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PAP Is Contradicting Itself
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Welcome to the Great Reset. 
The pappies take their orders from their Davos masters and the World Economic Forum... it's more than a public health matter.
It's not a uniquely Sinkieland thing... certain other countries and cities are also fully invested into this.
Something for the Chinese language folks to enjoy:
The pappies take their orders from their Davos masters and the World Economic Forum... it's more than a public health matter.
It's not a uniquely Sinkieland thing... certain other countries and cities are also fully invested into this.
Something for the Chinese language folks to enjoy:
Delta infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html
Its not a contradiction when you see the statements they make as lies.
BECAUSE THE NATIONAL RESERVES HAS NO MORE MONEY AND THEY BORROW MONEY FROM THE CABAL SO THEY TAKE ORDERS FROM THE CABAL TO POSION VAXX EVERYONE. Sounds logical? Or just another conspiracy theory.
I think the borrowing happened a long time ago, long before the plandemic happened. That's when BlackRock and possibly other similar entities entered the picture.
Don't forget the 'infrastructure' bonds.
https://www.straitstimes.com/busine...sale-of-singa-bonds-to-finance-infrastructure
Well, it has been a good run, but all good things must come to an end. 1965 - ...?
KNN pap said can live with covid but cannot cause hospital bottlenecks so the correct statement to make without lies should be we cannot live with covid as per normal KNN this is the core of the problem with pap
Depends on what 'live with' means. A battered wife can live with an abusive husband, she can call it the 'new normal' and call herself 'punch-resilient'.
What pivot?
Anyway I am posting the whole article here.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html
Media Statement
For Immediate Release: Friday, July 30, 2021
Contact: Media Relations
(404) 639-3286
On July 27th, CDC updated its guidance for fully vaccinated people, recommending that everyone wear a mask in indoor public settings in areas of substantial and high transmission, regardless of vaccination status. This decision was made with the data and science available to CDC at the time, including a valuable public health partnership resulting in rapid receipt and review of unpublished data.
Today, some of those data were published in CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), demonstrating that Delta infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus. This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation. The masking recommendation was updated to ensure the vaccinated public would not unknowingly transmit virus to others, including their unvaccinated or immunocompromised loved ones.
This outbreak investigation and the published report were a collaboration between the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Public Health and CDC. I am grateful to the commonwealth for their collaboration and rigorous investigation. I would also like to humbly thank the residents of Barnstable County who leaned in to assist with the investigation through their swift participation in interviews by contact tracers, willingness to provide samples for testing, and adherence to safety protocols following notification of exposure.
This outbreak investigation is one of many CDC has been involved in across the country and data from those investigations will be rapidly shared with the public when available. The agency works every day to use the best available science and data to quickly and transparently inform the American public about threats to health.
This is known as 死要面子Depends on what 'live with' means. A battered wife can live with an abusive husband, she can call it the 'new normal' and call herself 'punch-resilient'.
Thank you.
@dredd
Correct me if I am wrong but in Singapore they never relaxed the masking rules right?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_Singapore_(2021)
I was looking at the timeline of the Singapore covid measures. It is after end July that Singapore started to see the jump in cases.
A combination of the outbreaks in KTV and fish market. But Sept is when cases really started to sky rocket.
It is a good thing most of the people have been vaccinated because this delta variant is a beast when it comes to transmission! The masking strategy has very limited utility despite the CDC recommendations. But as CDC themselves state the vaccines dont prevent spread for the delta variant between vaxxed or unvaxxed.
In any infectious disease the strategy is usually to stop spread reduce spread. And that was what the vaccines were originally developed to do. Unfortunately it doesnt seem to help do that for delta variant. Although the Canadian study in my next post suggests I am wrong. Over 90% prevention of infection? Wonder what their definition of infection is. But certainly reduction in hospitalizations yes.
Nowadays there is a shift from lookig at total number of cases detected.
Delta is so transmissible regardless of vax status anyway. So likely we will hit close to 90% positive eventually.
The focus now is on hospitalizations and ICU and how many lives saved.
There is a new Canadian study that suggests mixing of vaccines and delaying 2nd dosing seems to greatly enhance protection against covid infection AND hospitalizations. Not sure how true that is with regards to the protection against infection and what does infection mean? Is asymptomatic carrier = infected? Will see.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cana...s-mixing-matching-covid-19-vaccines-1.6205993
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Adam Miller · CBC News · Posted: Oct 09, 2021 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 7 hours ago
New research from B.C. and Quebec shows the decision to vaccinate more Canadians sooner by delaying second shots by up to four months saved lives and led to strong vaccine effectiveness against all circulating strains of the virus. (Evan Mitsui/CBC)
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This is an excerpt from Second Opinion, a weekly roundup of health and medical science news emailed to subscribers every Saturday morning. If you haven't subscribed yet, you can do that by clicking here.
New Canadian data suggests the bold strategy to delay and mix second doses of COVID-19 vaccines led to strong protection from infection, hospitalization and death — even against the highly contagious delta variant — that could provide lessons for the world.
Preliminary data from researchers at the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control (BCCDC) and the Quebec National Institute of Public Health (INSPQ) shows the decision to vaccinate more Canadians sooner by delaying second shots by up to four months saved lives.
The researchers excluded long-term care residents from the data, who are generally at increased risk of hospitalization and death from COVID-19, in order to get a better sense of vaccine effectiveness in the general population — and the results were exceptional.
The analysis of close to 250,000 people in B.C. from May 30 to Sept. 11 found two doses of any of the three available COVID-19 vaccines in Canada were close to 95 per cent effective against hospitalization — regardless of the approved vaccination combination.
That means for every 100 unvaccinated people severely ill in Canadian hospitals, 95 of them could have been prevented by receiving two doses of either the AstraZeneca-Oxford, Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, or some combination of the three.
Dr. Danuta Skowronski with the B.C. Centre for Disease Control laid the groundwork for the decision to hold back second doses and says the early vaccine effectiveness data is extremely encouraging. (Harman/CBC)
Dr. Danuta Skowronski, a vaccine effectiveness expert and epidemiology lead at the BCCDC whose research laid the groundwork for the decision to hold back second doses based on the "fundamental principles of vaccinology," says the early data is extremely encouraging.
"We were very pleased to see during the period when the delta variant was not just circulating, but predominating, that we had such high protection nonetheless against both infection and hospitalization," the lead researcher on the analysis told CBC News.
"Protection was even stronger when the interval between the first and the second doses was more than six weeks apart."
In fact, the research showed that protection against COVID-19 infection from two doses of the Pfizer vaccine rose dramatically when the first and second shots were spread out — from 82 per cent after three or four weeks, to 93 per cent after four months.
"For those who received the AstraZeneca vaccine as their first dose, their protection against any infection was lower than for mRNA vaccine recipients, but they had comparable protection against hospitalization and that's the main goal," she said.
"But for those who received a first dose of AstraZeneca and a second dose as an mRNA vaccine, their protection was as good as those who had received two mRNA vaccines. So that's also a really important finding from this analysis."
While the work is still being finalized and has not yet been submitted as a pre-print or undergone peer review, the researchers felt it's important to get their early data out now to inform the public and policymakers here and abroad about the positive results.
"The mix-and-match schedules are protecting well, and my preference would be that those countries who don't recognize that get to see our data as soon as possible," she said, adding that the findings were sent to U.S. officials for review of international travel policies.
"My hope is that when they see the evidence that they will change those policies, which are frankly inconsistent with the science."
Of the 181 people who died from COVID-19 from May 30 to Sept. 11 in Quebec, just three were fully vaccinated. Researchers say that corresponds to a vaccine effectiveness against death upwards of 97 per cent based on a population analysis of nearly 1.3 million people.
Similar to the B.C. data, the Quebec research also showed more than 92 per cent protection from hospitalizations — with Pfizer, Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccines — against all circulating coronavirus variants of concern in Canada at that time, including delta.
"The takeaway is whatever vaccine people had, if they got two doses they should consider that they are very well protected against severe COVID-19," said Dr. Gaston De Serres, an epidemiologist at the INSPQ. "That's the main message."
The analysis found Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 90 per cent effective at preventing COVID-19 infections — either asymptomatic, symptomatic, or those needing hospital care — a protection rate equal to those with an AstraZeneca and mRNA vaccine combination.
For people who received two doses of AstraZeneca, the research suggests a slightly lower level of protection from infection — but one that is still remarkably high at 82 per cent.
The research showed that protection against COVID-19 infection from two doses of the Pfizer vaccine rose dramatically when the first and second shots were spread out. (Darryl Dyck/The Canadian Press)
De Serres says the National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) and the Quebec Immunization Committee (CIQ) are looking at whether additional doses may be needed for that group, but says it's "not as pressing" given the strong protection from hospitalization.
"For the time being, just stay put. If there is a recommendation for you to get an additional RNA dose you'll know in time," De Serres said. "But feel that what you've got is still a very good regimen to protect you against what we fear most — which is severe COVID-19."
The NACI recommendation in March to delay second doses of all three COVID-19 vaccines by up to four months was not without controversy at the time, and no doubt led to confusion among many Canadians about whether they were adequately protected.
Canada's Chief Science Adviser Mona Nemer said in early March that the strategy amounted to a "population level experiment," while at the same time health officials tried to reassure the public that the approach was safe and effective.
Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona who was not involved in the study, says the results are "very encouraging" and provide evidence of "improved real world protection" from delaying second doses.
But he admits even he was initially skeptical.
"I was uneasy about it in large part because I just wasn't sure how well the protection would hold up in the interim," he said. "Obviously it turned out well … but it was risky, and that gamble paid off."
Bhattacharya says the Canadian data now provides real world evidence that vaccinated people produce more antibodies if their second shot is delayed, and the quality of those antibodies may actually improve — which could explain the better protection against delta.
"What I'm really wondering now going forward is whether the recommendations are going to fundamentally change as to when we should get that second shot," he said, referring to other countries around the world. "I wish I'd gotten mine later now in retrospect."
But experts caution that while countries reporting diminished vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection may be making headlines, the more important factor is that the studies largely show the vaccines have prolonged protection against severe COVID-19 — meaning hospitalization and death.
"We really should keep our eyes on the prize, which is preserving healthcare system capacity and preventing unnecessary suffering," said Skowronski. "We're not going to prevent every case of COVID-19. Our goal was never to prevent the sniffles. Our goal was to prevent serious outcomes."
Still, the B.C. and Quebec data showed "no signs" of waning immunity in the general population four months after the second mRNA dose and strong protection against infection of more than 80 to 90 per cent maintained. The analysis doesn't go beyond five months, but the researchers will continue monitoring vaccine effectiveness.
"We should be reassured that our vaccine effectiveness from this calculation, from what I've seen, will be robust with its protection," said Alyson Kelvin, an assistant professor at Dalhousie University and virologist at the Canadian Center for Vaccinology and the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization in Saskatoon who was not involved in the research.
"We must continue to have public health measures in place as well as expect at some point we might need a booster, but data like this will inform when we do and right now it's suggesting that we don't need it yet — but we have to keep vigilant."
WATCH | Canada recommends COVID-19 booster shots for long-term care residents:
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Amid a global debate over COVID-19 vaccine boosters, the National Advisory Committee on Immunization is recommending third doses for Canada’s most vulnerable, especially seniors in long-term care homes. 1:58
Skowronski says that while she supports giving long-term care residents and immunocompromised people third doses of COVID-19 vaccines to increase their protection based on emerging data, including from Canada, there isn't enough evidence yet for average Canadians.
Until then, she says Canadians should feel well protected against severe outcomes from COVID-19 in the delta-driven fourth wave if they're fully vaccinated with any of the approved vaccine combinations in Canada.
"We're going to have to learn to live with SARS-CoV-2, including in it's very many future iterations," she said.
"But so long as we can prevent severe outcomes and maintain healthcare system capacity, we can come to a kind of a mutual understanding with this virus."
Delta is so transmissible regardless of vax status anyway. So likely we will hit close to 90% positive eventually.
The focus now is on hospitalizations and ICU and how many lives saved.
There is a new Canadian study that suggests mixing of vaccines and delaying 2nd dosing seems to greatly enhance protection against covid infection AND hospitalizations. Not sure how true that is with regards to the protection against infection and what does infection mean? Is asymptomatic carrier = infected? Will see.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cana...s-mixing-matching-covid-19-vaccines-1.6205993
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New data suggests Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines paid off
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New research from B.C. and Quebec shows the decision to vaccinate more Canadians sooner by delaying second shots by up to four months saved lives and led to strong vaccine effectiveness against all circulating strains of the virus. (Evan Mitsui/CBC)
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This is an excerpt from Second Opinion, a weekly roundup of health and medical science news emailed to subscribers every Saturday morning. If you haven't subscribed yet, you can do that by clicking here.
New Canadian data suggests the bold strategy to delay and mix second doses of COVID-19 vaccines led to strong protection from infection, hospitalization and death — even against the highly contagious delta variant — that could provide lessons for the world.
Preliminary data from researchers at the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control (BCCDC) and the Quebec National Institute of Public Health (INSPQ) shows the decision to vaccinate more Canadians sooner by delaying second shots by up to four months saved lives.
The researchers excluded long-term care residents from the data, who are generally at increased risk of hospitalization and death from COVID-19, in order to get a better sense of vaccine effectiveness in the general population — and the results were exceptional.
The analysis of close to 250,000 people in B.C. from May 30 to Sept. 11 found two doses of any of the three available COVID-19 vaccines in Canada were close to 95 per cent effective against hospitalization — regardless of the approved vaccination combination.
That means for every 100 unvaccinated people severely ill in Canadian hospitals, 95 of them could have been prevented by receiving two doses of either the AstraZeneca-Oxford, Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, or some combination of the three.
Dr. Danuta Skowronski with the B.C. Centre for Disease Control laid the groundwork for the decision to hold back second doses and says the early vaccine effectiveness data is extremely encouraging. (Harman/CBC)
Dr. Danuta Skowronski, a vaccine effectiveness expert and epidemiology lead at the BCCDC whose research laid the groundwork for the decision to hold back second doses based on the "fundamental principles of vaccinology," says the early data is extremely encouraging.
"We were very pleased to see during the period when the delta variant was not just circulating, but predominating, that we had such high protection nonetheless against both infection and hospitalization," the lead researcher on the analysis told CBC News.
"Protection was even stronger when the interval between the first and the second doses was more than six weeks apart."
In fact, the research showed that protection against COVID-19 infection from two doses of the Pfizer vaccine rose dramatically when the first and second shots were spread out — from 82 per cent after three or four weeks, to 93 per cent after four months.
"For those who received the AstraZeneca vaccine as their first dose, their protection against any infection was lower than for mRNA vaccine recipients, but they had comparable protection against hospitalization and that's the main goal," she said.
"But for those who received a first dose of AstraZeneca and a second dose as an mRNA vaccine, their protection was as good as those who had received two mRNA vaccines. So that's also a really important finding from this analysis."
While the work is still being finalized and has not yet been submitted as a pre-print or undergone peer review, the researchers felt it's important to get their early data out now to inform the public and policymakers here and abroad about the positive results.
"The mix-and-match schedules are protecting well, and my preference would be that those countries who don't recognize that get to see our data as soon as possible," she said, adding that the findings were sent to U.S. officials for review of international travel policies.
"My hope is that when they see the evidence that they will change those policies, which are frankly inconsistent with the science."
Quebec data backs up findings from B.C.
In Quebec, thousands of kilometres away and with a different population, demographic makeup and early vaccine rollout approach — the results of a twin study that will be published alongside the B.C. data were astonishingly similar.Of the 181 people who died from COVID-19 from May 30 to Sept. 11 in Quebec, just three were fully vaccinated. Researchers say that corresponds to a vaccine effectiveness against death upwards of 97 per cent based on a population analysis of nearly 1.3 million people.
Similar to the B.C. data, the Quebec research also showed more than 92 per cent protection from hospitalizations — with Pfizer, Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccines — against all circulating coronavirus variants of concern in Canada at that time, including delta.
"The takeaway is whatever vaccine people had, if they got two doses they should consider that they are very well protected against severe COVID-19," said Dr. Gaston De Serres, an epidemiologist at the INSPQ. "That's the main message."
The analysis found Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 90 per cent effective at preventing COVID-19 infections — either asymptomatic, symptomatic, or those needing hospital care — a protection rate equal to those with an AstraZeneca and mRNA vaccine combination.
For people who received two doses of AstraZeneca, the research suggests a slightly lower level of protection from infection — but one that is still remarkably high at 82 per cent.
The research showed that protection against COVID-19 infection from two doses of the Pfizer vaccine rose dramatically when the first and second shots were spread out. (Darryl Dyck/The Canadian Press)
De Serres says the National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) and the Quebec Immunization Committee (CIQ) are looking at whether additional doses may be needed for that group, but says it's "not as pressing" given the strong protection from hospitalization.
"For the time being, just stay put. If there is a recommendation for you to get an additional RNA dose you'll know in time," De Serres said. "But feel that what you've got is still a very good regimen to protect you against what we fear most — which is severe COVID-19."
The NACI recommendation in March to delay second doses of all three COVID-19 vaccines by up to four months was not without controversy at the time, and no doubt led to confusion among many Canadians about whether they were adequately protected.
Canada's Chief Science Adviser Mona Nemer said in early March that the strategy amounted to a "population level experiment," while at the same time health officials tried to reassure the public that the approach was safe and effective.
Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona who was not involved in the study, says the results are "very encouraging" and provide evidence of "improved real world protection" from delaying second doses.
But he admits even he was initially skeptical.
"I was uneasy about it in large part because I just wasn't sure how well the protection would hold up in the interim," he said. "Obviously it turned out well … but it was risky, and that gamble paid off."
Bhattacharya says the Canadian data now provides real world evidence that vaccinated people produce more antibodies if their second shot is delayed, and the quality of those antibodies may actually improve — which could explain the better protection against delta.
"What I'm really wondering now going forward is whether the recommendations are going to fundamentally change as to when we should get that second shot," he said, referring to other countries around the world. "I wish I'd gotten mine later now in retrospect."
Keeping 'eye on the prize' means avoiding hospitalization
The data also has implications on whether average Canadians need booster shots, particularly given that emerging real world data in other countries like the U.S., Israel and Qatar show evidence of waning immunity that has prompted the rollout of third doses.But experts caution that while countries reporting diminished vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection may be making headlines, the more important factor is that the studies largely show the vaccines have prolonged protection against severe COVID-19 — meaning hospitalization and death.
"We really should keep our eyes on the prize, which is preserving healthcare system capacity and preventing unnecessary suffering," said Skowronski. "We're not going to prevent every case of COVID-19. Our goal was never to prevent the sniffles. Our goal was to prevent serious outcomes."
Still, the B.C. and Quebec data showed "no signs" of waning immunity in the general population four months after the second mRNA dose and strong protection against infection of more than 80 to 90 per cent maintained. The analysis doesn't go beyond five months, but the researchers will continue monitoring vaccine effectiveness.
"We should be reassured that our vaccine effectiveness from this calculation, from what I've seen, will be robust with its protection," said Alyson Kelvin, an assistant professor at Dalhousie University and virologist at the Canadian Center for Vaccinology and the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization in Saskatoon who was not involved in the research.
"We must continue to have public health measures in place as well as expect at some point we might need a booster, but data like this will inform when we do and right now it's suggesting that we don't need it yet — but we have to keep vigilant."
WATCH | Canada recommends COVID-19 booster shots for long-term care residents:
NACI recommends COVID-19 booster shots for seniors in long-term care
11 days ago1:58
Amid a global debate over COVID-19 vaccine boosters, the National Advisory Committee on Immunization is recommending third doses for Canada’s most vulnerable, especially seniors in long-term care homes. 1:58
Skowronski says that while she supports giving long-term care residents and immunocompromised people third doses of COVID-19 vaccines to increase their protection based on emerging data, including from Canada, there isn't enough evidence yet for average Canadians.
Until then, she says Canadians should feel well protected against severe outcomes from COVID-19 in the delta-driven fourth wave if they're fully vaccinated with any of the approved vaccine combinations in Canada.
"We're going to have to learn to live with SARS-CoV-2, including in it's very many future iterations," she said.
"But so long as we can prevent severe outcomes and maintain healthcare system capacity, we can come to a kind of a mutual understanding with this virus."
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Even the acronym PAP is contradicting itself. It's more like Party Abuses Power instead of People's Action Party.
Even the acronym PAP is contradicting itself. It's more like Party Abuses Power instead of People's Action Party.
Not pivot? Ok, please tell me what is it in this article that stands out for you - The recommendation that everyone wears a mask or about high viral loads in the vaccinated and unvaccinated?
The farker purposely chose to highlight the part where it talks about viral loads being same in vaccinated and unvaccinated people just so to suit his narrative that there is no difference between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. This is what I mean about this kind of "editing". He's done this many times before.
You will see more of this kind of "clever" highlighting to suit his narrative in his coming posts. Just watch.
I see what you mean.
You have a point there about the editing and choosing what to include and what to omit. But he did not adulterate the content from CDC.
For me the message from CDC on 27 July 2021 was to ask Americans to mask up (and should have also included recommending physical distancing) and explain why - and that's because the vaxxed and unvaxxed both can carry the virus and spread it to anyone vaxxed or unvaxxed.
Does omitting the recommendation to mask up change the CDC explanation of the non-difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed carrying the virus?
I was wrong previously when I said that vaccines made the spread of covid worse. It did not. At least not in the Singapore context because the masking rule was never relaxed. Delta was going to spread anyway and it did. This is for Singapore.
Now in Alberta the govt decided to relax ALL measures. ALL. No masks. No distancing nothing. They announced this in July. Their justification was vaccines. If enough vaxxed we get herd immunity. In the AB context this made things worse.
It is messy now because frankly there are too many thinga we dont know before we encounter them. We are in unchartered territory and this is to be expected.
You sail into unchartered unmapped waters and seas sure have to be more cautious and expect hitting things you didnt know were there.
So far touch wood no news of new variants which is good. I really hope no more variants!
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