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I heard one packet of rice with fish and vegetable from SFI costs $5? Fact or fiction?
But boss, isn't Singapore a country that can't afford to fail for, unlike Hong Kong and European countries, it has no one to rely on?
US Army Universal Camo sucks. Looks like cement. Definitely will stand out in a war with North Korea.
And US multicam cannot work in a tropical woodland environment
We r famous for throwing money down toilet bowl. Rem the ridiculous exercise to find a name for marina bay ?
Best Camouflaging Ever
Conqueror had once camouflaged his own face very well that no one recognizes me. You see this the OBJECTIVE or AIM of camouflaging by distorting your facial features so that the enemies who walk pass you will not detect you after seeing your face.
You know how this STUPID SAF people camouflage, rite ? Candy men ! OMG !
The pixel type also gone case. Oo kana boh (useless).
Conqueror had once camouflaged his own face very well that no one recognizes me. You see this the OBJECTIVE or AIM of camouflaging by distorting your facial features so that the enemies who walk pass you will not detect you after seeing your face.
You know how this STUPID SAF people camouflage, rite ? Candy men ! OMG !
The pixel type also gone case. Oo kana boh (useless).
Re: Best Camouflaging Ever
Realities. Pixels vs Multicam. Pixels work the only the jungle.
Realities. Pixels vs Multicam. Pixels work the only the jungle.
Re: Best Camouflaging Ever
SAF is nothing going to admit they F.up, No way after spending billions.
Anyways, This is yet another mistake of the PAP that is going F. all of us up.. Now they are exposing us to the enemy.
:oIo::oIo::oIo:
SAF is nothing going to admit they F.up, No way after spending billions.
Anyways, This is yet another mistake of the PAP that is going F. all of us up.. Now they are exposing us to the enemy.
:oIo::oIo::oIo:
Re: Best Camouflaging Ever
A unique unconventional way of using English isn't it?
One would need a degree in English language to understand. If I may help the brudders here with my limited England...
SAF is not going to admit they Fucked up. No way after spending billions (although I doubt they spend billions to change the uniform).
Anyway, this is another mistake of the PAP that is going Fucked all of us up.
Now they are exposing us to the enemy (this one I dunno what you mean).
A unique unconventional way of using English isn't it?
One would need a degree in English language to understand. If I may help the brudders here with my limited England...
SAF is not going to admit they Fucked up. No way after spending billions (although I doubt they spend billions to change the uniform).
Anyway, this is another mistake of the PAP that is going Fucked all of us up.
Now they are exposing us to the enemy (this one I dunno what you mean).
That's fantastic. The enemy snipers can take them out one by one, and the American boys will be flown back to USA in flag-draped coffins.
That's fantastic. The enemy snipers can take them out one by one, and the American boys will be flown back to USA in flag-draped coffins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Army_Combat_Uniform.jpg
Can this work in a sandy desert or jungle?
US now realised that pixelated military uniform expose soldiers to dangers & death...
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/24/06...age-fiasco-1-5/
NATICK, Mass. — The Army is changing clothes.
Over the next year, America’s largest fighting force is swapping its camouflage pattern. The move is a quiet admission that the last uniform — a pixelated design that debuted in 2004 at a cost of $5 billion — was a colossal mistake.
Soldiers have roundly criticized the gray-green uniform for standing out almost everywhere it’s been worn. Industry insiders have called the financial mess surrounding the pattern a “fiasco.”
As Army researchers work furiously on a newer, better camouflage, it’s natural to ask what went wrong and how they’ll avoid the same missteps this time around. In a candid interview with The Daily, several of those researchers said Army brass interfered in the selection process during the last round, letting looks and politics get in the way of science.
“It got into political hands before the soldiers ever got the uniforms,” said Cheryl Stewardson, a textile technologist at the Army research center in Natick, Mass., where most of the armed forces camouflage patterns are made.
The researchers say that science is carrying the day this time, as they run four patterns through a rigorous battery of tests. The goal is to give soldiers different patterns suitable for different environments, plus a single neutral pattern — matching the whole family — to be used on more expensive body armor and other gear. The selection will involve hundreds of computer trials as well on-the-ground testing at half a dozen locations around the world.
But until the new pattern is put in the field — a move that’s still a year or more away — soldiers in Afghanistan have been given a temporary fix: a greenish, blended replacement called MultiCam. The changeover came only after several non-commissioned officers complained to late Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha, and he took up the cause in 2009. Outside of Afghanistan, the rest of the Army is still stuck with the gray Universal Camouflage Pattern, or UCP. And some soldiers truly hate it.
“Essentially, the Army designed a universal uniform that universally failed in every environment,” said an Army specialist who served two tours in Iraq, wearing UCP in Baghdad and the deserts outside Basra. “The only time I have ever seen it work well was in a gravel pit.”
The specialist asked that his name be withheld because he wasn’t authorized to speak to the press.
“As a cavalry scout, it is my job to stay hidden. Wearing a uniform that stands out this badly makes it hard to do our job effectively,” he said. “If we can see our own guys across a distance because of it, then so can our enemy.”
The fact that the government spent $5 billion on a camouflage design that actually made its soldiers more visible — and then took eight years to correct the problem — has also left people in the camouflage industry incensed. The total cost comes from the Army itself and includes the price of developing the pattern and producing it for the entire service branch.
“You’ve got to look back and say what a huge waste of money that was,” said Lawrence Holsworth, marketing director of a camouflage company called Hyde Definition and the editor of Strike-Hold!, a website that tracks military gear. “UCP was such a fiasco.”
The Army’s camouflage researchers say the story of the universal pattern’s origins begins when they helped develop a similarly pixilated camouflage now worn by the Marine Corps. That pattern, known as MARPAT, first appeared in 2002 after being selected from among dozens of candidates and receiving plenty of input from Marines on the ground at the sniper school in Quantico, Va. The Marines even found one of the baseline colors themselves, an earth tone now called Coyote Brown.
“They went to Home Depot, looked at paint swatches, and said, ‘We want that color,’ ” said Anabelle Dugas, a textile technologist at Natick who helped develop the pattern. That particular hue, she added, was part of a paint series then sold by Ralph Lauren.
Around the same time, the Army was on the hunt for a new camouflage pattern that could solve glaring logistical problem on the ground in Iraq. Without enough desert-specific gear to go around, soldiers were going to war in three-color desert fatigues but strapping dark green vests and gear harness over their chests. At rifle distances, the problem posed by the dark gear over light clothing was as obvious as it was distressing.
Kristine Isherwood, a mechanical engineer on Natick’s camouflage team, said simply, “It shows where to shoot.”
The Army researchers rushed to put new camouflages to the test — several in-house designs and a precursor of MultiCam developed by an outside company. The plan was to spend two years testing patterns and color schemes from different angles and distances and in different environments. The Army published results of the trials in 2004, declaring a tan, brushstroke pattern called Desert Brush the winner — but that design never saw the light of day.
The problem, the researchers said, was an oddly named branch of the Army in charge of equipping soldiers with gear — Program Executive Office Soldier — had suddenly ordered Natick’s camouflage team to pick a pattern long before trials were finished.
“They jumped the gun,” said James Fairneny, an electrical engineer on Natick’s camouflage team.
Researchers said they received a puzzling order: Take the winning colors and create a pixilated pattern. Researchers were ordered to “basically put it in the Marine Corps pattern,” Fairneny said.
For a decision that could ultimately affect more than a million soldiers in the Army, reserves and National Guard, the sudden shift from Program Executive Office Soldier was a head-scratcher. The consensus among the researchers was the Army brass had watched the Marine Corps don their new uniforms and caught a case of pixilated camouflage envy.
“It was trendy,” Stewardson said. “If it’s good enough for the Marines, why shouldn’t the Army have that same cool new look?”
The brigadier general ultimately responsible for the decision, James Moran, who retired from the Army after leaving Program Executive Office Soldier, has not responded to messages seeking comment.
It’s worth noting that, flawed as it was, the universal pattern did solve the problem of mismatched gear, said Eric Graves, editor of the military gear publication Soldier Systems Daily, adding that the pattern also gave soldiers a new-looking uniform that clearly identified the Army brand.
“Brand identity trumped camouflage utility,” Graves said. “That’s what this really comes down to: ‘We can’t allow the Marine Corps to look more cool than the Army.’ ”
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* With the US military now ditching the pixelated uniforms urgently, I believe the dangers of this pixelated camo to a soldiers' lives are real.
Hope our SAF will ditch it too for safety concerns.
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/24/06...age-fiasco-1-5/
NATICK, Mass. — The Army is changing clothes.
Over the next year, America’s largest fighting force is swapping its camouflage pattern. The move is a quiet admission that the last uniform — a pixelated design that debuted in 2004 at a cost of $5 billion — was a colossal mistake.
Soldiers have roundly criticized the gray-green uniform for standing out almost everywhere it’s been worn. Industry insiders have called the financial mess surrounding the pattern a “fiasco.”
As Army researchers work furiously on a newer, better camouflage, it’s natural to ask what went wrong and how they’ll avoid the same missteps this time around. In a candid interview with The Daily, several of those researchers said Army brass interfered in the selection process during the last round, letting looks and politics get in the way of science.
“It got into political hands before the soldiers ever got the uniforms,” said Cheryl Stewardson, a textile technologist at the Army research center in Natick, Mass., where most of the armed forces camouflage patterns are made.
The researchers say that science is carrying the day this time, as they run four patterns through a rigorous battery of tests. The goal is to give soldiers different patterns suitable for different environments, plus a single neutral pattern — matching the whole family — to be used on more expensive body armor and other gear. The selection will involve hundreds of computer trials as well on-the-ground testing at half a dozen locations around the world.
But until the new pattern is put in the field — a move that’s still a year or more away — soldiers in Afghanistan have been given a temporary fix: a greenish, blended replacement called MultiCam. The changeover came only after several non-commissioned officers complained to late Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha, and he took up the cause in 2009. Outside of Afghanistan, the rest of the Army is still stuck with the gray Universal Camouflage Pattern, or UCP. And some soldiers truly hate it.
“Essentially, the Army designed a universal uniform that universally failed in every environment,” said an Army specialist who served two tours in Iraq, wearing UCP in Baghdad and the deserts outside Basra. “The only time I have ever seen it work well was in a gravel pit.”
The specialist asked that his name be withheld because he wasn’t authorized to speak to the press.
“As a cavalry scout, it is my job to stay hidden. Wearing a uniform that stands out this badly makes it hard to do our job effectively,” he said. “If we can see our own guys across a distance because of it, then so can our enemy.”
The fact that the government spent $5 billion on a camouflage design that actually made its soldiers more visible — and then took eight years to correct the problem — has also left people in the camouflage industry incensed. The total cost comes from the Army itself and includes the price of developing the pattern and producing it for the entire service branch.
“You’ve got to look back and say what a huge waste of money that was,” said Lawrence Holsworth, marketing director of a camouflage company called Hyde Definition and the editor of Strike-Hold!, a website that tracks military gear. “UCP was such a fiasco.”
The Army’s camouflage researchers say the story of the universal pattern’s origins begins when they helped develop a similarly pixilated camouflage now worn by the Marine Corps. That pattern, known as MARPAT, first appeared in 2002 after being selected from among dozens of candidates and receiving plenty of input from Marines on the ground at the sniper school in Quantico, Va. The Marines even found one of the baseline colors themselves, an earth tone now called Coyote Brown.
“They went to Home Depot, looked at paint swatches, and said, ‘We want that color,’ ” said Anabelle Dugas, a textile technologist at Natick who helped develop the pattern. That particular hue, she added, was part of a paint series then sold by Ralph Lauren.
Around the same time, the Army was on the hunt for a new camouflage pattern that could solve glaring logistical problem on the ground in Iraq. Without enough desert-specific gear to go around, soldiers were going to war in three-color desert fatigues but strapping dark green vests and gear harness over their chests. At rifle distances, the problem posed by the dark gear over light clothing was as obvious as it was distressing.
Kristine Isherwood, a mechanical engineer on Natick’s camouflage team, said simply, “It shows where to shoot.”
The Army researchers rushed to put new camouflages to the test — several in-house designs and a precursor of MultiCam developed by an outside company. The plan was to spend two years testing patterns and color schemes from different angles and distances and in different environments. The Army published results of the trials in 2004, declaring a tan, brushstroke pattern called Desert Brush the winner — but that design never saw the light of day.
The problem, the researchers said, was an oddly named branch of the Army in charge of equipping soldiers with gear — Program Executive Office Soldier — had suddenly ordered Natick’s camouflage team to pick a pattern long before trials were finished.
“They jumped the gun,” said James Fairneny, an electrical engineer on Natick’s camouflage team.
Researchers said they received a puzzling order: Take the winning colors and create a pixilated pattern. Researchers were ordered to “basically put it in the Marine Corps pattern,” Fairneny said.
For a decision that could ultimately affect more than a million soldiers in the Army, reserves and National Guard, the sudden shift from Program Executive Office Soldier was a head-scratcher. The consensus among the researchers was the Army brass had watched the Marine Corps don their new uniforms and caught a case of pixilated camouflage envy.
“It was trendy,” Stewardson said. “If it’s good enough for the Marines, why shouldn’t the Army have that same cool new look?”
The brigadier general ultimately responsible for the decision, James Moran, who retired from the Army after leaving Program Executive Office Soldier, has not responded to messages seeking comment.
It’s worth noting that, flawed as it was, the universal pattern did solve the problem of mismatched gear, said Eric Graves, editor of the military gear publication Soldier Systems Daily, adding that the pattern also gave soldiers a new-looking uniform that clearly identified the Army brand.
“Brand identity trumped camouflage utility,” Graves said. “That’s what this really comes down to: ‘We can’t allow the Marine Corps to look more cool than the Army.’ ”
[email protected]
@ErikJGerman
* With the US military now ditching the pixelated uniforms urgently, I believe the dangers of this pixelated camo to a soldiers' lives are real.
Hope our SAF will ditch it too for safety concerns.
Re: US now realised that pixelated military uniform expose soldiers to dangers & deat
The problem is the predominant colour of the US uniform--grey/cement colour. Definitely visible in Afghanistan and Iraq terrain, most visible in jungle. SAF's greenish pixelised uni works in our jungle but definitely not in urban or Iraq/Afghan terrain. US made the first mistake-grey uniform. Even a 2 year old can spot the diff--grey against brown.
SAF tried pixelised desrt uni--have the Taliban shot a SAF solider yet?
The problem is the predominant colour of the US uniform--grey/cement colour. Definitely visible in Afghanistan and Iraq terrain, most visible in jungle. SAF's greenish pixelised uni works in our jungle but definitely not in urban or Iraq/Afghan terrain. US made the first mistake-grey uniform. Even a 2 year old can spot the diff--grey against brown.
SAF tried pixelised desrt uni--have the Taliban shot a SAF solider yet?
doesn't matter what they are wearing.
more important is ' can they fight in a war ? ' , 'are the soldier willing to fight or run away ?'
i heard sinkie soldiers kena killed in some waterfall in malaysia and their cock also cut off.
have sinkie soldiers improved ?
more important is ' can they fight in a war ? ' , 'are the soldier willing to fight or run away ?'
i heard sinkie soldiers kena killed in some waterfall in malaysia and their cock also cut off.
have sinkie soldiers improved ?
More sources please
You mean the Kota Tingi incident?
I don't think they are following the US of A ; with the introduction of the Navy and Airforce pixel uniform, first impression was PLA but a subtle version.
One thing is certain for our army algae uniform; it really works. Heard from close friends whom were harvesting durians in certain areas in the west when suddenly a company got up and charge upfront. Leaving the durian hunters stunned as no one expected training in that area or noticed anything and my friend in a cast for weeks for his stupidity . One incident that got everyone laughing for weeks.
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