.

 

[SDPhopelessParty]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

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Pappy Tan The Temasek Review

The only PAP 'B' Team Singaporeans witness past 20 years is SDP and Dr Chee.

Dr Chee broke up a perfectly growing SDP under Chiam See Tong and lost all 3 seats at GE1997 that was won at GE1991 under Chiam See Tong's SDP.

This is because Chee's SDP decide to focus on making as much inaccurate noise in Parliament, being aggressive in Parliament, exposing SDP to lawsuits , conducting civil disobedience and getting arrested rather than running town councils and bonding with residents via grassroots.

The loss caused Singaporeans to lose faith in Opposition for 20 years untl GE2011 when WP made a difficult breakthrough. PAP kept harping Opposition cannot run a SMC let alone a GRC because of SDP's loss at GE1997. SDP almost destroyed Opposition Cause with their antics.

Civil disobedience, bankruptcy, arrests, lawsuits etc gave Opposition a bad image and reminded Singaporeans to fear PAP even more. SDP actually made PAP more feared and more powerful instead and Singaporeans felt more hopeless.

Many good people wanted to join Opposition but seeing Dr Chee's situation decided not to. This lack of good people joining Opposition gave many Walkovers to PAP for 20 years in every elections. SDP only gave Walkovers to Singaporeans at elections because CSJ and gang kept getting barred from elections because of their antics.

What choice, what democracy, what rights, what hope, what change, what impact and what freedom did SDP gave Singaporeans past 20 years ? Nothing at all.

Democracy is not just freedom to have civil disobedience but democracy is also about giving people choice to change governments in elections, not change Opposition parties.

Now PAP once again wants to unleash the Kraken in CSJ to confuse and disrupt alternative parties progress from GE2011 by agreeing to give discount from $500,000 to $30,000 so that CSJ can take part in elections. Destructive, disruptive and history repeats itself.

SPP at least kept one seat in Parliament for 15 years after GE1997 and never got voted out and lose seats before GE2011. SPP was already small and weak when Chiam started it. 15 years down the road under different political landscape, SPP did contest one GRC at least. One less than SDP only who under Chee did not grow much too despite having longer time of brand name.

It took Chiam and SDP 15 years to win 3 seats at GE1991. So how can you say SDP would not have grown under Chiam when SDP did grew under Chiam at GE1991.

Not even WP lost seats before. JBJ was disqualified from Parliament after being charged and Yaw Shin Leong was sacked by WP. None was voted out.

SDP under Dr Chee after GE1997 past 15 years got voted out of Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central, never grow but got smaller and did not even win any seats. You call this good record ?

It is not grandmother's story but true facts. No Singaporean Opposition Supporter want to sacrifice another 20 years and see no result from any Alternative Parties.

Technically and officially, somebody here said there is only one Opposition in Parliament which is WP because the rest are either NCMPs or alternative parties with no seats. Even to be Opposition, political parties need to win enough seats to be Opposition.

I still believe in growing only WP to be Government as fast as possible base on Hougang and Aljunied platforms. This is irregardless what other alternative parties try to pull off, antics and plans. Every party have its own style, voters will decide.

No point running down each alternative parties now. You can run down WP all you want ONLY after WP is government and be blamed for WP government policies. No point running down WP when it is not responsible for the mess in Singapore.

No more Alternative Parties Musical Chairs we seen last 47 years.

I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.

All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.

I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.

TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.

Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.

Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.

Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.

I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.

All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.

I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.

TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.

Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.

Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.

Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.

 

[SDPhopelessParty]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

Pappy Tan The Temasek Review


The East scored better is because WP soften the ground for 20 years. WP lost every election except Hougang at GE1991 and only won more at GE2011.

When SDP won at Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central at GE1991, everybody say West and North were easy but WP never went there but still stick with the difficult East. When SDP lost all Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central at GE1997, SDP made West and North harder as voters lost confidence in all Opposition post GE1997. SDP was the biggest culprit.

At GE2011, WP regain back some lost confidence in Opposition. Just because WP refuse to follow SDP style and TTR style to go on hunger strikes, protest and to oppose everything PAP say, TTR say WP is PAP's partner. Why force WP to follow TTR's style ? TTR is dictator ??

TTR is a PAP website with the objective of sowing discord among alternative parties and create confusion among the Opposition supporters.

TTR's main job is to prevent WP from growing huge enough to rival PAP for government.

If WP fail to grow, stuck with just Hougang and Aljunied or even shrink like SDP in 1990s-2000s, then TTR would have reach its objective.

Another method to keep PAP as government is that TTR wants every alternative party to grow and rival WP instead. This scenario PAP wins as alternative parties take turns playing the musical chairs to growa and shrink but never grow huge enough to rival PAP for government and change the PAP policies. This is playing one alternative party against each other. Very evil and Anti-Singaporean tactic. This happen between throughout 1980s-2000s when SDP and WP took turns to grow and shrink and PAP happily remain as government.

A real Opposition supporter will build on what WP has already so that one day WP can contest all areas in Singapore and seriously bid to be Singapore government.

Even if WP is PAP 'B' Team as smeared by TTR, Opposition supporters should vote WP. It is better to vote for pirated PAP then genuine PAP. lol. Pirated PAP at least have unforseeable screens at times in the drama, unpredictable. Genuine PAP, we all know what genuine PAP is capable of already.

Yes, WP has flaws and weaknesses but which political party does not have flaws and weaknesses ? WP is Singaporean's best hope now for some salvation to change PAP policies. Only power talks in Singapore.

Give WP the power of government first then policies can be change. Judge WP as a government, no point passing judgements on WP now as Opposition because it is not WP policies and WP affecting Singaporean lives, it is PAP and PAP policies ruining Singaporean lives.

 

[SgParent]

Re: WP: “We’ve no ball to talk SMRT strike becos we’ve no ball to politicize the issu

To topple the regime, the opposition must combine to deny PAP a 2/3 majority in the next election, and then aim for a coalition govt in GE2021 with a combined minimum of 44 seats.

Agree.

SDP used to be the likeliest because their candidates were very fiery. Turned out SDP did very well and very entertaining in the Parliament, challenging the White Scums on everything under the Sun. But then SDP got so obsessed with the Parliament sessions that they neglected the very voters that risked their own backyard to send the SDP into the Parliament.

Now it seems to be WP's chance. So far they prefer to focus on local issues to better sink their roots deep enough, while focusing on a few areas that their candidates could manage instead of machine-gunning everything.

So tell me, do you now pick on WP for not being confrontational enough? Or do you reassess the reality on the ground and moderate your expectation?