Chitchat When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 month

[KuanTi01]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

I agree with this.

Tsai's DPP doesn't speak for all Taiwanese. So there is always a distinct possibility of Taiwan being aborbed by China, something along the line of one country systems like HK. Singapore can jolly well apply for membership.lol

 

[winnipegjets]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

Trump will fire nuclear missiles at China if the latter invades Taiwan. MAGA (make america great again) President always want to the first President to fire nuclear missiles. It is all a game to him.

 

[Pinkieslut]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

Tsai's DPP doesn't speak for all Taiwanese. So there is always a distinct possibility of Taiwan being aborbed by China, something along the line of one country systems like HK. Singapore can jolly well apply for membership.lol

If one follow politics one will know that Taiwanese "democracy" is smelly garbage.

Somehow they inherit the bad elements from all their god fathers:
1. Motherland China where the ruling class KMT came from:- pawning each other non-stop. KMT was flipped over by 1/4 Japanese spy Lee Teng Hui, now in the midst of total confusion and destruction by internal fighting. Even DPP is now in self-destruction mode with the Japan loyalist elements trying to take control and push out the moderate factions.

2. Motherland China:- Total and utter corruption. KMT is known to be corrupt even from their days in China. But at least when they came over Taiwan, Chiang KS kicked out those extreme corrupt factions (sidelining them to United States or live in retirement) which includes his wife Soong Mei Ling (exiled to US after CKS died). His son Chiang Ching Kuo was doing things similar to Lee Kuan Yee and Park Chung Hee (father of current female president), although dictators but can get things done with ears on the ground and strict discipline. This resulted in the Little Dragons economy (of course heavily supported by US market and investmnets). However once KMT was flipped over the Lee Teng Hui (Japanese spy), handed over to the opposition DPP, everything becomes fair game, ultimately leading to the jailing of the ultra corrupt Chen Sui Bian. One serious example under Ah Bian was the ridiculous delay of the mass transit from Taipei city to airport (over 20 years and still cannot be completed at the moment). Currently Tsai Ing-Wen is a puppet with her power factions trying to take over all the management roles in Stat-boards and state enterprises (huge salaries).

3. Japan: - Hypocrisy, Us-versus-Them mentality. Racial politics have worsen under DPP, no longer just Mainlanders versus Taiwanese (multigeneration Chinese immigrants), but again the Aboriginals. DPP politicians openly called Aboriginals (many who are supporters of KMT and have strong anti-Japanese sentiments) Huan-Na. All the different parties are over-run by politicians totally lacking principles, say one thing do another types, dramatised everything to polarised the society and entertained the masses. Most DPP pro-independence leaders have duo nationality (Japanese or US), all busy finding ways to suck money out to their overseas bank account and bail out when the time is right.

4. USA:- Perchant for Over the Top: Emotions (faked) and violence are acted out to the extreme. Together with point 3 makes the whole Taiwanese politics into one big failed democracy circus. If you think Donald Trump is loud, you aint see nothing yet. Just go on Youtube and watch Taiwanese politics (from channels being backed by either "Green" or "Blue").

The strength of Taiwan is they do have many really (book and street) smart, genuinely hardworking people. But most of them are now in China (whether "Green" or "Blue") helping to build both the economy and technology know how. The island will probably devolved into a nice holiday or retirement village for middle upper classed Chinese (from Hong Kong, China and also the Taiwanese expats).

 

[nkfnkfnkf]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

Trump will fire nuclear missiles at China if the latter invades Taiwan. MAGA (make america great again) President always want to the first President to fire nuclear missiles. It is all a game to him.

Trump will get more ICBM from PRC than he can fire at PRC, he knew that US missiles are too old outdated and in poor conditions. He promised to fix these, but soon he will realize he can not get enough funds. China promised no nuke 1st strike but sure will return fire using much better missiles and warheads than US got.

 

[nkfnkfnkf]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

For PLA to take firm control of Taiwan it's is merely dozen hours at the most, and this part is the smaller task. The real bigger task is to block all the external rescues interference, from mainly USA and secondly Japs. The focus need to be inflicting significant huge losses within shortest time to any external forces coming into the war theater ASAP, in order that they give up finding their action unfruitful and not worthwhile at all, actually it is the word unaffordable that is the most important.

The primary profit from this war, is however not from capturing Taiwan, but using this war to settle the superpower status with USA, and show the whole world clearly beyond any doubt. More than New World Order that is, and this be the main gain or profit or trophy of this war.

Invasion across Straits of Taiwan is the huge bait for USA which it can never refuse to bite. If USA turned away from this, it's gesture is a total submission and bowing to defeat to Beijing, although this will eventually be the most inevitable out come, but being USA, and being that Ang Moh Trump, it just can not be done without a fight.

Obama already swallowed from Putin the Fireman Wars, dare not stand up in force to fight Russians, and Putin didn't even used his Russian flag State Troops, just informal militancy only.

When PLA begin, it's missiles will take out command and control systems radar, internet, civilian telecommunication, military installations, and power stations etc. These within 20~30 mins. Missiles won't take longer than 10 mins from mainland to Taiwan, less cruise missiles.

Taiwanese military can hardly execute and organized and coordinated defense. As their fibres will be taken out, radios all jammed from very beginning. Their efforts will be isolated pockets of resistance, when PLA arrived. Can expect lots of AWOL Deserter Surrendering. Warships and Warplanes are mostly destroyed at bases within first few hours. Missiles bases KO during PLA 1st Strike. I can see PLA grabbing main ports and airports with Little Resistance encountered on day 1 itself. Mostly these are done by airborne divisions and commandos. They will use these facilities to pull n their main heavy forces. Amphibious landings will be quite limited and unnecessary.

However 500 to 1000 Taiwanese will put up underground arm struggling against PRC by IRA ISIS styled attacks in Taiwan, HK, Macau and mainland cities, for length up to 10 years, they will be both from hidden cells as well as coming from overseas. There will be overseas DPPs forming exile government in Western countries or Japan to play Dalai Lama dramas.

Small price to pay to reunificated Taiwan, but it would be inevitable to bundle this war with the bigger business to settle Superpower Status with USA, which is more costly a war, but with a higher justification objective.

 

[nkfnkfnkf]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

有中国人对我讲过说：以目前情况，解放军可以完全呆在自己基地里面，不出去。就已经可以把台湾打趴下，至完全瘫痪，无力反抗。混乱不堪甚至开始自相残杀。限令时间命令它投降。就统一啦。

我看这说法也非夸张。

但是会有很多台独与国民党叛徒乘时间空隙夹巨款逃亡外国。还会有外军乘时间空隙进入台湾岛搅局。所以现实上这样省事的战法太过神话。

无论如何，我认为主要阻力不来自台湾军民抵抗，而是外国军事政治实力的干预，才是主要都对抗目标来源。这些才是重点军事资源应该准备反击阻止，甚至先发制人，废对手武功。这才是正事儿！

 

[nkfnkfnkf]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo


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[Papsmearer]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

For PLA to take firm control of Taiwan it's is merely dozen hours at the most, and this part is the smaller task. The real bigger task is to block all the external rescues interference, from mainly USA and secondly Japs. The focus need to be inflicting significant huge losses within shortest time to any external forces coming into the war theater ASAP, in order that they give up finding their action unfruitful and not worthwhile at all, actually it is the word unaffordable that is the most important.

The primary profit from this war, is however not from capturing Taiwan, but using this war to settle the superpower status with USA, and show the whole world clearly beyond any doubt. More than New World Order that is, and this be the main gain or profit or trophy of this war.

Invasion across Straits of Taiwan is the huge bait for USA which it can never refuse to bite. If USA turned away from this, it's gesture is a total submission and bowing to defeat to Beijing, although this will eventually be the most inevitable out come, but being USA, and being that Ang Moh Trump, it just can not be done without a fight.

Obama already swallowed from Putin the Fireman Wars, dare not stand up in force to fight Russians, and Putin didn't even used his Russian flag State Troops, just informal militancy only.

When PLA begin, it's missiles will take out command and control systems radar, internet, civilian telecommunication, military installations, and power stations etc. These within 20~30 mins. Missiles won't take longer than 10 mins from mainland to Taiwan, less cruise missiles.

Taiwanese military can hardly execute and organized and coordinated defense. As their fibres will be taken out, radios all jammed from very beginning. Their efforts will be isolated pockets of resistance, when PLA arrived. Can expect lots of AWOL Deserter Surrendering. Warships and Warplanes are mostly destroyed at bases within first few hours. Missiles bases KO during PLA 1st Strike. I can see PLA grabbing main ports and airports with Little Resistance encountered on day 1 itself. Mostly these are done by airborne divisions and commandos. They will use these facilities to pull n their main heavy forces. Amphibious landings will be quite limited and unnecessary.

However 500 to 1000 Taiwanese will put up underground arm struggling against PRC by IRA ISIS styled attacks in Taiwan, HK, Macau and mainland cities, for length up to 10 years, they will be both from hidden cells as well as coming from overseas. There will be overseas DPPs forming exile government in Western countries or Japan to play Dalai Lama dramas.

Small price to pay to reunificated Taiwan, but it would be inevitable to bundle this war with the bigger business to settle Superpower Status with USA, which is more costly a war, but with a higher justification objective.

Which drug induced fantasy is this?

 

[nkfnkfnkf]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

Which drug induced fantasy is this?

Plain simple facts that have to be swallowed.

http://www.fun01.net/post57439


假如真動粗，東風洗地，24小時內灣灣就得下跪！！

全球華人盟主專區 2016-05-16 檢舉 重複投訴


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72小時應該不是一個標桿，如果真的需要武裝解放台灣，需要看國家到底準備動用多大的兵力，發動什麼樣的進攻，或者說準備打大仗，還是準備像是對越反擊戰那樣，還是準備直接一場現代化戰爭用東風洗地，還是說準備裡應外合，就像是納粹德國吞併捷克斯洛伐克那樣。如果準備慢慢來的話，盡最大可能不去想辦法真的發射出一顆子彈，也至少需要一個禮拜，如果要是真的東風洗地，各種沿海戰鬥機，轟炸機，海軍陸戰隊，還有其他兵種一起上，別說72小時了，24小時之內台灣就會崩潰。
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至於美國和日本的反應，個人認為美國的反應更重要，因為日本儘管天天喊著反華口號，但是它的大局外交還是跟著美國連軸轉的，不管是過去的鳩山由紀夫還是之前的安培晉三怎麼想打破這個圈子都沒有成功，結果很慘。

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但是問題在於，美國人真的準備在太平洋最西邊為了一個台灣去和中國開戰嗎？真的準備為了一個台灣不惜參與戰爭嗎？答案恐怕不一定是肯定的。個人認為美國更有可能會派遣軍隊跟隨，監視，觀察，最後發出抗議，然後慢慢的接受事實，可能會採取最大限度不會與我軍直接對抗的方式去阻撓。類似法國人在第一次海灣戰爭那樣做，儘管嘴上喊得很狂說美國你不應該這樣，但是薩達姆一到台他們馬上就跑過去分一杯羹。

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重點在於應該看我們國家的領帶階層有多大的決心，畢竟太祖那樣的人物已經成為歷史，但是太祖的那個時代也已經成為歷史，如果沒有爭端可以和平統一最好。我們的敵人的態度，以及最終的結果完全取決於我們的領導階層的態度，如果正如諸位鷹派青年所說，直接東風洗地，恨不得把核武器搬出來，24小時佔領台灣我都覺得太長。但是那樣的結果又是怎樣呢？


當初國民黨收復台灣的時候，台灣人民何其高興，他們甚至把珍藏了幾十年的旗袍還有中山裝拿出來穿，去迎接所謂的『王師』，結果呢？國軍第21軍剛來到台灣一頓燒殺搶掠，之後又是長時間的恐怖政策搞的一片腥風血雨，我們不妨設身處地的想一想台灣人自己的歷史，為什麼民進黨這次可以上台絕對不是偶然。

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而且從更高的角度來看，現在不是統一台灣的時候，誠然PLA有能力武統，但是本著戰爭最終服務於政治的原則，我們能從這其中獲得什麼？如果戰爭一旦爆發，而我軍並不是真的名正言順，很可能最後會造成非常意想不到的後果，當被東風洗地之後的台灣人看著自己被摧毀的家園，你覺得他們會歡迎我們嗎？真的就像是電視劇里那樣國統區老百姓歡迎解放軍那樣嗎？


我感覺台灣經過這麼長時間，它本身似乎已經不再是一個國家了，看看台灣的所謂邦交國，看看台灣所謂的那些專家們的愚昧輿論，比如非要拿仿製美國二戰M18坦克殲擊車的勇虎還是什麼玩意去跟99比，跟96比，甚至跟豹2比，而且最後居然還都贏了！！看看他們的專家今天又拿出來什麼結論說殲20,31有台灣專家參與的大新聞。

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這一切的背後倒是有著另一個國家的影子，那就是韓國，從這些言論可以很明顯的看出來台灣正在大陸的陰影下逐漸從國際大環境中脫節，從他們的一舉一動中都讓人感覺到一種醋意。或許當年蔣經國的時代他們還算是『地區大國』，但是現在恐怕台灣的整個視覺，整個影響力，整個民眾以及所謂的專家的觀點……也就是大陸一個省的級別，甚至還不如。


綜上所述也充分說明我國長期以來對台灣的方針是絕對正確的，分化他，削弱它的影響力，提高大陸在台灣的影響力，但是又保留著武裝統一這一條路。我覺得我們應該堅持過去的對台方針以及政策，攻心為主，真的要是打起來了，那可都是自己同胞的血啊，為了讓別的國家獲得利益，值得嗎？


至少現在武統台灣，還沒到時候

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[nkfnkfnkf]

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[nkfnkfnkf]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

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东风16子母弹攻击机场，一枚导弹可跑道洗地
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一枚导弹一条跑道就完了 东风洗地

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[The_Hypocrite]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

It is Constitutional Mission to Liberate Taiwan since PRC Day1. At any cost. They will do it regardlessly all factors and only a matter of time.

World can think anything, won't shack their mission.

If the commies want to so call liberate Taiwan . Than so it now. Wait so long for wat?

 

[Pinkieslut]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

If the commies want to so call liberate Taiwan . Than so it now. Wait so long for wat?

The commies' doctrine is "Active Defense". They will keep the status quo as long as Taiwan's government stop short of declaring full independence. These commies know that time is on their side when it comes to technology, economy and military capability.

PRC has emptied out Taiwan's best minds in semiconductor and other industrial space with $$$. For example PLA backed company Huawei has established full vertical integration in the electronic space (like Samsung) due in the large part by Taiwanese talent in the chip design, foundry and supply chain management. Taiwanese companies like Acer, HTC etc are all zombies waiting to close shop.

Many of the "mainlander" type Elites like Foxconn CEO (bornt of parents from Shanxi province) and even KMT's retired generals have all move back to live in PRC land. In fact some of these retired generals even attended an event by CCP and hosted by Xi Jin Ping celebrating the anniversary of Chinese Revolution. So do you think Taiwan still have any military secrets?

PRC is now at the stage where they no longer consider other Chinese countries (SG, Taiwan and HK) as learning examples (unlike back in the 80s or 90s) as their knowledge has outpaced these economies. They are seeking to play same league with Japanese, Americans and Europeans in various fields.

PRC might still be uncouth, but they have progressed from the barbarian kind under Mao Tse Tung.

Not that I like PRC, but I can tell you USA is a fuckup bankrupt country (intolerable internal and external debts) which still want to have easy life and talk big.

 

[3_M]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

Military top brass traditionally is oppose to Taiwan independent and would not fight if Taiwan ever declared independence. Even for the true believers, those who are willing to sacrifice their lives for ROT are really the minority of the minority.

It was revealed that those legislators who are staunch advocates of independence either try all means to escape draft or have asset overseas. Any Taiwanese president knows declaring independence would only means hastening the reunification process.

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

true that taiwan talkshows are more toxic than those in u.s.

 

[Pinkieslut]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

true that taiwan talkshows are more toxic than those in u.s.

More over the top than Fox News and very entertainment.

You should go search for their videos explaining the South Korean presidential crisis. Can talk until whole thing like a drama series, got giggolo sex, drugs, religious cult, plastic surgery, mind control, pro-China gang, pro-Japan gang.

You cannot imagine that just a bunch of people just sitting there chit chatting with charts and video clips can be 1000X entertainment than Mediacorpse drama.

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

The commies' doctrine is "Active Defense". They will keep the status quo as long as Taiwan's government stop short of declaring full independence. These commies know that time is on their side when it comes to technology, economy and military capability.

PRC has emptied out Taiwan's best minds in semiconductor and other industrial space with $$$. For example PLA backed company Huawei has established full vertical integration in the electronic space (like Samsung) due in the large part by Taiwanese talent in the chip design, foundry and supply chain management. Taiwanese companies like Acer, HTC etc are all zombies waiting to close shop.

Many of the "mainlander" type Elites like Foxconn CEO (bornt of parents from Shanxi province) and even KMT's retired generals have all move back to live in PRC land. In fact some of these retired generals even attended an event by CCP and hosted by Xi Jin Ping celebrating the anniversary of Chinese Revolution. So do you think Taiwan still have any military secrets?

PRC is now at the stage where they no longer consider other Chinese countries (SG, Taiwan and HK) as learning examples (unlike back in the 80s or 90s) as their knowledge has outpaced these economies. They are seeking to play same league with Japanese, Americans and Europeans in various fields.

PRC might still be uncouth, but they have progressed from the barbarian kind under Mao Tse Tung.

Not that I like PRC, but I can tell you USA is a fuckup bankrupt country (intolerable internal and external debts) which still want to have easy life and talk big.

A well thought out argument. People like this TS do not know what they are talking about. PLA invading ROC, not to say its impossible, but its unlikely and it will be very costly for the PLA. Just to assemble an amphibious assault fleet that big that can land a few hundred thousand fully armed troops supported by tanks and arty is an undertaking that even the US Navy cannot do. Then to sail this fleet across the straits of Formosa under attack by ROC forces is yet another task that is impossible for the PLA now. The PLA can lay waste to Taiwan manufacturing, cities, ports, etc. but that is the prize that they want to capture. Destroying these assets is like cutting your nose off to spite your face. I don't think it will happen any in the future.

 

[johnny333]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

What's to stop Taiwan from acquiring nuclear weapons
They are pretty advanced & if 3rd world countries like India, Pakistan, N.Korea countries can get them, I'm sure Taiwan can too.

If they can no longer rely on the US nuclear umbrella this may be the only option. I'm sure someone there must have considered going nuclear.

 

[democracy my butt]

Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

现在习近平改组了火箭军，台湾只要随便造几千个最短程的东风15精确导弹。不停地精确打击48小时，一批次300枚齐射,每2小时一次。2天后，台湾岛连鸡鸣狗吠都难再听到了啦。鸡吓死狗夹着尾巴缩在狗洞里发抖，屎尿失禁。空气灰茫茫，硝烟与焦尸味嘛。全岛断电断水断通讯，燃料储备着火猛烧，不见天日。台军不死掉的也伤残。不伤残的也逃兵啦。所有的军事设施里面不再有健全的活人。民进党与政府部门成为鬼域废墟。

医院，殓房，坟场，棺材，尸袋，全面10倍超额缺乏。政府崩溃。银行挤提。全岛瘫痪。物资粮食医药全面短缺。商店被洗劫掠夺。警察逃逸离职。只有立刻投降希望免死。

也无需解放军登陆了。中共有66万武警，只需拨一半33万武警海空安渡，遭遇抵抗顶多只是象征式的。等于是放礼炮欢迎武统嘛。

 

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Re: When PLA Liberate Taiwan, Taiwan belives they can withstand few days at most 1 mo

What's to stop Taiwan from acquiring nuclear weapons
They are pretty advanced & if 3rd world countries like India, Pakistan, N.Korea countries can get them, I'm sure Taiwan can too.

If they can no longer rely on the US nuclear umbrella this may be the only option. I'm sure someone there must have considered going nuclear.

Likewise when china invades taiwan, Japan will also develop nuclear weapons. Taiwan is like the southern-most island of Japan during colonial days.