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(Note just to blow steam and vent my frustration here - Conversely, Malaysians of Chinese/Indian heritage after more than 2-3 generations in Malaysia as full fledged citizens still get labelled as "Pendatangs" by some irresponsible politicians. See how bad that is, sad case huh).

Share yr sentiments, MingChye.

I m 4th gen M'sian.With baba nonya roots, I have quite a lot of Malay customs ingrained in me but m not bumi. I m fine wif dat . I m also fine when several bosom Bumi friends who studied overseas on easily attainable gov scholarships come back wif angmohs fiancees who then embraced Islam n have kids who poof ! become bumis automatically n then enjoy bumi privileges. But when I have more Malaysianisms than they n I m referred to as 'pendatang' I just go GRrrrr......

I LOVE Malaysia, my one n only home but Malaysia does not love me. Malaysia only WANTS me ...... my blood, sweat n tears.:(
 

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Previously, I mentioned that SG earn quite a lot of money from money laundering and Casino is one that will facilitates this. Below is a piece of news related to what I mentioned.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aK7UIXigIxjM


Morgan Stanley's Xie Quit After Singapore E-Mail (Update5)
By Netty Ismail - October 5, 2006 14:12 EDT

Oct. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Andy Xie's resignation as Morgan Stanley's chief economist in Asia last week followed an e-mail in which he characterized Singapore as an economic failure dependent on illicit money from Indonesia and China.

Xie, who worked at Morgan Stanley for nine years, sent the e-mail to his colleagues after attending the International Monetary Fund and World Bank annual meetings last month in the Southeast Asian island state. The 46-year-old Shanghai-born economist questioned why Singapore was chosen to host the conference, and said delegates ``were competing with each other to praise Singapore as the success story of globalization.''

``Actually, Singapore's success came mostly from being the money laundering center for corrupt Indonesian businessmen and government officials,'' Xie, who was based in Hong Kong before leaving Morgan Stanley on Sept. 29, wrote in the e-mail. ``Indonesia has no money. So Singapore isn't doing well.''

Singapore's $118 billion economy is recovering from three recessions since the 1997 Asian financial crisis, and is expecting growth of as much as 7.5 percent this year. The city- state is grappling with growing competition from China and India, two of the world's most populous nations, where labor costs are less than a quarter of those in Singapore.

Mountain Summit

Officials from the public-relations departments of the Monetary Authority of Singapore and the government's information service declined to comment on the contents of the e-mail. They also declined to be identified.

Xie declined to comment on his departure when contacted on his mobile phone on Oct. 2 and said he hasn't decided what he will do next.

``I'm not at liberty to comment on anything,'' said Xie, who holds a doctorate in economics and a master's degree in civil engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, Massachusetts. ``I'm in Guangzhou and I'm taking a break on top of a mountain. It's quite nice here.''

Xie, who said in September that the U.S. economy may fall into a recession in 2008, worked at the corporate-finance division at Macquarie Bank in Singapore before joining Morgan Stanley in 1997. He earlier spent five years as an economist with the World Bank, overseeing the bank's programs in Indonesia and other countries in the Asia-Pacific region, according to the New York-based firm's Web site.

`Corruption Money'

The Singapore government, which is ending a four-decade ban on casinos, plans to triple tourism revenue to $19 billion and double visitors to 17 million by 2015.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said in September that Singapore's economy may sustain annual growth of 3 percent to 5 percent for the next 10 years to 15 years as the country expands industries ranging from information technology to tourism.

``To sustain its economy, Singapore is building casinos to attract corruption money from China,'' said Xie, who ranked No. 2 among regional economists in a 2003 Asiamoney magazine survey.

Morgan Stanley confirmed the contents of the e-mail and said the New York-based firm doesn't elaborate on the reasons behind employee departures.

``This is an internal e-mail based on personal suppositions and aimed at stimulating internal debate amongst a small group of intended recipients,'' said Cheung Po-ling, a Hong Kong-based spokeswoman for the world's largest securities firm by market value, in a written statement. ``The e-mail expresses the views of one individual and does not in any way represent the views of the firm.

``Morgan Stanley has been a very strong supporter of Singapore and has a great deal of respect for Singapore's achievements,'' Cheung said.

Morgan Stanley Deals

In the U.S., Wall Street analysts have lost their jobs for recommending shares of companies that they privately disparaged. Citigroup Inc., Merrill Lynch & Co. and eight rival securities firms agreed in 2003 to pay $1.4 billion to settle charges that analysts published misleading stock research in a bid to win investment-banking business.

Morgan Stanley ranks sixth among merger advisers in Singapore this year, handling $1.5 billion of deals, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. It advised Temasek Holdings Pte., the Singapore government's investment company, in the purchase of a 9.9 percent stake in Mumbai-based Tata Teleservices Ltd. Morgan Stanley, the No. 3 arranger of stock sales in Asia outside Japan, hasn't underwritten a Singapore deal this year, Bloomberg data show.

`Strange Choice'

``I tried to find out why Singapore was chosen to host the conference,'' Xie wrote in the e-mail. ``Nobody knew. Some said that probably no one else wanted it. Some guessed that Singapore did a good selling job. I thought it was a strange choice because Singapore was so far from any action or the hot topic of China and India. Mumbai or Shanghai would be a lot more appropriate.''

At a dinner party hosted by Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, ``people fawned him like a prince,'' Xie wrote. ``These Western people didn't know what they were talking about,'' he wrote, describing the praise for Singapore as ``nauseating pleasantries.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Netty Ismail in Singapore at [email protected].

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Ben Richardson at [email protected].
 

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wow!!! enlightening.


Previously, I mentioned that SG earn quite a lot of money from money laundering and Casino is one that will facilitates this. Below is a piece of news related to what I mentioned.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aK7UIXigIxjM


Morgan Stanley's Xie Quit After Singapore E-Mail (Update5)
By Netty Ismail - October 5, 2006 14:12 EDT

Oct. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Andy Xie's resignation as Morgan Stanley's chief economist in Asia last week followed an e-mail in which he characterized Singapore as an economic failure dependent on illicit money from Indonesia and China.

Xie, who worked at Morgan Stanley for nine years, sent the e-mail to his colleagues after attending the International Monetary Fund and World Bank annual meetings last month in the Southeast Asian island state. The 46-year-old Shanghai-born economist questioned why Singapore was chosen to host the conference, and said delegates ``were competing with each other to praise Singapore as the success story of globalization.''

``Actually, Singapore's success came mostly from being the money laundering center for corrupt Indonesian businessmen and government officials,'' Xie, who was based in Hong Kong before leaving Morgan Stanley on Sept. 29, wrote in the e-mail. ``Indonesia has no money. So Singapore isn't doing well.''

Singapore's $118 billion economy is recovering from three recessions since the 1997 Asian financial crisis, and is expecting growth of as much as 7.5 percent this year. The city- state is grappling with growing competition from China and India, two of the world's most populous nations, where labor costs are less than a quarter of those in Singapore.

Mountain Summit

Officials from the public-relations departments of the Monetary Authority of Singapore and the government's information service declined to comment on the contents of the e-mail. They also declined to be identified.

Xie declined to comment on his departure when contacted on his mobile phone on Oct. 2 and said he hasn't decided what he will do next.

``I'm not at liberty to comment on anything,'' said Xie, who holds a doctorate in economics and a master's degree in civil engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, Massachusetts. ``I'm in Guangzhou and I'm taking a break on top of a mountain. It's quite nice here.''

Xie, who said in September that the U.S. economy may fall into a recession in 2008, worked at the corporate-finance division at Macquarie Bank in Singapore before joining Morgan Stanley in 1997. He earlier spent five years as an economist with the World Bank, overseeing the bank's programs in Indonesia and other countries in the Asia-Pacific region, according to the New York-based firm's Web site.

`Corruption Money'

The Singapore government, which is ending a four-decade ban on casinos, plans to triple tourism revenue to $19 billion and double visitors to 17 million by 2015.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said in September that Singapore's economy may sustain annual growth of 3 percent to 5 percent for the next 10 years to 15 years as the country expands industries ranging from information technology to tourism.

``To sustain its economy, Singapore is building casinos to attract corruption money from China,'' said Xie, who ranked No. 2 among regional economists in a 2003 Asiamoney magazine survey.

Morgan Stanley confirmed the contents of the e-mail and said the New York-based firm doesn't elaborate on the reasons behind employee departures.

``This is an internal e-mail based on personal suppositions and aimed at stimulating internal debate amongst a small group of intended recipients,'' said Cheung Po-ling, a Hong Kong-based spokeswoman for the world's largest securities firm by market value, in a written statement. ``The e-mail expresses the views of one individual and does not in any way represent the views of the firm.

``Morgan Stanley has been a very strong supporter of Singapore and has a great deal of respect for Singapore's achievements,'' Cheung said.

Morgan Stanley Deals

In the U.S., Wall Street analysts have lost their jobs for recommending shares of companies that they privately disparaged. Citigroup Inc., Merrill Lynch & Co. and eight rival securities firms agreed in 2003 to pay $1.4 billion to settle charges that analysts published misleading stock research in a bid to win investment-banking business.

Morgan Stanley ranks sixth among merger advisers in Singapore this year, handling $1.5 billion of deals, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. It advised Temasek Holdings Pte., the Singapore government's investment company, in the purchase of a 9.9 percent stake in Mumbai-based Tata Teleservices Ltd. Morgan Stanley, the No. 3 arranger of stock sales in Asia outside Japan, hasn't underwritten a Singapore deal this year, Bloomberg data show.

`Strange Choice'

``I tried to find out why Singapore was chosen to host the conference,'' Xie wrote in the e-mail. ``Nobody knew. Some said that probably no one else wanted it. Some guessed that Singapore did a good selling job. I thought it was a strange choice because Singapore was so far from any action or the hot topic of China and India. Mumbai or Shanghai would be a lot more appropriate.''

At a dinner party hosted by Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, ``people fawned him like a prince,'' Xie wrote. ``These Western people didn't know what they were talking about,'' he wrote, describing the praise for Singapore as ``nauseating pleasantries.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Netty Ismail in Singapore at [email protected].

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Ben Richardson at [email protected].
 

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How many of my fellow M'sian country-bros and -sis will be voting in the coming M'sian GE?

I'm a voter-virgin who has finally gotten himself registered to vote! I am certainly looking forward to the elections! Can't wait.

I suppose one can expect announcements to be made on future JB public-sector (even private) developments once the GE is over.
 

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How many of my fellow M'sian country-bros and -sis will be voting in the coming M'sian GE?

I'm a voter-virgin who has finally gotten himself registered to vote! I am certainly looking forward to the elections! Can't wait.

I suppose one can expect announcements to be made on future JB public-sector (even private) developments once the GE is over.

I will vote.
 

Mingchye

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How many of my fellow M'sian country-bros and -sis will be voting in the coming M'sian GE?

I'm a voter-virgin who has finally gotten himself registered to vote! I am certainly looking forward to the elections! Can't wait.

I suppose one can expect announcements to be made on future JB public-sector (even private) developments once the GE is over.

Please note that your newly registered name will only appear in the next quarterly electoral roll update. I found this out when I happily registered myself back in Jan 2008 and Abdullah Badawi announced elections in Mar 2008. Obviously I couldnt vote as my name only appeared in the electoral update post Apr 2008 :(

Since GE13 is likely in Mar-Jun 2013, your name confirm will be in the electoral list.


Malaysian forummers living in NI and HH, mind telling me which state seat and parliamentary seat are these Tamans under? Thanks.
 

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... I found this out when I happily registered myself back in Jan 2008 and Abdullah Badawi announced elections in Mar 2008. Obviously I couldnt vote as my name only appeared in the electoral update post Apr 2008 :(

Since GE13 is likely in Mar-Jun 2013, your name confirm will be in the electoral list ...
dun b 2 sure ...

got ppl tel me even after dey registered, their names can mysteriously disappear from ze list later ...
 

Jetstream

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dun b 2 sure ...

got ppl tel me even after dey registered, their names can mysteriously disappear from ze list later ...

Yeah, i've even heard of a colleague's mother receiving a letter telling her that her polling constituency is in some ulu outstation place and not the constituency she lives in. Told colleague to make sure the mother seeks to rectify this ASAP. No wonder why groups like Bersih came to exist....I hope things like this will soon come to pass.
 

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Oh dear if this racial politics cards are replayed in Iskandar region, esp with so many westerners and liberal residents around, what will happen?

BENTONG, Malaysia - Villagers here are infuriated over the abrupt halt to a performance, which was a curtain raiser to a DAP dinner.

The enraged villagers who had raised thousands of ringgit to hire the singers are fuming that DAP had given in to the demands of PAS to stop the performance.

They said it was a slap on the face of the Chinese for DAP to bow to the pressures of PAS leaders who were at the function.

Apparently, PAS leaders who attended the function on Nov 17 in Telemong here had felt uncomfortable with a female singer's dressing that was purportedly too revealing and demanded that the performance be stopped.

Kampung Manchis village head Lee Ah Kaw told Sin Chew Daily that he was disappointed with the actions of DAP leaders who did not dare offend PAS.

"They are willing to sacrifice the rights of the Chinese for the sake of getting support from PAS.

"How do you expect us to place our trust in DAP for the well-being of the Chinese?" he asked.

He said the villagers confronted two local DAP leaders over the incident but efforts to get a proper answer were in vain.

He said that to date, he received 50 complaints from villagers over the incident, for which DAP had yet to give a satisfactory explanation.

Lee, together with Kampung Sg Perdak head Lai Chui Fan, Kampung Sg Gapoi head Tang Kam Sang and other village committee members, had raised the matter with DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang when he attended a DAP ceramah on Tuesday night.
 

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in the 1st place, during political talk, it should be serious and I agree should not have dance or singing.....
Those are not a need, and not a traditional culture for Chinese....
those who want really want to see show , can go to MCA event, free food and drinks! after food and drink, no one bother to listen what they say....

anyway, i guess no politic here....


Oh dear if this racial politics cards are replayed in Iskandar region, esp with so many westerners and liberal residents around, what will happen?

BENTONG, Malaysia - Villagers here are infuriated over the abrupt halt to a performance, which was a curtain raiser to a DAP dinner.

The enraged villagers who had raised thousands of ringgit to hire the singers are fuming that DAP had given in to the demands of PAS to stop the performance.

They said it was a slap on the face of the Chinese for DAP to bow to the pressures of PAS leaders who were at the function.

Apparently, PAS leaders who attended the function on Nov 17 in Telemong here had felt uncomfortable with a female singer's dressing that was purportedly too revealing and demanded that the performance be stopped.

Kampung Manchis village head Lee Ah Kaw told Sin Chew Daily that he was disappointed with the actions of DAP leaders who did not dare offend PAS.

"They are willing to sacrifice the rights of the Chinese for the sake of getting support from PAS.

"How do you expect us to place our trust in DAP for the well-being of the Chinese?" he asked.

He said the villagers confronted two local DAP leaders over the incident but efforts to get a proper answer were in vain.

He said that to date, he received 50 complaints from villagers over the incident, for which DAP had yet to give a satisfactory explanation.

Lee, together with Kampung Sg Perdak head Lai Chui Fan, Kampung Sg Gapoi head Tang Kam Sang and other village committee members, had raised the matter with DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang when he attended a DAP ceramah on Tuesday night.
 

Mingchye

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I think this is a misunderstanding and I can see where both sides (the Chinese Kampungers and the PAS guests) are coming from.

The Chinese Kampungers' intention was probably to make it a grand occasion with big dinner and have a singer providing entertainment...kinda like the getai shows in SG. What they didnt realise is that PAS guests will be attending and since you invite guests, consideration to their views should have been considered.

For the PAS guests, they can always express their reservations after the dinner and enlighten the non-muslims what may have made them uncomfortable during the dinner. Abit too much to ask the show to be stopped. They could have apologised and walked out of the dinner function if they can't take it anymore.

Btw, in the past I have read some BN functions where only halal food was served and Hindu Indians were some of the guests invited. No consideration was given to the guests(they cant take beef mah) and they tell the Indians, too bad you either eat it or dont. This sort of attitude is even more jialat.
 

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in the 1st place, during political talk, it should be serious and I agree should not have dance or singing.....
Those are not a need, and not a traditional culture for Chinese....
those who want really want to see show , can go to MCA event, free food and drinks! after food and drink, no one bother to listen what they say..
anyway, i guess no politic here....


Politic Is A Dirty Word. Everywhere we go. It is the same..... POWER is everythings.
Just be flexible, agreed to disagree. Keep away from the Bloody, Muddy Politic & Life will be Better & Peaceful.
 

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For malaysian, please do go and vote in the coming election, its important to Change now.
55years, what we got is being champion in corruption.
 

Jetstream

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Straits Times, Dec 19, 2012

Outflow of dirty money 'has cost developing world $7.3 trillion'

WASHINGTON - Crime, corruption and tax evasion have cost the developing world nearly $6 trillion over the past decade, and illicit funds keep growing, led by China, a financial watchdog group said in a new report.

China accounted for almost half of the $858.8 billion in dirty money that flowed into tax havens and Western banks in 2010, more than eight times the amounts for runner-ups Malaysia and Mexico.

...

Malaysia, an export-dominated economy with a wealthy elite, lost $64.38 billion in 2010 and $285 billion cumulatively between 2001 and 2010, the report said.

----- that certainly is no small small amount of money!
 

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For malaysian, please do go and vote in the coming election, its important to Change now.
55years, what we got is being champion in corruption.

Yep, please register yourself (if you havent done so) by 31 Dec 2012 in order to be eligible to vote from Q1 2013.
 

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I'm speculating with December come and gone and no dissolution of parliament, the next (and final) window will likely be during the March school holidays - 23-31 March.
 
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