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JohnTan

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it's as good as those bogus Hadiths -- not quranic verses but bogus hadiths - that say Muslims should not rise up against any ruler so long as they permit you to pray and believe in Islam or such. WTF?

And you are upset when governments kick out moslems. Even you admit that you think moslems would stir trouble nonstop.

For the same morons, I have news. You can extract camel urine, have this incident recorded on camera and share it (upload it) with the rest of the world as you drink freshly extracted camel urine. Doesn't Hadith in much esteemed Bukhari say camel urine is beneficial for human beings?

Bukhari is much esteemed in the moslem world. His collection of hadiths is seen as equal to the quran by most moslems, especially those that say if you need to believe in both hadith and quran to be counted as a real moslem. Are you a real moslem then?
 

JohnTan

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Is premarital physical relationship permissible in Islam?

I don't think so.

islam permits moslems to rape their female slaves and captives.

Some moslems find a loophole by allowing quickie marriages, which end in divorce within an hour after having sex. Lots of arabs go on such "quickie marriage" sex tours in kelingland, where there are lots of poor keling moslem women.
 

Loofydralb

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Justice at the whims of the family's wishes? I wouldn't trust such a dubious form of justice.

And the "family's wish" usually refers to the loudest voice in the family, usually the abusive moslem father or eldest brother. Thanks but no thanks.
How daft can you get. The best justice is served by the people who are most affected by the crime, subject to limits imposed by the society.
The family can also choose to forgive the person and this happens frequently.

Unlike your catholic justice where people burn at the stake alive. Sound most evil and vengeful.
 

JohnTan

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How daft can you get. The best justice is served by the people who are most affected by the crime, subject to limits imposed by the society.
The family can also choose to forgive the person and this happens frequently.

Forgiveness is not a big part of the moslem religion. 'An eye for an eye' and 'honor killing' are much more likely to happen. It's common in most parts of the moslem world for moslem fathers to physically abuse their wives and daughters.

Another more likely scenario is also the victim's family being intimidated by the killer into 'forgiving' the murder publicly.

islamic laws are full of loopholes, exploited by moslem clerics and moslems themselves. Our secular laws are much more secure and fair.
 

Loofydralb

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Forgiveness is not a big part of the moslem religion. 'An eye for an eye' and 'honor killing' are much more likely to happen. It's common in most parts of the moslem world for moslem fathers to physically abuse their wives and daughters.

Another more likely scenario is also the victim's family being intimidated by the killer into 'forgiving' the murder publicly.

islamic laws are full of loopholes, exploited by moslem clerics and moslems themselves. Our secular laws are much more secure and fair.
Funny how you as a catholic (I refrain from using christian for you) seldom quote your own bible. Why? Scared we point out the errors and contradictions?

Now here is a quote from the
Nuh 71:10
فَقُلۡتُٱسۡتَغۡفِرُواْرَبَّكُمۡإِنَّهُۥكَانَغَفَّارٗا١٠
saying, ‘Seek your Lord’s forgiveness, ˹for˺ He is truly Most Forgiving.

An-Nisa 4:106
وَٱسۡتَغۡفِرِٱللَّهَۖإِنَّٱللَّهَكَانَغَفُورٗارَّحِيمٗا١٠٦
And seek Allah’s forgiveness—indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

The Quran is full of verses in evidence of Allah's abundant forgiveness if you seek it.

Now on one hand you claim Muslims to be barbarians. Here you claim they can be bullied into forgiving? Shadenfreud.

What loopholes you talking about? The family either forgives or demand punishment meted out. Such a simple concept of governance that in caliphate ruled lands, we do not need incarceration and jails. How's that for a system better than your secular.
 

mudhatter

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And you are upset when governments kick out moslems. Even you admit that you think moslems would stir trouble nonstop.

What?

Was it your single digit IQ or your singlish language that caused you to miscomprehend me again?

Or maybe coz you were too busy enjoying the ang moh kia pastors ramming your posterior that you failed to pay attention to what you were debating?

Did your ang moh masters penetrate you more today? Or yesterday?

Bukhari is much esteemed in the moslem world. His collection of hadiths is seen as equal to the quran by most moslems, especially those that say if you need to believe in both hadith and quran to be counted as a real moslem. Are you a real moslem then?

Who are these so called "Moslem", since such a thing does not exist.

It has been Muslim since day 1.

Bukhari hadiths were compiled many centuries (around 200 years) after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). There is nothing in any Hadiths, even compiled by Bukhari, that says only Bukhari Hadiths should be taken as the sole authority on anything Islamic. None whatsoever.

Can anybody find a single Hadith saying that Bukhari is the most authentic source of information on anything - whether Islamic or non Islamic?

Then, even the Hadith-firsters, can not prove why Bukhari (which promotes drinking camel urine as CECA Zakir Naik also very gleefully promoted) should be taken as the sole authority on Islam.
 

mudhatter

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islam permits moslems to rape their female slaves and captives.

Some moslems find a loophole by allowing quickie marriages, which end in divorce within an hour after having sex. Lots of arabs go on such "quickie marriage" sex tours in kelingland, where there are lots of poor keling moslem women.


Why should Arabs need to marry Keling poor Muslims?

They can f@rk pinoy maids for free or same for CECA maids or nurses.

too smelly for my liking, the ceca, and then ceca virus.

but they were ruled by their muslim masters for 1000 years as affirmed by saffron terrorist in chief
 

JohnTan

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Funny how you as a catholic (I refrain from using christian for you) seldom quote your own bible. Why? Scared we point out the errors and contradictions?

You tend to run away when contradictions are pointed out in your two different moslem scriptures, quran and hadith.


Now here is a quote from the
Nuh 71:10
فَقُلۡتُٱسۡتَغۡفِرُواْرَبَّكُمۡإِنَّهُۥكَانَغَفَّارٗا١٠
saying, ‘Seek your Lord’s forgiveness, ˹for˺ He is truly Most Forgiving.

An-Nisa 4:106
وَٱسۡتَغۡفِرِٱللَّهَۖإِنَّٱللَّهَكَانَغَفُورٗارَّحِيمٗا١٠٦
And seek Allah’s forgiveness—indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

The Quran is full of verses in evidence of Allah's abundant forgiveness if you seek it.

Now on one hand you claim Muslims to be barbarians. Here you claim they can be bullied into forgiving? Shadenfreud.

Your quotes are about moslems seeking forgiveness from their moon god, not seeking forgiveness or giving forgiveness to other people. Most moslems seek 'an eye for an eye' form of justice, and see the world through similar lens.


What loopholes you talking about? The family either forgives or demand punishment meted out. Such a simple concept of governance that in caliphate ruled lands, we do not need incarceration and jails. How's that for a system better than your secular.

Here are some examples of 'blood money' and 'forgiveness' in islamic justice systems. Usually, the murderers walk free and the court treats murder like a private dispute between two parties. Even moslems are getting fed up with crappy islamic system of justice.


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Her murder in 2016 was arguably Pakistan's most high-profile case of an "honour" killing.

Days after killing her, Muhammad Waseem defiantly told journalists that he strangled his sister because of her "intolerable" behaviour.


The government responded to public outrage with new laws against such crimes, including -- crucially -- a ban on victims' families being allowed to pardon relatives or reach out-of-court "blood money" settlements.

Waseem was convicted and sentenced to life in jail, but his lawyers found a loophole.

They successfully argued on appeal that the murder could not be classed as an "honour" killing –- rendering the legal changes inapplicable, and allowing for his mother to pardon him.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220525-getting-away-with-murder-in-pakistan



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In January 2018, Asma Rani, a medical student in her third year, was on a semester break in her hometown of Kohat in the province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Asma and her sister-in-law were on their way back to their house when two men opened fire. Three bullets hit Asma. Before her death, she identified her attacker as Mujahidullah Afridi, a man from the same city whose marriage proposal she had refused.

A manhunt was launched against Afridi, who had fled the country shortly after the attack. He was arrested in the United Arab Emirates, extradited and tried in Pakistan.

Recently, local news media reported that Asma Rani's family had "pardoned" him in an event held in Lakki Marwat in the district of Kohat. The pardon was overseen by a "jirga" — a council of village or town elders that acts as an unofficial justice system and mediates settlement in conflicts.

"We've seen that often the pardon or compromise comes from pressure, coercion, blackmail and threats," Mumtaz told DW . "And even when there's an actual conviction, that doesn't mean it's the end of the case, the culprit or his family can still threaten or blackmail to get a pardon." Many have been freed this way, she explained. "It is an escape route for them being able to pay your way out of it."


https://frontline.thehindu.com/disp...-murderers-to-be-pardoned/article36475743.ece
 

Loofydralb

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You tend to run away when contradictions are pointed out in your two different moslem scriptures, quran and hadith.

There is no contradiction between Quran and Hadith. It is a universally agreed convention that if a Hadith is at odds with the Quran, then the Hadith is put aside as it may have been corrupted as it is not the words of Allah. Only the Quran stand alone as incorruptible and perfect.

This highest Islamic standards is totally absent from Catholic theology. Your bible alone, by itself contains contradictions that cannot be reconciled. And there are numerous instances you can find it in the bible.

In fact till this very day, people are amending the bible to suit their desires. Fake words from God in your bible makes for a fake religion.

Your quotes are about moslems seeking forgiveness from their moon god, not seeking forgiveness or giving forgiveness to other people. Most moslems seek 'an eye for an eye' form of justice, and see the world through similar lens.
At-Taghabun 64:14
يَٰٓأَيُّهَاٱلَّذِينَءَامَنُوٓاْإِنَّمِنۡأَزۡوَٰجِكُمۡوَأَوۡلَٰدِكُمۡعَدُوّٗالَّكُمۡفَٱحۡذَرُوهُمۡۚوَإِنتَعۡفُواْوَتَصۡفَحُواْوَتَغۡفِرُواْفَإِنَّٱللَّهَغَفُورٞرَّحِيمٌ١٤
O believers! Indeed, some of your spouses and children are enemies to you, so beware of them. But if you pardon, overlook, and forgive ˹their faults˺, then Allah is truly All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

An-Nur 24:22
وَلَايَأۡتَلِأُوْلُواْٱلۡفَضۡلِمِنكُمۡوَٱلسَّعَةِأَنيُؤۡتُوٓاْأُوْلِيٱلۡقُرۡبَىٰوَٱلۡمَسَٰكِينَوَٱلۡمُهَٰجِرِينَفِيسَبِيلِٱللَّهِۖوَلۡيَعۡفُواْوَلۡيَصۡفَحُوٓاْۗأَلَاتُحِبُّونَأَنيَغۡفِرَٱللَّهُلَكُمۡۚوَٱللَّهُغَفُورٞرَّحِيمٌ٢٢
Do not let the people of virtue and affluence among you swear to suspend donations to their relatives, the needy, and the emigrants in the cause of Allah. Let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love to be forgiven by Allah? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Ash-Shuraa 42:43
وَلَمَنصَبَرَوَغَفَرَإِنَّذَٰلِكَلَمِنۡعَزۡمِٱلۡأُمُورِ٤٣
And whoever endures patiently and forgives—surely this is a resolve to aspire to.

Ash-Shuraa 42:37
وَٱلَّذِينَيَجۡتَنِبُونَكَبَٰٓئِرَٱلۡإِثۡمِوَٱلۡفَوَٰحِشَوَإِذَامَاغَضِبُواْهُمۡيَغۡفِرُونَ٣٧
who avoid major sins and shameful deeds, and forgive when angered;

Al-Ma'idah 5:118
إِنتُعَذِّبۡهُمۡفَإِنَّهُمۡعِبَادُكَۖوَإِنتَغۡفِرۡلَهُمۡفَإِنَّكَأَنتَٱلۡعَزِيزُٱلۡحَكِيمُ١١٨
If You punish them, they belong to You after all. But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise.”

Al-Hijr 15:85
وَمَاخَلَقۡنَاٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِوَٱلۡأَرۡضَوَمَابَيۡنَهُمَآإِلَّابِٱلۡحَقِّۗوَإِنَّٱلسَّاعَةَلَأٓتِيَةٞۖفَٱصۡفَحِٱلصَّفۡحَٱلۡجَمِيلَ٨٥
We have not created the heavens and the earth and everything in between except for a purpose. And the Hour is certain to come, so forgive graciously.

Need more evidence? Quran is full of instances calling on you to forgive at every chance you get.

In fact an eye for an eye is a Christian concept of vengeance.

Here are some examples of 'blood money' and 'forgiveness' in islamic justice systems. Usually, the murderers walk free and the court treats murder like a private dispute between two parties. Even moslems are getting fed up with crappy islamic system of justice.

Isn't that the most perfect form of justice? Who best to vary punishment within prescribed limits, except the immediate family?
Who are you to demand when the family has forgiven?
 

JohnTan

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There is no contradiction between Quran and Hadith. It is a universally agreed convention that if a Hadith is at odds with the Quran, then the Hadith is put aside as it may have been corrupted as it is not the words of Allah.

No contradiction between quran and hadith but it is possible for hadith to be at odds with quran. Weird logic.

Only the Quran stand alone as incorruptible and perfect.

No historic proof from moslems. The earliest compilers of the quran burnt all their original scrolls and animal skins on which were manuscripts of each surah. There are also no surviving copies of their earliest qurans.

Other than that, some guy seems to have did research and found at least 26 different versions of the quran.


Isn't that the most perfect form of justice? Who best to vary punishment within prescribed limits, except the immediate family?
Who are you to demand when the family has forgiven?

Letting murderers walk free because they intimidated the victim's family into publicly forgiving them?

Who are you to demand that the law step in to punish murder each time?


At-Taghabun 64:14
يَٰٓأَيُّهَاٱلَّذِينَءَامَنُوٓاْإِنَّمِنۡأَزۡوَٰجِكُمۡوَأَوۡلَٰدِكُمۡعَدُوّٗالَّكُمۡفَٱحۡذَرُوهُمۡۚوَإِنتَعۡفُواْوَتَصۡفَحُواْوَتَغۡفِرُواْفَإِنَّٱللَّهَغَفُورٞرَّحِيمٌ١٤
O believers! Indeed, some of your spouses and children are enemies to you, so beware of them. But if you pardon, overlook, and forgive ˹their faults˺, then Allah is truly All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

An-Nur 24:22
وَلَايَأۡتَلِأُوْلُواْٱلۡفَضۡلِمِنكُمۡوَٱلسَّعَةِأَنيُؤۡتُوٓاْأُوْلِيٱلۡقُرۡبَىٰوَٱلۡمَسَٰكِينَوَٱلۡمُهَٰجِرِينَفِيسَبِيلِٱللَّهِۖوَلۡيَعۡفُواْوَلۡيَصۡفَحُوٓاْۗأَلَاتُحِبُّونَأَنيَغۡفِرَٱللَّهُلَكُمۡۚوَٱللَّهُغَفُورٞرَّحِيمٌ٢٢
Do not let the people of virtue and affluence among you swear to suspend donations to their relatives, the needy, and the emigrants in the cause of Allah. Let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love to be forgiven by Allah? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Ash-Shuraa 42:43
وَلَمَنصَبَرَوَغَفَرَإِنَّذَٰلِكَلَمِنۡعَزۡمِٱلۡأُمُورِ٤٣
And whoever endures patiently and forgives—surely this is a resolve to aspire to.

Ash-Shuraa 42:37
وَٱلَّذِينَيَجۡتَنِبُونَكَبَٰٓئِرَٱلۡإِثۡمِوَٱلۡفَوَٰحِشَوَإِذَامَاغَضِبُواْهُمۡيَغۡفِرُونَ٣٧
who avoid major sins and shameful deeds, and forgive when angered;

Al-Ma'idah 5:118
إِنتُعَذِّبۡهُمۡفَإِنَّهُمۡعِبَادُكَۖوَإِنتَغۡفِرۡلَهُمۡفَإِنَّكَأَنتَٱلۡعَزِيزُٱلۡحَكِيمُ١١٨
If You punish them, they belong to You after all. But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise.”

Al-Hijr 15:85
وَمَاخَلَقۡنَاٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِوَٱلۡأَرۡضَوَمَابَيۡنَهُمَآإِلَّابِٱلۡحَقِّۗوَإِنَّٱلسَّاعَةَلَأٓتِيَةٞۖفَٱصۡفَحِٱلصَّفۡحَٱلۡجَمِيلَ٨٥
We have not created the heavens and the earth and everything in between except for a purpose. And the Hour is certain to come, so forgive graciously.

Did your fake prophet follow the shit he quoted? He seems to be found of torturing people to death or having them killed for criticising him.
 
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