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TCB wants Istana all to himself if he is elected as President

PhuaTeKor

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But ... why he said earlier that he recognised that the Presidency must not be a centre of power? Does physical separation mean independent of the two offices?


Cheng Bock: Move PMO out of Istana

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AsiaOne
Friday, Aug 19, 2011

SINGAPORE - Dr Tan Cheng Bock says he will ask the Government to shift its operations from the Istana grounds to another location if he is elected President.
In his Presidential broadcast last evening, he said that familiarity breeds the potential for compromise, which works against Singaporeans' interest.

In order to strengthen the independence of the Presidency, he said the PMO and Cabinet offices should not be housed in the same compound as the President to ward off unwanted suspicion of undue influence.

He explained: "This physical separation will further assure the people that the two institutions are independent of each other."

Dr Tan told reporters at a later forum organised by The Online Citizen that this was not an issue of cost, but about looking at the bigger picture.

Tan Cheng Bock responds to Shanmugam
by Leong Wee Keat
Updated 09:09 AM Aug 09, 2011

Singapore - Presidential hopeful Tan Cheng Bock has questioned Law Minister K Shanmugam's most recent comments that the President's influence on the Government in areas outside his constitutional powers would depend on his experience, knowledge and wisdom.

Writing on his Facebook page, Dr Tan said the President would have been deemed to have the necessary qualities "by virtue of his being issued the Certificate of Eligibility". "This is further endorsed by the people of Singapore who have voted for him," he added. "Is the Minister questioning the decision of the Presidential Elections Committee and the choice of the voters?"

Dr Tan, who is former Member of Parliament for Ayer Rajah, argued the Law Minister has "set the stage of confrontation" between the President and the Prime Minister (PM) when he speaks of the different level of respect the Prime Minister will give. Dr Tan added, "Is he saying the choice of the voters of Singapore matters little? This is a very judgmental approach to the office of a Presidency elected by all Singaporeans. It amounts to "I will hear you if I respect you and if I like you". I hope this view is not shared by the PM."

On Sunday, Mr Shanmugam reiterated that the President's influence on the Government in areas outside his constitutional powers would depend on his experience, knowledge and wisdom.

Dr Tan said he recognised that the Presidency must not be a centre of power and work with the government in the interest of Singapore. "This is important or both offices will always be in a state of tension and the country suffers. This is the stage that should be set for the future relationship of the two offices especially in the light of the current world economic climate," Dr Tan added.

The Presidential hopeful felt there "must be mutual respect" for the Government and Presidency as both are elected by Singaporeans. Otherwise, Dr Tan warned of "a high level of suspicion between the two".
 

Khun Ying Pojaman

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If Tan Cheng Bock is elected, the Presidential Office will be moved out of Istana to NTUC Downtown East or Singapore Labour Foundation at Thomson Road.

This old man is dreaming. Didn't he know OTC lost his second nomination because of a golf course ? Now Tan Cheng Bock aspires to be the camel and expect Lau Lee and gang to move out of the tent ?
 

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Tomorrow few MPs and ministers will comment on this. Mark my word. All por lan par will talk cock.
 

annexa

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Actually if you look at company laws for transparency, he is on the track. Separating Executive power from Custodian power. This ensure that the 2 will not or have less possible to collude. But he bring up at wrong time. Majority sinkies don't understand this kind of more advance concept.
 

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Actually if you look at company laws for transparency, he is on the track. Separating Executive power from Custodian power. This ensure that the 2 will not or have less possible to collude. But he bring up at wrong time. Majority sinkies don't understand this kind of more advance concept.

In law, there is this saying:

Justice must not only be done, but must be seen done.

TCB is putting foreward a manner where a country should be run justly and fairly. The role of the President, though largely ceremonial, now does holds a certain amount of custodian power. This must be seen to be done by the seperation of office, just just by the seperation of role.

Its rightful that the President be reside in the istana. The prime Minister should be somewhere else. Considering there are presently quite a few locations of offics for PMO, why must the PM's office be with the President?

So who is the head of state? the president or the prime minister??
 

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So who is the head of state? the president or the prime minister??

Istana means Palace, official residence and office of the head of state, the President.

The PM is head of government. He should conduct his government somewhere else.
 

PhuaTeKor

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Actually if you look at company laws for transparency, he is on the track. Separating Executive power from Custodian power. This ensure that the 2 will not or have less possible to collude. But he bring up at wrong time. Majority sinkies don't understand this kind of more advance concept.

If he believes that Presidency must not be a centre of power (which means government is the centre of power) and the President has to work with the government in the interest of Singapore, why does he want a physical separation away from the PMO now?

In a company scenario, TCB's earlier statement is like saying he believes that Chairman must not be a centre of power and the Chairman has to work with the CEO & management in the interest of the company. So now he wants the CEO & management to be in a different location away from the Chairman to display independency (not transparency)? How do you tie these two statements together? :confused:
 

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Moving PMO from Istana 'symbolic, but does little'
Candidates and political observers respond to Tan Cheng Bock's idea

By Li Xueying
Moving the offices of the prime minister and Cabinet from the Istana may have 'symbolic value' in highlighting the separation of powers between president and prime minister - but appears to serve little purpose otherwise.

Presidential candidates and political observers made the observation when reacting to whether the idea - mooted by Dr Tan Cheng Bock - would benefit the working relationship between the president and Government.

Said candidate and former NTUC Income chief Tan Kin Lian: 'There are advantages for the prime minister and president to be close together... If I want to be the voice of the people, it's good to be close to him.

'Dr Tan is worried about independence. But independence does not mean you have to be far away. You can be close together. In Parliament, the PAP and opposition sit in the same room, but they are still independent of each other.'
 

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Its a symbolic move. Moving PMO out of the Istana does'nt change anything. A pro PAP President will get along with the PAP PM even if the PMO's office is on Pedra Branca or Pulau Sudong....

An independent President should get along with the PM of the day, even if they share a bed........

TCB is a nice guy, but his philosophy is very simple and naive.
 

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Never heard of any Pm sleeping in the same house as the President or King. Very strange why the PM cannot afford his own home and office. Money no enuff?
 

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Dear Win

Its not just purely symbolic, its a slap on the face and a lost of privilege towards the old guard within the PAP. LHL would not care where his office is, whether its at Treasury Building or not. Its LKY and his private swimming pool and golf course if he still can play who would miss the privileges of the Istana grounds.



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Never heard of any Pm sleeping in the same house as the President or King. Very strange why the PM cannot afford his own home and office. Money no enuff?
 

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Dear Win

Its not just purely symbolic, its a slap on the face and a lost of privilege towards the old guard within the PAP. LHL would not care where his office is, whether its at Treasury Building or not. Its LKY and his private swimming pool and golf course if he still can play who would miss the privileges of the Istana grounds.



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He has a very nice office in Capital Tower, with special lift entrance and overlook the skyline of the City. The last time I was privileged to enter the PM's Office was in Treasury Building. Therefore PMO's Office should be located there too.

If PM is staying in Dalvey Road, why can't the old man and his daughter stay there too or nearby? Why the Istana as it is a Palace? He is after all now just an MM or whatever they might wish to call him and ranked below that of a PM.
 

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Exactly. This is a loaded message to those who who have been watching Singapore politics for the last 40 years. Having supposedly handed over power he has not given up his office nor the trappings of power for over 20 years.

The moment TCB said it, those in the know knew who the intended target was.

Can you imagine the staff canteen in the Istana is in the President's compound and not at Sri Temasek and it was built during OTC time. Tells you how much old man values the Presidency.

Basically he is telling the old and his son to fuck off.


Dear Win

Its not just purely symbolic, its a slap on the face and a lost of privilege towards the old guard within the PAP. LHL would not care where his office is, whether its at Treasury Building or not. Its LKY and his private swimming pool and golf course if he still can play who would miss the privileges of the Istana grounds.



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Exactly. This is a loaded message to those who who have been watching Singapore politics for the last 40 years. Having supposedly handed over power he has not given up his office nor the trappings of power for over 20 years.

The moment TCB said it, those in the know knew who the intended target was.

Can you imagine the staff canteen in the Istana is in the President's compound and not at Sri Temasek and it was built during OTC time. Tells you how much old man values the Presidency.

Basically he is telling the old and his son to fuck off.


Apparently I'm ignorant of this fact. Does LKY still maintain an office at the Istana? Or worse, does he still stay there?
 
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