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The Chinese are know Cheaters: More than 50 Swimmers have tested Postive for Doping

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China's doping history casts shadow on swimmer's feats

Article by: JERE LONGMAN , New York Times
Updated: July 31, 2012 - 9:12 AM

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LONDON - At 16, the Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen is one of the youngest competitors in the Olympics and so far the most remarkable. What she has done in the pool is the water-based equivalent of what Usain Bolt did on the track four years ago in Beijing.

On Saturday night, Ye not only shattered the world record in the 400 individual medley, winning gold in 4 minutes 28.43 seconds, she also swam the final 50 meters faster than Ryan Lochte did in winning the men's race.

On Monday, Ye returned to the pool for the heats and semifinals of the 200 individual medley, her best event. There is nothing to indicate that Ye is anything more than a great swimmer from a country that holds about a fifth of the world's population, a teenager who relies on the latest scientific training and the kind of adolescent certainty that makes her unaware of her own limitations.

And yet women's swimming does not permit itself naive and untempered salute. Not after the systematic East German doping of the 1970s and '80s. Not after repeated Chinese scandals in the 1990s. Not after Michelle Smith of Ireland won four medals at the Atlanta Games in 1996 under disputed circumstances and was later barred from competition for tampering with a urine sample.

The response to unsurpassed achievement now falls somewhere uncomfortably between amazement and incredulity, that gray area between celebration and suspicion.

Euphemism serves as scar tissue that has formed around guileless trust.

"That's pretty unbelievable," David Sharpe, a Canadian swimmer, said of Ye's finishing kick on Saturday, in which she covered her final 50 meters in 28.93 seconds, faster than Lochte's 29.10. "No one really understands how that happened."
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Ye swam her final 100 meters of the 400 IM in 58.68 seconds. Lochte was only three-hundredths of a second faster. No one could immediately remember a woman closing faster than 61 seconds.

"Interesting," said Natalie Coughlin, the American with 12 career Olympic medals.

"Insane," said Stephanie Rice of Australia, the 2008 Olympic champion and former world-record holder in the 400 IM. "Fifty-eight is out of control."

Lochte made a cordial joke about being outkicked. On Monday, Michael Phelps, who finished fourth in the men's 400 IM, smiled at a question about Ye's closing speed and said: "She almost outswam me, too. We were all pretty shocked. It's pretty impressive that she went that fast."

No swimmers accused Ye, who is 5-foot-8 and weighs 141 pounds, of using illicit substances to fuel her kick. The default reaction became: No comment.

John Leonard, an American who is executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association and has for years spoken vehemently about his suspicions of doping in China, told the Guardian on Monday that he found Ye's performance "disturbing."

Other officials were more gracious.

Frank Busch, national team director for USA Swimming, called Ye's final 100 meters "more than remarkable, phenomenal."

"My hat's off to her training," Busch said. "Whatever she's done has paid off."

Was he concerned that what Ye had done was not legitimate?

"I would never go there," Busch said.

Yet, China has brought uncertainty upon itself. Ye has never tested positive for banned substances. But in the 1980s and '90s, according to news accounts, more than 50 Chinese swimmers have. Seven were caught by a surprise test at the 1994 Asian Games in Hiroshima, Japan. One swimmer, Yuan Yuan, was caught with 13 vials of human growth hormone at the 1998 world championships in Perth, Australia.

There has long been a debate about whether doping in China was state sponsored or directed by individual coaches. A former chief doctor for the Chinese gymnastics team told the Sydney Morning Herald last week that in the 1980s, it was state sponsored.

Some believe that embarrassment over doping scandals led China to more carefully scrutinize its athletes. In any case, the dominance of China's female swimmers in the mid-1990s has ebbed. China won only one gold medal in swimming at each of the past two Olympics, including the 2008 Beijing Games.

Already in London, it has won two. This follows a recent report by the official Xinhua News Agency that in March a 16-year-old swimmer named Li Zhesi, a former relay champion, tested positive for the blood-boosting drug EPO. While Ye's achievement might have once brought only commemoration, it now comes with questions.


According to state-run media, Chinese coaches and athletes have taken an oath to remain clean. Some athletes are even said to be avoiding meat, fearing that it might be tainted with a banned, performance-enhancing substance called clenbuterol.

"There's absolutely no problem with doping," Ye said Monday in translated remarks. "The Chinese team has always had a firm policy about anti-doping."
 

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Hello, most of the Chinese doping cases were in the '90s. They started cleaning up their act after they decided to bid for the 2000 Olympics (which they lost), and since the turn of the century, many more American athletes have been caught doping than their Chinese counterparts.

Today, all Chinese athletes are subjected to both in and out of competition by local as well as international bodies like FINA and IAAF, with drug tests ratified by IOC-certified labs.

On the other hand you have many Americans going under the radar with their superior pharmaceutical technology. Marion Jones was stripped of all her Olympic medals for admitting to clenbuterol use, but never tested positive even once. Lance Armstrong, who claims that he's never tested positive in over 500 tests (actually he tested positive twice), is now fighting the battle of his life for his reputation. after team mates ratted on him. Tyler Hamilton has just been stripped of his 2004 Olympic medal for doping. Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa served terms for doping.

Check out this doping list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_sport
 

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Americans superior pharmaceutical industry and banking industry are all out to con,they are cheaters.
 

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Li Zhesi is also 16 like Ye and caught this year not in the 1990s. Unlike most countries, it is a state run progamme whey are taken in from a very age and controlled in nearly all aspect of their life. There will be always be questions.
 

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beware of pinoys trying to create anti chinese post here.
 

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beware of pinoys trying to create anti chinese post here.

What have anti-Chinese sentiments got to do with you? You're a sinkie, for goodness sake. :rolleyes:
 

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Singapore is a Chinese Country. Period.
 

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There you have it. PRC state sponsored doping case in March 2012 confirms everyone's suspicion. No more talk already. PRC cannot compete against major world power have to play ping pong, badminton, trampoline and dope their swimmer to win.

Take away the low class ping pong medal, badminton medal, trampoline medal, what does PRC win? Nothing.
 

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blah... blah... blah...

If Ye Shiwen is on dope, her doping test result would have been made known to the world by now.

Nice try to discredit her. Try harder next time.

Try_harder.jpg
 

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USA won because they no need to go for dopi.....
 

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Anyone who thinks that a Chinese Swimmer who goes faster than a man who has bigger physical attributes i.e. Lochte of US is as deluded as thinking the Table Tennis Medal is a cause for national pride in Singapore
 

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Here we go again. Dude, read Marion Jones. Never tested positive. Now she sells sugar cane water.

If Ye Shiwen is on dope, her doping test result would have been made known to the world by now.

Nice try to discredit her. Try harder next time.

Try_harder.jpg
 

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Have you yanks forgotten about the big scandal case about 20 American sprinters tested positive for doping?

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012...ic-swim-star-ye-shiwen-did-not-test-positive/


The International Olympic Committee (IOC) hinted on Tuesday that gold medallist swimmer Ye Shiwen of China had not tested positive


NOW AS FOR AMERICAN ATHLETES.

Debbie Dunn, a standout track and field alumna of Norfolk State University, has tested positive for steroids

USA goal keeper Hope solo tested positives for banned substance

American judoka Nick Delpopolo has also expelled for Cananbis which is not an enhancement performance drug but still goes against the image of the Olympic spirits.
 
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Chinese need to something this? How can wet an cheating nation like united stateds win?

Even United stateds are ranked no.1 in Olympic gold medal strips due to doping, cheating. United Stateds have 9 gold medal stripped and 2 bronze medal stripped while China only has one medal stripped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stripped_Olympic_medals


YOU WON'T GET AWAY WITH THIS.... YOU AMERICAN CHEATS.
 

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My sinkie brothers, let's stick up for China this time, fight against the unbelievably bias and racist nation like Unite stated.

We can't just let these cheaters get away with everything.

The real table should have been this.

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My sinkie brothers, let's stick up for China this time, fight against the unbelievably bias and racist nation like Unite stated.

We can't just let these cheaters get away with everything.

The real table should have been this.

Hey fucktard! Don't post something that is unofficial. Warning to u SORE LOSER. :rolleyes:
 
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Hello, most of the Chinese doping cases were in the '90s,so after the 90s China has gone thro' another great cultural revoluation,cheating no more,honesty is now a national pursuit! According to Yellowarse.
 

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The goal of the Chinese govt is to earn as many medals as possible, not only gold medals. They have hired Western coaches, built many facilities and spend alot of resources to achieve 119 medals won. In this regard the Americans have defeated the Chinese by a very wide margin.

Also have read that the Chinese govt considers chinese-born athletes who earn medals for another nationality to be "theirs" and that such athletes are "on loan" That would mean that the Chinese paddlers are not Singaporean, are on loan to us, and that we may have to "give them back"

Would we get a refund when they go back to China?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...lifter-is-claimed-by-the-chinese-7995043.html

When Kazakhstan weightlifter Zulfiya Chinshanlo proudly belted out her country's national anthem after winning a gold medal on Sunday, Chinese state media moved into patriotic overdrive, leaping on claims she was in fact Zhao Changling and on "loan" from China.[/SIZE

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/s...aily-source-of-discontent.html?pagewanted=all

The Kazakhs might not actually have been laughing at the Germans, but they were surely amused by a recent public relations move by the Chinese. China recently claimed that a couple of Kazakhstan medals were rightfully China’s.

“Greedy China looks longingly at Kazakhstan’s gold medals,” read a recent headline in The Times of London. According to the paper, Xinhua, China’s state-run news agency, has said that two gold-medal-winning weight lifters from Kazakhstan hail from China. One of them, Zulfiya Chinshanlo, admitted to pining for rice cakes, which Xinhua cited as evidence of a “Chinese stomach.
 

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The goal of the Chinese govt is to earn as many medals as possible, not only gold medals. They have hired Western coaches, built many facilities and spend alot of resources to achieve 119 medals won. In this regard the Americans have defeated the Chinese by a very wide margin.

Also have read that the Chinese govt considers chinese-born athletes who earn medals for another nationality to be "theirs" and that such athletes are "on loan" That would mean that the Chinese paddlers are not Singaporean, are on loan to us, and that we may have to "give them back"

Would we get a refund when they go back to China?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...lifter-is-claimed-by-the-chinese-7995043.html

When Kazakhstan weightlifter Zulfiya Chinshanlo proudly belted out her country's national anthem after winning a gold medal on Sunday, Chinese state media moved into patriotic overdrive, leaping on claims she was in fact Zhao Changling and on "loan" from China.[/SIZE

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/s...aily-source-of-discontent.html?pagewanted=all

The Kazakhs might not actually have been laughing at the Germans, but they were surely amused by a recent public relations move by the Chinese. China recently claimed that a couple of Kazakhstan medals were rightfully China’s.

“Greedy China looks longingly at Kazakhstan’s gold medals,” read a recent headline in The Times of London. According to the paper, Xinhua, China’s state-run news agency, has said that two gold-medal-winning weight lifters from Kazakhstan hail from China. One of them, Zulfiya Chinshanlo, admitted to pining for rice cakes, which Xinhua cited as evidence of a “Chinese stomach.


OMG so typical of PRC pigs. Now SG 2 bronze medals belong to China! No wonder the crowd was cheering for China when Singapore was playing. And now Singaporean taxpayers pay for this insult.
 
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