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Russia and China vs the Rest of the World

glockman

Old Fart
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Every other day, the constant threatening of taking back Taiwan by force if necessary and you call this "maintaining world peace."


Ramming Philippines and Vietnamese commercial fishing boats with their frigates and you call this "stood for maintaining peace."


Refusing to sanction Russia and even claiming sanctions are "outrageous" and you call this "is in line with the wishes of most countries."


What a full load of bull-shit? Really cannot stand this type of fucker using his ass to talk, just like some of those Russian Porlumpas in this forum.
Chill, chill. Everyone with a head properly screwed on would not trust the commies 100%. Let's wait and see how this plays out. There was this one news commentator who said, until they find the wreckage of a missile or a military hardware that has chinese words or markings in Ukraine, China is deemed to be not supplying arms to Russia. I think even if China sends arms to Russia, they wouldn't leave chinese words or markings on them bah.:biggrin:
 

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
And yet you fail to see how US imposes it’s will on China… any self respecting person will not budge. US is not smart. Xi JP doesn’t take this kind of ridiculous self righteous unilateral requests… US still never learnt after all these years
You referring to this? U.S. President Joe Biden warned his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, on Friday of “consequences” if Beijing gave material support to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Yeah, I thought it was quite garang and unfriendly for that old fossil to have said this. Could've put it across with more tact, I think.
 

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
Are you okay? With trade, everyone knows that China trades with huge amount of advantages with its trading partners. If possible, they will want their goods to be sold with no tariffs whilst imported goods into China are subjected to the taxation at their discretion. With technologies, everyone knows that China has been stealing IP rights, especially on those foreign companies set up in China. Already, there are so many concessions given to China and this is the exact reason why China can be so rich today.
China is rich today because of the west and the Asian Tigers, who flocked to their country to trade, build and invest. Thanks to Deng Xiaoping who implemented economy reforms to build a modern China. Ultimately, Xi Jinping is smart to know which side his bread is buttered on. China might be an economic super power, but it is certainly not a military super power (a paper tiger lah). As for being an economic super power, it can all be taken away if china is deemed to be a hostile country. So, they need to stay engaged with the rest of the world.
 

winners

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My company is an angmoh company which relies on big tech in China for growth in the last 5 years. There are occasional bad paymasters but otherwise, China has been our top performing country in AsiaPac for the last 5 years. The ignorant thinks China depends on the west etc. I can tell you without the huge pockets of Chinese conglomerates many angmo MNCs would have folded. I don’t know what kind of Chinese customers you deal with, probably some small timers who can’t make ends meet. You find such companies anywhere in the world.
Mostly those state owned enterprises are the chao kars. In addition, kick-backs must be provided to their top management in order to close the deals. Costs of our machines can range from €400k (standalone) to over €2m, depending on the complexity and the number of machines required for a fully automated line. We have much lesser problems with private enterprises, especially with the Taiwanese which set up their factories in Kunshan, popularly known as the Mini-Taiwan. We have clients from Liaoning (Shenyang) to Qinhuandao, to Jilin, to Kunshan (Shanghai), to Guandong, to Xi'An, to Yunnan. I'd been to all these places for machine installations and training to their staffs.
 
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winners

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China is rich today because of the west and the Asian Tigers, who flocked to their country to trade, build and invest. Thanks to Deng Xiaoping who implemented economy reforms to build a modern China. Ultimately, Xi Jinping is smart to know which side his bread is buttered on. China might be an economic super power, but it is certainly not a military super power (a paper tiger lah). As for being an economic super power, it can all be taken away if china is deemed to be a hostile country. So, they need to stay engaged with the rest of the world.
Deng XiaoPing is definitely a better leader than Winnie although he was the one who called for the TianAnMen Square massacre. When I was in China previously, they used to tell me: During day time they listen to Old Deng, but during night time, they listen to Young Deng (Teresa Teng).
 
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LordElrond

Alfrescian (InfP)
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Deng XiaoPing is definitely a better leader than Winnie although he was the one who called for the TianAnMen Square massacre. When I was in China previously, they used to tell me: During day time they listen to Old Deng, but during night time, they listen to Young Deng (Teresa Teng).
Different times call for different leadership style. Deng was the strongman who provided the first step propelling China into global economy but during those days, angmoh pretty much left China alone as they were not viewed as a strong competitor. If Deng were to be the leader today, he would have needed to adapt to the external threats.
 

LordElrond

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Generous Asset
Mostly those state owned enterprises are the chao kars. In addition, kick-backs must be provided to their top management in order to close the deals. Costs of our machines can range from €400k (standalone) to over €2m, depending on the complexity and the number of machines required for a fully automated line. We have much lesser problems with private enterprises, especially with the Taiwanese which set up their factories in Kunshan, popularly known as the Mini-Taiwan. We have clients from Liaoning (Shenyang) to Qinhuandao, to Jilin, to Kunshan (Shanghai), to Guandong, to Xi'An, to Yunnan. I'd been to all these places for machine installations and training to their staffs.
The truly global enterprises like Huawei, Alibaba, Honor, Tencent do not behave like the way you mentioned. Even smaller enterprises we deal with in Wuxi are ok. We did have an issue with a Haier entity and some smaller enterprises but it is generally within tolerance limit, and definitely much better than India. The Indian state own enterprises can turn around and say the previous guy who authorised the contract did so beyond his mandate etc. As for Sinkie enterprises you can forget about it… they don’t have the budget.
 

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
Good to know not all commie chinks are dumb. :biggrin:

Chinese article urging country to cut ties with Putin gets 1m views

Helen Davidson in Taipei
@heldavidson

Sun 20 Mar 2022 13.32 EDT

When an essay from a prominent Shanghai scholar suggested China needed to cut ties with Vladimir Putin as soon as possible over the Ukraine war, the online reaction was swift.

Despite being published late on a Friday evening in the Carter Center’s US-China Perception Monitor, Hu Wei’s essay soon gained a million views in and outside China, and was republished into Chinese blogs, non-official media sites and social media accounts.

Then came the backlash, as the article was criticised for being “reckless and dangerous” vitriol. Personal attacks on Hu and the USCPM followed. By Sunday morning, their websites were blocked in China.

“Usually when the government or the censors don’t like a particular article – like [something published by] FT Chinese – they’ll just block that particular article, they don’t block the website,” said Liu Yawei, the director of the China programme at the US-based Carter Center.

“So this is highly unusual.”

China’s position on the invasion and how far it is willing to go in supporting Russia is one of most stridently debated topics of the war, but inside China the conversation is strictly controlled, with little tolerance for dissenting views.

“I’d read a lot of commentaries in Chinese media outlets, and Prof Hu’s article certainly disagreed with the majority of those articles,” said Liu. “Hu actually tried to say these are dangerous views … I made the quick decision to put it out.”

Published in English and Chinese, Hu’s essay argued that Russia’s advancement was faltering and China needed to cut ties with Putin “as soon as possible” to avoid being on the losing side and facing “further containment” from the US and the west.

“China should avoid playing both sides in the same boat, give up being neutral, and choose the mainstream position in the world,” he wrote.

China’s decisive turning point: will it side with Russia and divide the world?
Since the 24 February invasion, China has struggled to navigate an awkward position as a close ally of Russia but one unwilling to share the international condemnation and economic sanctions. It has sought to hold incompatible positions respecting Ukraine’s sovereignty and what it calls Russia’s “security concerns”. The confusion is reflected in its media and public statements.

Hu is among a number of significant Chinese voices to challenge the official line. Wang Huiyao, the president of the Beijing-based thinktank the Center for China and Globalization, argued in the New York Times that western alliances would grow stronger and closer as the war dragged on. “That is not good for China,” he said, calling for the west to bring Beijing on as a mediator and “offer the Russian leader an offramp”, which in turn could repair China’s international standing.

The messaging from China’s leadership and state media has largely presented the government as a neutral peacemaker, but blaming the US and Nato for the conflict and not criticising Russia and Putin – a key ally with whom Xi Jinping signed a “limitless” partnership shortly before the invasion.

There is an apparent effort by Chinese state media to report the facts of casualties and attacks neutrally, and directives have reportedly been issued to avoid particular stances for or against Russia and Ukraine. The dominant angle is anti-western, and government mouthpiece editorials have accused the US of fake news over claims that China may give Russia weapons.

But observers have noted the evening news has avoided depicting Ukrainian victims or damage which might engender sympathy, and is still not referring to it as an “invasion”. Reports and officials have also amplified Russian disinformation and propaganda, including conspiracy theories that the US is funding chemical weapon-producing biolabs in Ukraine, or fake polling that Ukrainians support the invasion, according to the Taiwan-based media analyst Doublethink Labs.

Foreign-facing English-language media appears to be more inclined to report on Russian atrocities and refer to it as a “war”, signalling an awareness that its position on Russia is not being well received, but this too is contradicted by the disinformation and rhetoric coming from foreign officials.

“English-language publications – such as CGTN – are directed at foreigners, and operate according to an entirely different propaganda script,” says Prof Carl Minzner, a China scholar and professor of law at Fordham law school. “But since those aren’t directed at Chinese citizens, they aren’t a good measure for evaluating how Beijing seeks to depict the conflict for its home audience.”

In non-official media and social media, pro-Russian rhetoric is much more common.

How close are China and Russia and where does Beijing stand on Ukraine?
The pro-Russian discourse among Chinese internet users aligns with – or perhaps was born of – the strong anti-US sentiment which has fostered in recent years, says Liu. “It is dangerously negative,” says Liu, and impossible to quantify.

“Thats why Hu’s voice is important,” says Liu. “We don’t know the percentage of who he’s representing but it’s an important dissenting voice.”

There is huge interest in the conflict and news stories are trending with hundreds of millions of views and tens of thousands of comments. Dissenting voices are there, mostly concerned about the impact on civilians. But they are few and far between, and subject to censorship.

On Friday Wang Jixian, a Chinese national in Odesa, posted two new video diaries to YouTube – a site banned in China – in which he railed against Putin, calling him a “coward” and “villain”, as well as against Putin’s supporters, and the Chinese authorities for shutting down debate.

Wang, whose videos have amassed hundreds of thousands of views, said much of his content had been “cancelled” and he had been blocked from sending messages on WeChat and from contacting his parents, who are still in China. He asked people to tell them he was still alive.

“Why are you pressuring my parents? Your power is bestowed to you by your people, with your guns and bombs, are these for you to fire at your own people? Do you like oppression that much? Come on, fire at your own citizen!” he said.

“Making up lies is the only technique and language you have, right? I know I am gonna see more rumours about me, but do you think I really care?”

Wang’s videos have drawn vitriol on the Chinese internet, including accusations of being a friend of separatists, a China-slanderer, a US-worshipper, and an embarrassment to Beijingers.

“Taking advantage of both sides, refined egoism, bah, disgusting,” said one.

Liu hopes Hu, who is still in China, is not punished for his essay.

“For scholars to express their own opinions, and [to] allow people to debate, is very important trait of any great power,” he says. “China says it’s a great power and any great power should have the self-confidence to allow healthy, vibrant discussion.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-country-to-cut-ties-with-putin-gets-1m-views
 

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
China is waking up to how important and powerful the world is. Fuck the russkies:biggrin:

Xi loses patience with Putin as China pulls plug on £380m deal in blow to Russian economy​

XI JINPING appears to have lost patience with Vladimir Putin, after a Chinese energy company cancelled a $500million (£380million) investment in Russia.​

By John Varga
13:02, Sun, Mar 27, 2022 | UPDATED: 14:47, Sun, Mar 27, 2022

The decision will come as a huge blow to the Russian President, who had been counting on Beijing's assistance in overcoming Western sanctions. China's president has up until now been a staunch supporter and key ally of the Russian strongman in his fight to take on the West. Prior to Putin's invasion of Ukraine, the two leaders met in Beijing ahead of the Winter Olympics, where they reaffirmed their commitment to one another.

In a joint statement both Xi and Putin declared there were "no limits" between Moscow and Beijing.

However, there are signs that Beijing may be re-evaluating its relationship with Moscow.

China's state-run Sinopec Group has pulled out of a $500million (£380million) deal to market Russian gas for Sibur in China due to fears of being targeted with sanctions.


One of Sibur's directors and investors is Gennady Timchenko, a long-term ally of Putin.

Mr Timchenko has already been sanctioned by the West in the wake of Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

The UK imposed further sanctions on the Russian billionaire in February after Putin's decision to deploy forces to the Donestk and Luhansk breakaway republics in eastern Ukraine.
Xi Jinping

President Xi Jinping appears to have lost patience with Vladimir Putin (Image: Getty)
Vladimir Putin

The cancellation of the investment is a considerable blow to Putin (Image: Getty)

Sinopec's decision comes after it attended a meeting at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

China National Petroleum Corp (CNPC) and China National Offshore Oil Corp (CNOOC) were also present, as company bosses were asked to evaluate their connections with Russia and err on the side of caution in their business dealings with the country.

An executive at Sinopec told Reuters: "Companies will rigidly follow Beijing's foreign policy in this crisis.

“There's no room whatsoever for companies to take any initiatives in terms of new investment.”

The cancellation of the investment is a considerable blow to Putin personally and to the Russian economy.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...war-vladimir-putin-sinopec-cancels-sibur-deal
 

tanwahtiu

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Loyal
Deng XiaoPing is definitely a better leader than Winnie although he was the one who called for the TianAnMen Square massacre. When I was in China previously, they used to tell me: During day time they listen to Old Deng, but during night time, they listen to Young Deng (Teresa Teng).
They used to tell you go to Xinjiang to fucky blue camels.
 

LordElrond

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
They used to tell you go to Xinjiang to fucky blue camels.
What people still do not understand is… TianAnMen incident is greatly distorted. It is like those massacre of Bucha stories manufactured by the western MSM and immortalised as the “official version of history”
 
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