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SMRT Admit They Die With Cock Standing! No Idea Why MRT Breakdown!

halsey02

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Tuck You looks a bit lost in the MRT station. Standing there and wishing the train disruption to go away isn't going to work. If he wants to show that he is "hand on", he should at least roll up his sleeves.

The train disruption issue is in the domain of train engineering. Go get the best train's engineering experts in to review the whole track and power infrastructure. You can get a lot more done by focusing on getting the right people in the right domain.

He is standing there & wondering, why no passengers had rolled out of the train carriages yet?, so that, he can do hands on rescue, for he is a NAVY myRear Admiral....."all hands on deck"...
 

NanoSpeed

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Time to play musical chairs.

Lui Tuck Yew will retire as Minister. The Transport Ministry has claimed many casualties. We should give the hot seat to those we tulan.

I nominate $8 Cow for the hot seat.
 

rusty

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The Land Transport Authority (LTA) announced in a media release that they are unable to find the fault that caused the major train breakdown two days ago (July 7) and they are outsourcing the investigation to independent consultants.

Now it's a show hand by Desmond & LTA. They are telling LHL and Lui to find the root of the problems themselves or engage independent consultants to do it. How bold.... 2 generals against 2 ministers.
Now the generals ganged up to squeeze LHL balls tighter...sack me if you dare.
 

lifeafter41

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LTA also said they will pay for the consultants who are specialised in transit power systems and assess the overall conditions of the power and track infrastructures. Train services will resume normally during checks by the independent consultants.
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Finally, SMRT admits that they lack the engineering expertise to assess the conditions of power and track infrastructures. What they can do are basic maintenance and engineering evaluation. They are not able to evaluate reliability assessment, system fault failure and recovery and perform failure modes effect analysis. Why did they not pay the consultants to do the assessment at the start of the new line project or engage them for a service contract to perform check once a year ? The money spent on the experts will save a ton of money arising from train service disruption, service and repair as well as implicit costs related to a loss of reputation. It is money better spent than giving a pay rise to the SMRT CEO who cannot fix a problem permanently.

Singapore mrt lines is running almost all over the island. But till date they still do not have in place a school or training center that caters to the maintaining and replacement of the system. The mrt by itself is a engineering requirement. Not just something where you can bring in a ceo and consultants to resolve. It has to be a long term solution where Singaporeans are taught and trained to operate and maintain the lines. It's is just not possible to rely on outsider such as consultant. Core capability takes time to build. The mrt system itself is more than 30 years and they have not done such.

The watching of the bottomline, must not and should not be the priority. Maintaining reliability in the train system, must be the top priority.
 

rusty

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Singapore mrt lines is running almost all over the island. But till date they still do not have in place a school or training center that caters to the maintaining and replacement of the system. The mrt by itself is a engineering requirement. Not just something where you can bring in a ceo and consultants to resolve. It has to be a long term solution where Singaporeans are taught and trained to operate and maintain the lines. It's is just not possible to rely on outsider such as consultant. Core capability takes time to build. The mrt system itself is more than 30 years and they have not done such.

The watching of the bottomline, must not and should not be the priority. Maintaining reliability in the train system, must be the top priority.

Well said.
But the problem is, it's not maintenance alone... both LTA and Desmond knew it. It's the fucking overloading and over working the aged system built for 2 not 5 that's compounding. The gag order is out and Desmond just collect his fat pay and let LTA foot whatever bills the INDEPENDENT CONSULTANTS submit. Don't believe? get a micrometer and check how thick Desmond's skin has grown.
 

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The Land Transport Authority (LTA) announced in a media release that they are unable to find the fault that caused the major train breakdown two days ago (July 7) and they are outsourcing the investigation to independent consultants.

“Despite carrying out a comprehensive second round of checks last night (July 8), the root cause of Tuesday’s MRT disruption has yet to be definitively identified”

LTA also said they will pay for the consultants who are specialised in transit power systems and assess the overall conditions of the power and track infrastructures. Train services will resume normally during checks by the independent consultants.

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Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew have said that they are both “very concerned”, while the Opposition Party Workers’ Party said they are deeply worried that the continuous train breakdowns, happening since 2011, could affect Singapore in terms of the national security and economy. The Workers’ Party also criticized the PAP Government that the number of train delays actually reached an all-time high in 2014 and 2015 despite having spent billions of dollars on existing MRT infrastructures.

Most Singaporeans have voiced concerns over the leadership of Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew, and wanting him to resign in response for his inability to handle the train breakdown issues despite having been in the seat for the past 4 years. Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew’s photo shots of him “standing by” in MRT stations by the government-controlled media have also drew flak from Singaporeans, who believe the former navy admiral is only out to score political points.

http://statestimesreview.com/2015/0...ns-fault-outsource-to-independent-consultant/

What kind of Transporation company is so fucked up that they cannot diagnose and find out what is wrong with their own system? How humiliating is it to go outside the country and ask for people to help you find out what is wrong with your business? Sinkies are really retarded not to see the PAP is shit useless. Why don't we hire consultants to see what is wrong with the PAP while we are at it?
 

eatshitndie

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Well said.
But the problem is, it's not maintenance alone... both LTA and Desmond knew it. It's the fucking overloading and over working the aged system built for 2 not 5 that's compounding. The gag order is out and Desmond just collect his fat pay and let LTA foot whatever bills the INDEPENDENT CONSULTANTS submit. Don't believe? get a micrometer and check how thick Desmond's skin has grown.

it's not that simple as just layman's terms of "overloading and over working." the system is designed to take the heavy load and work. what is difficult to troubleshoot are external and sometimes external converted to internal factors, especially when they are related to electrical power issues. for example, my company built a brand new data center facility with the latest and greatest equipment and building accessories including all kinds of plumbing for ventilation, heating, cooling, air-con, fire suppression, cable ducting, airflow, fiber conduits, etc. one morning into the first month, power started tripping and equipment racks started going down one by one. apparently, a coolant pipe condensed the air around it and water droplets concentrated at the lowest point in the plumbing, usually an elbow or vertical turn, and a few drips short the rack below, knocking it out, and in turn it tripped the entire row. other rows were spared because they were isolated by separate power feeds. each row is now on separate redundant feeds. because the condensation did not drip as much when techs typically spent much of their time looking for "root causes" (usually at power distribution panel on rack, cabling and equipment first), it took 2 more months for a sharp-eyed tech to see drops of water on the raised floor where rack had been removed. otherwise if rack had not been removed water drops would puddle on top of rack which is an equipment cabinet, and nobody would have guessed it was condensation from a pipe. the pipe was sealed tight. it just happened to be a very cold pipe collecting ambient moisture from hot air around it as equipment emits hot air and hot air rises, and moisture seeps in everytime door opens or tech walks in. the fix was to have fan trays on every row blowing hot air to a designated exhaust or egress chimney, and avoid rows to be placed at suspected condensation spots. it requires a bad experience to learn new lessons. and smrt cannot afford to let experienced techs go. they are the company's unsung heroes and extremely valuable asset.
 

rusty

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smrt cannot afford to let experienced techs go. they are the company's unsung heroes and extremely valuable asset.

Precisely, they are experienced and have worked till their balls sweat and yet not enough...why?
There are already enough suggestions and accusations about the overloading and overworking the aged line but not a single refute from the MIWs...why? They could have said...look here's the specs we are not overloading. Why is Desmond getting bolder each time the train fucks up? Did he not mention somewhere about renewing the whole system to solve the problem because it's impossible to detect every single flaw.
 
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eatshitndie

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Precisely, they are experienced and have worked till their balls sweat and yet not enough...why?
There are already enough suggestions and accusations about the overloading and overworking the aged line but not a single refute from the MIWs...why? They could have said...look here's the specs we are not overloading. Why is Desmond getting bolder each time the train fucks up? Did he not mention somewhere about renewing the whole system to solve the problem because it's impossible to detect every single flaw.

unfortunately this type of service goes through tremendous wear and tear and constant exposure to physical, environmental, weather impacts it requires experienced, hardened, and good personnel to run and maintain it. experience is learned over years on the job and can never be easily taught in classroom settings. renewing the system will not solve the issue as external factors are in play, such as corrosion or water leaks in the construction of tunnels that are not equipment-related. it involves massive infrastructure renewal not just the system.
 

Leongsam

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He learnt well from his SAF days: wayang and 'eye power'.

We're letting these 书呆子 run the country to the ground... well done 60%. :kma:

I used to stand around looking "authoritative" on a daily basis when I was in the army.

It made me look busy and feel important. It must have impressed my superiors too.
 

Papsmearer

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it's not that simple as just layman's terms of "overloading and over working." the system is designed to take the heavy load and work. what is difficult to troubleshoot are external and sometimes external converted to internal factors, especially when they are related to electrical power issues. for example, my company built a brand new data center facility with the latest and greatest equipment and building accessories including all kinds of plumbing for ventilation, heating, cooling, air-con, fire suppression, cable ducting, airflow, fiber conduits, etc. one morning into the first month, power started tripping and equipment racks started going down one by one. apparently, a coolant pipe condensed the air around it and water droplets concentrated at the lowest point in the plumbing, usually an elbow or vertical turn, and a few drips short the rack below, knocking it out, and in turn it tripped the entire row. other rows were spared because they were isolated by separate power feeds. each row is now on separate redundant feeds. because the condensation did not drip as much when techs typically spent much of their time looking for "root causes" (usually at power distribution panel on rack, cabling and equipment first), it took 2 more months for a sharp-eyed tech to see drops of water on the raised floor where rack had been removed. otherwise if rack had not been removed water drops would puddle on top of rack which is an equipment cabinet, and nobody would have guessed it was condensation from a pipe. the pipe was sealed tight. it just happened to be a very cold pipe collecting ambient moisture from hot air around it as equipment emits hot air and hot air rises, and moisture seeps in everytime door opens or tech walks in. the fix was to have fan trays on every row blowing hot air to a designated exhaust or egress chimney, and avoid rows to be placed at suspected condensation spots. it requires a bad experience to learn new lessons. and smrt cannot afford to let experienced techs go. they are the company's unsung heroes and extremely valuable asset.

Its not really that factor by itself. Ask yourself how many sinkies staff, both maintenance, engineering, etc have been let go in SMRT and replaced with cheaper FT staff. The FT staff does not care and does not take pride in their work. If they spot a fault, they will keep quiet because to report it is to mean more work for them. what do they care if the train system shuts down? All they care about is earning a paycheque and sending it to their families in India, China, or whatever shit hole they came from. A singaporean staff would have been different. A singaporean staff knows that it will be his family, father, mother, children etc. stuck in a dark train with no aircon and no power for 3.5 hours if he doesn't do his job right. The motivation is entirely different.
 

Papsmearer

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He learnt well from his SAF days: wayang and 'eye power'.

We're letting these 书呆子 run the country to the ground... well done 60%. :kma:

Yes, as a ex Admiral, he relies on "eye power" ala Cyclops to destroy enemy vessels, ok? Donch pray pray ah.
 

Papsmearer

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He learnt well from his SAF days: wayang and 'eye power'.

We're letting these 书呆子 run the country to the ground... well done 60%. :kma:

He is standing there by himself and there are some commuters in the background. If Sinkies dare to walk up and punch Amos Yee, why don't they walk up and punch him in the face too for causing all the delays?
 

Dark Knight

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He learnt well from his SAF days: wayang and 'eye power'.

We're letting these 书呆子 run the country to the ground... well done 60%. :kma:

Because of this "exposed wayang selfie", ah lui has been heavily criticized by sinkies for putting on an act that he is extremely concerned about this breakdown incident.
 

Seee3

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it's not that simple as just layman's terms of "overloading and over working." the system is designed to take the heavy load and work. what is difficult to troubleshoot are external and sometimes external converted to internal factors, especially when they are related to electrical power issues. for example, my company built a brand new data center facility with the latest and greatest equipment and building accessories including all kinds of plumbing for ventilation, heating, cooling, air-con, fire suppression, cable ducting, airflow, fiber conduits, etc. one morning into the first month, power started tripping.... it took 2 more months for a sharp-eyed tech to see drops of water on the raised floor ..... it requires a bad experience to learn new lessons. and smrt cannot afford to let experienced techs go. they are extremely valuable asset.
Just to elaborate on my previous post that maintenance guys needs field experience. To a layman, what you have described was wow!, it's a miracle that they found the cause. Asked any seasoned maintenance chap, he will waved it off because they have encountered it before. There was even a case of baby rat shorting the supply terminals in a sub panel.

There are set methodology in trouble shooting and exposures can quicken the process by checking for the unlikely causes. However, the way Smrt did it doesn't seem right. They spent time suspecting that a train was faulty. Bearing in mind that both mrt lines tripped, by suspecting that fault at one line can trip the other line then something is wrong with the design. Maybe they were thinking that the main electrical supply source to both lines was tripped by the faulty train. Again it doesn't sound right as how can it be when they say there were multiple trippings which means tripping in sub panels.

I am out of touch with such details but my gut feel is that since both lines tripped, a probable cause is their step down transformer. If the supply for both lines come from the same sub-station then it will reinforce the probability. Otherwise, it is just a wild guess. Lucky for SP that Smrt manages their downstream electrical supply otherwise they may be dragged into the shit.

We are no expert but the issue is the maintenance capability of Smrt and their top management's awareness of its importance. The mrt is a critical assets that can cripple the economy. Put somebody with the right attitude before they really have to replace the entire system. But it wouldn't help as they will still not be able to maintain it.
 

zhihau

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Tuck You looks a bit lost in the MRT station. Standing there and wishing the train disruption to go away isn't going to work. If he wants to show that he is "hand on", he should at least roll up his sleeves.

You foreigner ah? Never go through SAF ah? Eye power cukup lah.
 

HTOLAS

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Encik Shamsuddin's presence would have been cheaper and more effective.

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He learnt well from his SAF days: wayang and 'eye power'.

We're letting these 书呆子 run the country to the ground... well done 60%. :kma:
 
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