Why don't you tell us how she performed in primary school then?
I'm sure we are all eager to hear about it, like how the ST published Chiam See Tong's 'O' level performance and kept everyone glued to their seats.
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Political Implications of 6.9 Protests
- Thread starter Goh Meng Seng
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Why don't you tell us how she performed in primary school then?
I'm sure we are all eager to hear about it, like how the ST published Chiam See Tong's 'O' level performance and kept everyone glued to their seats.
I am sorry, she is my junior. I don't know, you should ask PAP, ask the wrong person here.
Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
Dear GMS
The key factors affecting the success or not of any opposition party in Singapore are based on the following building blocks.
a. Party Branding
b. People ( Candidates )
c. People ( Voters)
d. PAP
They reinforce and work hand in hand and any success or failure is a result of judgement calls based on relative plus and minuses of each factor across the board. I would not discount one factor entirely and believe that its removal will be made up by the other three.
Locke
The key factors affecting the success or not of any opposition party in Singapore are based on the following building blocks.
a. Party Branding
b. People ( Candidates )
c. People ( Voters)
d. PAP
They reinforce and work hand in hand and any success or failure is a result of judgement calls based on relative plus and minuses of each factor across the board. I would not discount one factor entirely and believe that its removal will be made up by the other three.
Locke
I am not sure if the order is right. My sense is that it is personality driven. Branding is secondary. Branding only comes in when they are unsure between 2 candidates.
OTC recently asked in this forum if LLL was a PAP candidate and Dr Koh was a WP candidate who would win.
My sense is that Dr Koh literally destroyed himself while Lilian performed immaculately. She became a darling of the voters. She covered all the households and had been on the ground well before the elections. Even though there is a lot m&d on the PAP and WP has the high moral ground, I think Lilian would still win if she was in PAP. It also explains why the PAP are keen to have people like her in their next slate.
I agree that there is a lot of protest vote against the PAP but I am certain that Dr Koh even with the WP would not make it. I am also sure that WP CEC will never pick a prick like that as it goes against their party ethos.
No different to SDP doing well in 2011 with their new candidates with the stalwarts pretty much hidden. I am sure that PT and VW was offered for PEBE for the same reasons. Again personality over brand. The SDP brand is basically untenable and a deadweight.
I suppose the bicycle thief model can only go so far.
OTC recently asked in this forum if LLL was a PAP candidate and Dr Koh was a WP candidate who would win.
My sense is that Dr Koh literally destroyed himself while Lilian performed immaculately. She became a darling of the voters. She covered all the households and had been on the ground well before the elections. Even though there is a lot m&d on the PAP and WP has the high moral ground, I think Lilian would still win if she was in PAP. It also explains why the PAP are keen to have people like her in their next slate.
I agree that there is a lot of protest vote against the PAP but I am certain that Dr Koh even with the WP would not make it. I am also sure that WP CEC will never pick a prick like that as it goes against their party ethos.
No different to SDP doing well in 2011 with their new candidates with the stalwarts pretty much hidden. I am sure that PT and VW was offered for PEBE for the same reasons. Again personality over brand. The SDP brand is basically untenable and a deadweight.
I suppose the bicycle thief model can only go so far.
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You raised the subject did you not.
You must be nuts to think that primary school has any bearing. Tell us what is wrong with her? She did well in the elections, she did well in her maiden speech etc. she literally buried the surgeon.
We want decent and honest representatives in parliament. Not overly qualified pricks who are out to fether their nests. Dr Koh credibility is now in ashes because he could not help stretching the truth to such an extent it became hilarious. No money to buy chop sticks! Hide BMW and drive Toyota!
So why don't you tell us about LiLian's summer palace, Rolls Royce, that she actually runs an MLM business and sells magnetic mattresses to gullible old folks.
There are no straws to clutch where she is concerned.
You must be nuts to think that primary school has any bearing. Tell us what is wrong with her? She did well in the elections, she did well in her maiden speech etc. she literally buried the surgeon.
We want decent and honest representatives in parliament. Not overly qualified pricks who are out to fether their nests. Dr Koh credibility is now in ashes because he could not help stretching the truth to such an extent it became hilarious. No money to buy chop sticks! Hide BMW and drive Toyota!
So why don't you tell us about LiLian's summer palace, Rolls Royce, that she actually runs an MLM business and sells magnetic mattresses to gullible old folks.
There are no straws to clutch where she is concerned.
Dear Scroo.
I forgot to add that the four P's as arranged came in no particular preference. Its an interesting proposition , would quintenssial Dr Koh win on a WP ticket ? Would a LLL win on a PAP ticket ? The question as you put it is one of party ethos and the problem the PAP faces is one faced to a large degree by BN in Malaysia but to a greater and more pervasive and corrosive extent.
I would put it as this, If there was a Dr Koh somewhere out there for the WP , he would not behave like Dr Koh nor would he be like Dr Koh. Its still possible to find despite what the PAP says, rich well off people who want to serve for the honour of serving, who have already distinguished themselves and seek to contribute back to society.
LLL would never be picked by any PAP selection committee or for that matter any PAP MP. To the extent that human nature looks for those that best fit in, and to the extent that the Oxbridge mindset dominates the PAP ethos, the lowest they could find was a TPL and we know how that turned out.
Locke
I forgot to add that the four P's as arranged came in no particular preference. Its an interesting proposition , would quintenssial Dr Koh win on a WP ticket ? Would a LLL win on a PAP ticket ? The question as you put it is one of party ethos and the problem the PAP faces is one faced to a large degree by BN in Malaysia but to a greater and more pervasive and corrosive extent.
I would put it as this, If there was a Dr Koh somewhere out there for the WP , he would not behave like Dr Koh nor would he be like Dr Koh. Its still possible to find despite what the PAP says, rich well off people who want to serve for the honour of serving, who have already distinguished themselves and seek to contribute back to society.
LLL would never be picked by any PAP selection committee or for that matter any PAP MP. To the extent that human nature looks for those that best fit in, and to the extent that the Oxbridge mindset dominates the PAP ethos, the lowest they could find was a TPL and we know how that turned out.
Locke
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Absolutely agree. By the way, PAP has changed its mindset about type LLL. At least 2 slots reserved for 2016. If they can help it, looking for individuals with prior party connections, no factional candidates, not married or associated with high profile figures like Rin Tin Tin.
They will not find LLL types to suck their cocks, I am afraid.
hahaha.....some fucking idiot before the PE BE did a ranking of the potential WP candidate and ranked LLL behind many of the other candidates.
really don't understand why the idiot has to do that before the BE.
truely a retard or slimey charactor......you guys be the judge.
really don't understand why the idiot has to do that before the BE.
truely a retard or slimey charactor......you guys be the judge.
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I am sure people are waiting eagerly for the 2 from PAP. Quite a suspense. They are likely to come from either the nursing or teaching profession from what I hear.
People will know tokens when they see them. There was nothing wrong with the hapless TPL except she couldn't give a good reason why she was there. Contrast that with Nicole (about the same age , same experience) who had fire in her belly. The PAP does not need to look for people from humble backgrounds. A Lily Neo or two would do. Someone with ability and who really cares.
I dun really understand the point of guessing the outcome if LLL and Koh switched party.
If LLL was fielded by the White Scums, would she bother to cover 100% of the household? Would she still campaign in her girl-next-door image or the White Scums will hire the best image consultant to give LLL a complete makeover?
If Koh was sent by WP, would he come up with stupid comments like "Son of Punggol", "everyone drives a car", "I don't need sympathy votes", "I'm my own man"? (OK maybe still possible. Look at Tiko Yaw who mentioned he voted for the White Scums. But Tiko Yaw was just being stupid instead of yaya papaya). Would his strategy still be to campaign alone at the beginning and when the going get tough, quickly rope in the big guns?
So at the end can we really determine only the impact of protest votes or party branding?
Maybe he could have won by a narrow margin if he had not spoken much like what LHK had been doing.
The 'what ifs' scenarios for Punggol East BE
1) If Goh Meng Seng stands for NSP in a 5-corner PE BE, he will lose his deposit like the 2 idiots from RP and SDA.
2) If Goh Meng Seng stands as Independant Candidate in a 5-corner PE BE, he will lose his deposit like the 2 idiots from RP and SDA.
3) If Goh Meng Seng stands for PAP in a 4-corner PE BE, he will fare worse than Koh PK (getting about 25%) but at least he will keep his deposit.
4) If Goh Meng Seng stands for WP in a 4-corner PE BE, he will lose to Koh PK.
No whatever fuck party branding or personal branding can ever get this cunt elected. Voters not blind. They know how to siam this type of shit.
1) If Goh Meng Seng stands for NSP in a 5-corner PE BE, he will lose his deposit like the 2 idiots from RP and SDA.
2) If Goh Meng Seng stands as Independant Candidate in a 5-corner PE BE, he will lose his deposit like the 2 idiots from RP and SDA.
3) If Goh Meng Seng stands for PAP in a 4-corner PE BE, he will fare worse than Koh PK (getting about 25%) but at least he will keep his deposit.
4) If Goh Meng Seng stands for WP in a 4-corner PE BE, he will lose to Koh PK.
No whatever fuck party branding or personal branding can ever get this cunt elected. Voters not blind. They know how to siam this type of shit.
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When I think about Nicole I got fire in my loins.
Maybe you are right.
But if we were to separate rear-admirer 3-weeks-old White Scum newbie Koh from the way he speaks, it may then dilute the assessment on impact of protest votes or party branding.
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That's why I find Rabid GohMS's comment about dunno what "point system" damn profound that rocket scientist also can't solve. The embarrassing part is, if he has figured out this "point system" of his, then why he never win any election?
Rabid GohMS:-
"
What makes a good team or result in a good result depends on a lot of factors, not just one factor like "Party Branding". In a more simpler terms, you just list out all the factors that can affect performance of any opposition party in any contest that comes with a point system. Try to give points... like ground work, candidates, opponents, PAP, policy, local ground issues etc. Then you add them up as a score card for each party, tally and compare, you will get your answers.
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I think in your 2nd post you made a gross mistake by saying "nor candidates' quality (LLL has in fact the most unimpressive paper qualification)". By this statement you unwittingly tied a person's quality (usually attributed to talent or character) to paper qualification. If you had said "nor candidates paper credentials (LLL ..... )", you would not have looked so odd.
Actually they have already started looking for such types in 2001, where they produced Penny Low and Indranee.
The problem is whether a LLL under PAP is still a LLL, because for some parties like PAP, LLL-type images cannot sell. Any LLL under PAP won't look like a LLL.
Over many years, PAP's branding has been associated with professors, PhDs and richmen. To survive, PAP should just deal with the policies and forget the candidates tweaking.
I am very sure that the PAP will fail in their quest to manufacture NS or LLL.
Beyond their personalities, NS, LLL and their like capture hearts because they are fighting for a cause which many Singaporeans have come to believe in. Many Singaporeans see them as heroines standing up for Singaporeans against an oppressive government. They are thus blessed with a positive aura which makes them appear noble, beautiful sincere and whatever adjective you might want to describe them. In short order, they win hearts and votes.
If they had stood for the PAP on the other hand, they would be bathed in a negative aura instead. No matter how good they are, they will be seen as people recruited by the PAP to try and "con" Singaporeans. NS would come across as a bimbo airhead spouting insincere nonsense about helping the elderly poor. Her crying at sad tales would be described as crocodile tears. LL would probably be perceived as a chubby airhead in the same league as Tin Pei Ling. Her missing front tooth which has become so endearing, would become the butt of endless jokes.
Beyond their personalities, NS, LLL and their like capture hearts because they are fighting for a cause which many Singaporeans have come to believe in. Many Singaporeans see them as heroines standing up for Singaporeans against an oppressive government. They are thus blessed with a positive aura which makes them appear noble, beautiful sincere and whatever adjective you might want to describe them. In short order, they win hearts and votes.
If they had stood for the PAP on the other hand, they would be bathed in a negative aura instead. No matter how good they are, they will be seen as people recruited by the PAP to try and "con" Singaporeans. NS would come across as a bimbo airhead spouting insincere nonsense about helping the elderly poor. Her crying at sad tales would be described as crocodile tears. LL would probably be perceived as a chubby airhead in the same league as Tin Pei Ling. Her missing front tooth which has become so endearing, would become the butt of endless jokes.
If that is the case I say PAP is truly screwed. Any heartlander who can connect with the people will be labelled as insincere. Any person with high flying career will be seen as cut from the same aristocratic cloth as previous mandarins.
In any case the PAP is likely to face an even harder task trying to recruit candidates for 2015/16 because very few people of character will want to be seen as helping to prop up a regime that no longer cares for Singaporeans or acts in their interest. All that is left for PAP will be those half baked souls. The downward spiral will be unstoppable.
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